Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[Creature]

What now?

[MacDougall]

I see HK has as TR my top SR

mansnicks, honey, lime are the ones that are sticking out to me as scum. Mostly not caring though b/c finding town is better

All right, thank you!
Who are your strongest town reads right now?

me
mac
alison
dolby
ender

all right! Thank you!

Gnomey what reads do you have?

These are the people who come across as town to me, based on their tone. I like how they communicate and how they are pushing to solve. : Alison, Dolby, lime coke, triplehaven, and honey.

I usually struggle with scum reads on D1, and this game is no exception.

What are you thinking right now?

In short i have

Mansnicks
Mac
HK
For top TRs

Creature
Ender
For top SRs

And you're probably town ig ^^

There is no jusitiable progression for her to have HK here as top town. Michelle is also a tunneler as town. She initially only changes her read to HK town because of Alison and doesn't even have Alison as a top town here She also randomly cited that HK is tr her top sr and did nothing with it except make a googly eye smiley.

[MacDougall]

Spoiler: show

I rescind that read. I forgot he actually fooled me in Bee Mafia with a bus on BK that looked like he was trying to CFD a townie.

Still think they don't look particularly partnered.

How do you know Falcon is an "idiot" (presumably misguided town) as opposed to a wolf looking for an easy misexe on you LC?

his vote on me was so bad and i will have trouble ever moving past it now

hollowkatt making votes that tilt ppl is towny

True.

MacDougall enters the thread, says "Alison is locktown", and proceeds to hard align with me on reads, especially on the reads I feel most strongly about (LC scum, mansnicks town). If he is scum he is almost certainly bussing here and targeting me specifically with the pocket. If he is town then us aligning on reads means we're probably just correct. Example of this happening are: Radiohead, Fargo, PercyKate Crossover, the list goes on.

Either way you should sheep us on LC.

Seanzie
tsp
honey
Alison
th
hk

these are all town. get on this wavelength.

Yuck

Tho I agree with honey. Shes lookin pretty good in terms of vibe.

The other ones are too sure. You best take off your fur coat

I really dislike this post. You've played with Mac before, you know this is how he operates. It's strange to accuse Mac of being too confident in his early reads for forming a towncore, and it reeks of being upset that he's clearing too many people.

hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Does Dolby have a habit of opening games with giant walls of text?

Also doing this for now to make him appear

[VOTE: CerealLord] aubergine

You have five posts in the game, haven't caught up or talked to anyone yet, but you're already pressuring inactives so they'll show up?

hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

I've never seen Ender wolf but based on what I know of his personality and town play I am inclined to think he would be a powerwolf who openly defended teammates and attacked townies if he randed wolf.

I agree that it reeks- I don’t usually like when people come out blessing more people than the pope. Which is why I am more sus of, say, Triple. Mac’s gonna Mac on d1, that’s a given.

That's what Mac does in many games though. It's not super AI for him.

Speaking of blessings. Who's your top townread and why?

Yea I don’t suspect him in a large capacity because I agree that he does this every d1. But I’m not calling him town for it.

Top townread? Probably honey- not because of the content of her posts, but the content of her character.

Hollowkatt seems to be a town voice.

Your townreads are just bullshit dude.

Guess what comes next?

You guessed it!

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Your townreads are just bullshit dude.

They usually are on D1. Have you played with me before?

Maybe she just has a good read on LC and Ender has tmi. That was what gave me pause on just going with Ender and LC w/w. Certainly not all three wolves right?

Maybe she just has a good read on LC and Ender has tmi. That was what gave me pause on just going with Ender and LC w/w. Certainly not all three wolves right?

You're right that they probably aren't all wolves. Very few wolf teams have the cojones to play like that while under fire and Ender/honey/LC is not one of them. (No offense meant.)

Not sure who the most likely town in those three would be. Probably Ender is the towniest individually.

Does Dolby have a habit of opening games with giant walls of text?

Yes.

I think Ender would have LC wolfy if he was town. I have no evidence to back it up. I just feel like he and I see the same sort of things.

hard to say, i think Lime has potential to be spewed town here by Ender tbh

Talk to me about this? I think they look compatible as partners if anything.

