basic mafia [END]

[NotAnAxehole]

...

My god Axe.

How tf.

Limited time reading, even less time re-reading.

[EnderWiggin]

I think I'm ready to turbo these and see what happens:

Dizzy
Ender
Finger

If it's all town, then I'd probably follow that up with something like Mac, Alison, Nanook... IDK (at that point I'm probably losing)

If there's mafia in the first 3 I have 2 different names I'd go after.

Alright, Axe. Get the fuck out of your tunnel.

Alison literally just said it was the best time to flip Dizzy/Alison and then hasn't voted in Dizzy/Alison.

Why is Fingers/Me a possible scumteam when I've been walking her through not voting herself in thread? I can accept you scumreading me but there's no way I'd walk through that in thread. It's painful enough already.

Why is fingers scum who selfvoted?

You're supposed to be good at this, show me.

[EnderWiggin]

...

My god Axe.

How tf.

Limited time reading, even less time re-reading.

That's fair.

So you admit your reads are based off little work?

[EnderWiggin]

@NotAnAxehole

If you read nothing else, go re-read my stream-of-consciousness solve work on 38.

I don't require you to agree with me, but read it.

[EnderWiggin]

That's page 38 btw.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think I'm ready to turbo these and see what happens:

Dizzy
Ender
Finger

If it's all town, then I'd probably follow that up with something like Mac, Alison, Nanook... IDK (at that point I'm probably losing)

If there's mafia in the first 3 I have 2 different names I'd go after.

Alright, Axe. Get the fuck out of your tunnel.

Alison literally just said it was the best time to flip Dizzy/Alison and then hasn't voted in Dizzy/Alison.

Why is Fingers/Me a possible scumteam when I've been walking her through not voting herself in thread? I can accept you scumreading me but there's no way I'd walk through that in thread. It's painful enough already.

Why is fingers scum who selfvoted?

You're supposed to be good at this, show me.

I didn't read that interaction.

I already said this, but I don't see the point in trying to figure out a game where people don't vote on wagons.

[NotAnAxehole]

Vote logic seems to indicate TSP is mafia, and he hasn't exactly done anything. TSP/Mac is certainly possible from the limited amount I remember about that PBPA stretch

[NotAnAxehole]

You know what, I think Ender wants to win this game more than anyone else here, so I'll sheep him.

[EnderWiggin]

I could see that, sure.

[NotAnAxehole]

I could see that, sure.

I don't think Mac can be with Alison because he effectively killed her on D2, mod just didn't catch my vote.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You know what, I think Ender wants to win this game more than anyone else here, so I'll sheep him.

You could say that if he's mafia the game is unwinnable

[NotAnAxehole]

You know what, I think Ender wants to win this game more than anyone else here, so I'll sheep him.

You could say that if he's mafia the game is unwinnable

If he's mafia, I entirely believe the game is unwinnable.

[EnderWiggin]

I could see that, sure.

I don't think Mac can be with Alison because he effectively killed her on D2, mod just didn't catch my vote.

Wait, seriously?

Huh.

I know that if Alison flips green I can probably green Mac too.

[NotAnAxehole]

Hey, if you can't beat em..

[NotAnAxehole]

I could see that, sure.

I don't think Mac can be with Alison because he effectively killed her on D2, mod just didn't catch my vote.

Wait, seriously?

Huh.

I know that if Alison flips green I can probably green Mac too.

I mean, I switched to the Ender wagon yesterday at EOD, and switched back when I realized the wagon had already died.

[NotAnAxehole]

idk how the poll works, I assume you can hammer someone, unvote and pretend like nothing happened? LOL (of course there are no hammers in this game)

[NotAnAxehole]

@EnderWiggin how do you feel about being a triple voter?

[NotAnAxehole]

It's a pretty powerful role, even in non-mountainous set ups :P

[EnderWiggin]

Pretty weird tbh.

It does feel good to have two of my non-POE actually working with me.

[Alison]

I think I'm ready to turbo these and see what happens:

Dizzy
Ender
Finger

If it's all town, then I'd probably follow that up with something like Mac, Alison, Nanook... IDK (at that point I'm probably losing)

If there's mafia in the first 3 I have 2 different names I'd go after.