Possible also. I feel like it's a little on the nose though.

I've never seen Ender wolf but based on what I know of his personality and town play I am inclined to think he would be a powerwolf who openly defended teammates and attacked townies if he randed wolf.

Lmao. I'd like to say you're wrong but I have done that. I have a famous bus game back in the old days tho.

I think Ender would have LC wolfy if he was town. I have no evidence to back it up. I just feel like he and I see the same sort of things.

I mean previous encounter was w/t in ATLA but we do have some similar views.

That being said we also disagree on a few reads I think. Also I think LC's aggressive response to Alison comes more town than not.

Now unless Guillo changed the rules from the signups to this thread,

Minimum Posts: 10 posts within the first 24 hours of every day phase.

We about to have some shit go down in 2 hours if the following people don’t post more:
-Creature
-Listo
-osie
-lost monkey
-garden gnome
-cereal

Hi, I'm here. Was having serious issues reading the computer screen last night. I was seeing everything double. That was not conducive to reading a mafia game. So I stopped and went to sleep. Here I am now. I'm going to try to comment on posts and to share a few impressions. I'm kind of behind so please bear with me.

I can't sleep so i collected few more posts while reading

@Michelle @Creature @Scotty why are you voting Ender?
Sell me on what he's done that's wolfy because I've got him as a town read

I remember i disliked all his posts until the moment i voted
It was a gut take and it felt right to start a wagon there
After my vote Creature voted Ender as well.
If Creature is wolf like i suspect, he is bussing.

Can you explain your read?
Also why do you think if me and Seanzie may have a wolf, it's me? Don't you know how to read me?

Similar treatment of ender Puts her vote there but has zero desire to keep it there. Immediately sussed creature for voting with her like wtf

[Flea the Magician]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

*ahem*

FAE/FAER/THEY/THEM

Thank you.

[MacDougall]

About day 1 wagons, the silence around them is concerning, if Scotty is wolf his mates are sleeping without much care.
I would say we can't hit a wolf (probably) by voting the top wagons, but being very early in the morning in US this is a weaker take than usual.

I can bet its at least one wolf in the no voters

pushing against the top wagons

[Flea the Magician]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

flea literally just gave you his vote

[MacDougall]

reading Mansnicks Iso, it's rather empty and I want to keep his wagon up.
My TR on him existed rather because of the vibe and impression of him being contributive, but he was asking left and right things without following them up afterwards

Something on last Ender posts makes me to want him alive at this Eod

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

[TripleHaven]

I invite everyone to read Garden Gnome’s ISO in a vaccuum.

I don’t know how they usually play, but besides not mentioning Michele until just now when someone questions if it was fake, they only ask questions of other people’s town reads and have nothing of substance to add in D1 and very affable and friendly, but devoid of solving.

No connection to Michele, so I have other targets but im scumleaning Gnome right now

She typically asks a lot of questions as either alignment. The post you quoted about michelles read on gnome honestly sounded like pocketing her. I don't like how unexplained the mansnick vote was, feels like a cop out, and I agree that there's not much substance. I find gnome pretty easy to read so it'll probably just come to me if i interact with her.

[MacDougall]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

flea literally just gave you his vote

that isn't visible on phone so I was just imagining you as the red hot chili peppers bassplayer

[honey]

mac have u caught up to today and read the last 2 pages?

[MacDougall]

I'll collect my thoughts later but wagonomics AND Michelle iso both make me sus of HK and Ender.

[TripleHaven]

i still dont understand why we killed mansnick that was dumb

[honey]

I can't read everything since day start right now but why did falcon die? weren't they a wagon on d1? I expected one of me alison or mac to die since they were tred as 'town leaders' and i was tred for being adorable and i've been thinking about the implications accordingly

Also did not expect everyone to bw mansnicks after i voted him i @'d him to come talk but ngl even i had woken up in time he didnt put up a passionate enough defense to probably make me change my mind i just think it's very sus how there were 3 different top wagons other than mans, i vote mansnicks and then within a 9 hour period he becomes overwhelmingly the top wagon

Also something bad happened to me last night if anyone knows anything about that .. come forward or else

Did it trigger?

nope but i didnt know you could do what u did so i thought it was a role action X )

[honey]

i still dont understand why we killed mansnick that was dumb

i literally voted him to put pressure on his slot so he would come post and then i wake up and he was dead with like 7 votes on him..