Let's do Dizzy then.

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

Pretty weird tbh.

It does feel good to have two of my non-POE actually working with me.

Consider it to be working against people who won't vote you, not so much working with you

[EnderWiggin]

Pretty weird tbh.

It does feel good to have two of my non-POE actually working with me.

Consider it to be working against people who won't vote you, not so much working with you

However you flavour it, I'll take it.

[EnderWiggin]

@falcon45ca

Vote between Alison/Dizzy. Alison preferred but I'm not dictating votes. I'm just actually organising this fucking cross.

@Luckbox Inc
@MacDougall
@TonyStarkPrime
@fingersplints

All of you as well.

[fingersplints]

vote dizzy

[Luckbox Inc]

I'm awake. Still making coffee and need to process that Dizzy wall of text post.

Alison still a villager though.

[Luckbox Inc]

Need to cut one person from here to make a 6 person POE. I'm thinking between Luckbox and Axe. The argument that Luckbox is miscleared is that they kinda dipped recently and hasn't been influencing the thread a bunch even though I remember them being fairly active as town.

I've discovered a wonderful game since this thread started called open-faced Chinese Deuce Pineapple that I'm now addicted to and gambling for bitcoin. This thread isn't the same.

[Luckbox Inc]

The Dizzy wall of text post does not read like some sort of insanely villagery stream-of-consciousness wall-of-text that should be clearing.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I see we are back to doing this

[TonyStarkPrime]

If we’re scumreading people for having bad reads NAA is also doing quite well

[TonyStarkPrime]

Splints do you have anything to say about dizzy/Alison today or are you just gonna drop a vote with no comment

[Luckbox Inc]

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

[fingersplints]

Splints do you have anything to say about dizzy/Alison today or are you just gonna drop a vote with no comment

I didn’t just drop a vote with no comment.

[Luckbox Inc]

I looked over Dizzy's iso in Cognitive psychology (and Space Invaders before that)-- and it's subtle but Dizzy feels more villagery in those games, and seems to do more probing and game-solving than what we've seen here. I'm going to keep on reading and comparing because I'm not positive, but in Cog Psych, Dizzy seems to really make an effort to figure out Alison's role, does vote her even at one point. Here in this game Dizzy is much more sure on Alison early, then backtracks on that and has seemingly backtracked on the backtrack.

I'm not positive but it feels right. Still need to keep reading the other games.

[fingersplints]

Tsp you should read the last few pages of posts. There is a lengthy discussion of resolving dizzy/Alison during which I discuss with EnderWiggin that I will switch to someone who is not me.

I feel like you are reaching pretty hard to paint every thing I do in a bad light now. Why would I have kept my vote on myself and not vote for someone else if I could be saved?

[NotAnAxehole]

Something... Something... Something... DaughterOfOmega.

Is Dizzy just confirmed town?

[Luckbox Inc]

I didn't pay much attention to the last time I saw fingers as town (I had a n0 green check on her) but I'm pretty sure she's just hedgy like that as a person, its just how she speaks.

I didn't feel like I had any trouble finding Fingers villagery in that game.

But that intro post here definitely pings me pretty hard-- it's just one of those classically wolfy posts.

I find that people more often have problems with how I post (“hedgy” as nanook says) especially early, but I usually seem to make it pretty obvious I’m town within the first few days.

I'm worried that it never became obvious.

[Alison]

I'm out right now but I've changed my mind and now think you should turbo Axe if Dizzy flips scum

He has been Dizzysiding way too hard for absolutely no reason

[Luckbox Inc]

I'm fine voting for Dizzy with Fingers and don't think it means that they can't be w/w, fwiw.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm out right now but I've changed my mind and now think you should turbo Axe if Dizzy flips scum

He has been Dizzysiding way too hard for absolutely no reason

Occam's Razor says if you tunnel 2 people with exactly the same wagon, you can probably expect a similar result.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Something... Something... Something... DaughterOfOmega.

Is Dizzy just confirmed town?