[MacDougall]

mac have u caught up to today and read the last 2 pages?

Yep I know he has a red check but I also know the kind of game we are playing so I am putting far less stock in mech.

For instance I got someone else's sanity check (sane btw whoever did that). If someone has a cop check that they have to send to someone and sent a red check to HK then he has to out it this way.

Thats just one way.

More important is that Michelle spew and wagonomics both make him and Ender scummy.

[Flea the Magician]

You've got Michelle wolf voting for mansnicks over a potential mischop of ender or HK to look at also. Like if the wolves had a choice there why not just mischop a strong player?

the obvs answer is they keep me around to push again today. Look at the weak sauce pushes from Flea continuing the read he fleshed out in conversation with Michelle yesterday

flea literally just gave you his vote

that isn't visible on phone so I was just imagining you as the red hot chili peppers bassplayer

Thats my Brother, Flea the Bassist.

[MacDougall]

i still dont understand why we killed mansnick that was dumb

the wolves killed mansnick to save one or both of hk and ender.

[TripleHaven]

I can't read everything since day start right now but why did falcon die? weren't they a wagon on d1? I expected one of me alison or mac to die since they were tred as 'town leaders' and i was tred for being adorable and i've been thinking about the implications accordingly

Also did not expect everyone to bw mansnicks after i voted him i @'d him to come talk but ngl even i had woken up in time he didnt put up a passionate enough defense to probably make me change my mind i just think it's very sus how there were 3 different top wagons other than mans, i vote mansnicks and then within a 9 hour period he becomes overwhelmingly the top wagon

Also something bad happened to me last night if anyone knows anything about that .. come forward or else

Did it trigger?

nope but i didnt know you could do what u did so i thought it was a role action X )

It wasn't me who moved it, if it helps

I think it's almost definently a mafia action. It doesn't seem townsided at all, and some mafia things might not be compatible with town things.

[honey]

i found myself nodding along to your analysis but it matched some of mine and listo's that already took place so i was tryingto figure out if you were just doing it and more of it for towncred since we already talked about wagonomics in the last 2 pages

[hollowkatt]

hey mac, since you never answered in wolf chat, how long do I have to fake this red check on TSP to look townie before I rescind?

[honey]

I can't read everything since day start right now but why did falcon die? weren't they a wagon on d1? I expected one of me alison or mac to die since they were tred as 'town leaders' and i was tred for being adorable and i've been thinking about the implications accordingly

Also did not expect everyone to bw mansnicks after i voted him i @'d him to come talk but ngl even i had woken up in time he didnt put up a passionate enough defense to probably make me change my mind i just think it's very sus how there were 3 different top wagons other than mans, i vote mansnicks and then within a 9 hour period he becomes overwhelmingly the top wagon

Also something bad happened to me last night if anyone knows anything about that .. come forward or else

Did it trigger?

nope but i didnt know you could do what u did so i thought it was a role action X )

It wasn't me who moved it, if it helps

I think it's almost definently a mafia action. It doesn't seem townsided at all, and some mafia things might not be compatible with town things.

uhhh it's literally in the rules?

[MacDougall]

I was targeted by at least 4 abilities last night. One of which was definitely mafia.

[honey]

pretty sure it was you who had to move it th based on what i read O__o

[MacDougall]

hey mac, since you never answered in wolf chat, how long do I have to fake this red check on TSP to look townie before I rescind?

thanks for confirming you're a wolf

[honey]

I was targeted by at least 4 abilities last night. One of which was definitely mafia.

brag more

[MacDougall]

I was targeted by at least 4 abilities last night. One of which was definitely mafia.

brag more

I am not bragging I am giving town information. If someone watched me this will help.