Heh

Yeah probably

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm not gonna be around from like 4ish onward, so would be good if wagons were stable from that point on

[Alison]

I'm out right now but I've changed my mind and now think you should turbo Axe if Dizzy flips scum

He has been Dizzysiding way too hard for absolutely no reason

Occam's Razor says if you tunnel 2 people with exactly the same wagon, you can probably expect a similar result.

I don't think this is true

[Alison]

In fact I'm struggling to understand what kind of logic would possibly make it true unless you believe that players always receive the same results on the wagons they push

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm out right now but I've changed my mind and now think you should turbo Axe if Dizzy flips scum

He has been Dizzysiding way too hard for absolutely no reason

Occam's Razor says if you tunnel 2 people with exactly the same wagon, you can probably expect a similar result.

I don't think this is true

Does it happen often that you kill town in a near-majority, then kill scum with the same group of people in a split vote where the other option was town?

LUL

[NotAnAxehole]

No, Occam's razor only counts when it benefits Alison's scum game.

[fingersplints]

I didn't pay much attention to the last time I saw fingers as town (I had a n0 green check on her) but I'm pretty sure she's just hedgy like that as a person, its just how she speaks.

I didn't feel like I had any trouble finding Fingers villagery in that game.

But that intro post here definitely pings me pretty hard-- it's just one of those classically wolfy posts.

I find that people more often have problems with how I post (“hedgy” as nanook says) especially early, but I usually seem to make it pretty obvious I’m town within the first few days.

I'm worried that it never became obvious.

I’ve given up this game. Sorry

[fingersplints]

I didn't pay much attention to the last time I saw fingers as town (I had a n0 green check on her) but I'm pretty sure she's just hedgy like that as a person, its just how she speaks.

I didn't feel like I had any trouble finding Fingers villagery in that game.

But that intro post here definitely pings me pretty hard-- it's just one of those classically wolfy posts.

I find that people more often have problems with how I post (“hedgy” as nanook says) especially early, but I usually seem to make it pretty obvious I’m town within the first few days.

I'm worried that it never became obvious.

I’ve given up this game. Sorry

@Luckbox Inc Shouldnt probably say given up. I’ll keep trying some as long as I’m alive. But my effort is significantly less this game.

[NotAnAxehole]

I didn't pay much attention to the last time I saw fingers as town (I had a n0 green check on her) but I'm pretty sure she's just hedgy like that as a person, its just how she speaks.

I didn't feel like I had any trouble finding Fingers villagery in that game.

But that intro post here definitely pings me pretty hard-- it's just one of those classically wolfy posts.

I find that people more often have problems with how I post (“hedgy” as nanook says) especially early, but I usually seem to make it pretty obvious I’m town within the first few days.

I'm worried that it never became obvious.

I’ve given up this game. Sorry

@Luckbox Inc Shouldnt probably say given up. I’ll keep trying some as long as I’m alive. But my effort is significantly less this game.

Was that not the case since the thread opened on D1?

[fingersplints]

I didn't pay much attention to the last time I saw fingers as town (I had a n0 green check on her) but I'm pretty sure she's just hedgy like that as a person, its just how she speaks.

I didn't feel like I had any trouble finding Fingers villagery in that game.

But that intro post here definitely pings me pretty hard-- it's just one of those classically wolfy posts.

I find that people more often have problems with how I post (“hedgy” as nanook says) especially early, but I usually seem to make it pretty obvious I’m town within the first few days.

I'm worried that it never became obvious.

I’ve given up this game. Sorry

@Luckbox Inc Shouldnt probably say given up. I’ll keep trying some as long as I’m alive. But my effort is significantly less this game.

Was that not the case since the thread opened on D1?

No, I had every intention of getting more into this game when it opened.

I’m not one who can come up with strong suspicions day 1. Something I have remarked upon regularly in previous games that I find impressive those who can. But I would usually have my head more into the game by now.

Early thread bickering making it less enjoyable to read plus some personal struggle to invest and form solid suspicions have made this not a strong game for me.

[Luckbox Inc]

What is a Dizzy wolf game I can look for?