[TripleHaven]

I can't read everything since day start right now but why did falcon die? weren't they a wagon on d1? I expected one of me alison or mac to die since they were tred as 'town leaders' and i was tred for being adorable and i've been thinking about the implications accordingly

Also did not expect everyone to bw mansnicks after i voted him i @'d him to come talk but ngl even i had woken up in time he didnt put up a passionate enough defense to probably make me change my mind i just think it's very sus how there were 3 different top wagons other than mans, i vote mansnicks and then within a 9 hour period he becomes overwhelmingly the top wagon

Also something bad happened to me last night if anyone knows anything about that .. come forward or else

Did it trigger?

nope but i didnt know you could do what u did so i thought it was a role action X )

It wasn't me who moved it, if it helps

I think it's almost definently a mafia action. It doesn't seem townsided at all, and some mafia things might not be compatible with town things.

uhhh it's literally in the rules?

oh lol

[honey]

wait i read more of the rules again, TH can you confirm you did not do that last night?

[MacDougall]

@Seanzie HK rescinded and is now openwolfing you're welcome.

[TripleHaven]

wait i read more of the rules again, TH can you confirm you did not do that last night?

No, i didn't do that. I also didn't submit a name, so it might've randomized on you?

[honey]

idk how i feel about hk rescinding bc i really wanted to see tsp put up a passionate defense
i dont think the fake? redcheck is that wolfie so imma start with ender
[VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine

[MacDougall]

idk how i feel about hk rescinding bc i really wanted to see tsp put up a passionate defense
i dont think the fake? redcheck is that wolfie so imma start with ender
[VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine

he is outed mafia

[honey]

wait i read more of the rules again, TH can you confirm you did not do that last night?

No, i didn't do that. I also didn't submit a name, so it might've randomized on you?

does it randomize? it says wolves have a diff process so maybe it was done by wolves

mine is so cute isn't it though

[Seanzie]

Vote count 1 hour before EoD:

Vote count 30 minutes before EoD:

EoD vote count:

So between 1 hour and 30 minutes before EoD
Ender votes Mansnicks
Creature votes Mansnicks
Michelle votes Mansnicks

This moves Ender down to 3 votes and Mansnicks up to 7, with at least one wolf moving.

Then in the last half hour, (not sure about the order here):
Creature moves to Scotty? wtf?
Lime Coke and Dolby move to Mansnicks.

If we look at the people voting for HK: Falcon, me, TripleHaven, and the top wagon. This is not a wagon that would scare wolves in this situation.

If we look at people voting for Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, and originally creature, but eventually flea. This is a much scarier wagon for wolves unless if some of these people are wolves.

If the pile onto Mansnicks was a wolf pile on, then I think it is more likely a save of Ender, not HK. I also don't know wtf Creature was doing here, moving to the main wagon just to jump to a vanity wagon at the end? wtf?

[honey]

idk how i feel about hk rescinding bc i really wanted to see tsp put up a passionate defense
i dont think the fake? redcheck is that wolfie so imma start with ender
[VOTE: enderwiggin] aubergine

he is outed mafia

lol we have different definitions of outted

[MacDougall]

Towny counterwagon check
Wolf spew check
Mafia pushed lhf cw check
Scummy retraction of a red check check

Scum all the way down.

[MacDougall]

Vote count 1 hour before EoD:

Vote count 30 minutes before EoD:

EoD vote count:

So between 1 hour and 30 minutes before EoD
Ender votes Mansnicks
Creature votes Mansnicks
Michelle votes Mansnicks

This moves Ender down to 3 votes and Mansnicks up to 7, with at least one wolf moving.

Then in the last half hour, (not sure about the order here):
Creature moves to Scotty? wtf?
Lime Coke and Dolby move to Mansnicks.

If we look at the people voting for HK: Falcon, me, TripleHaven, and the top wagon. This is not a wagon that would scare wolves in this situation.

If we look at people voting for Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, and originally creature, but eventually flea. This is a much scarier wagon for wolves unless if some of these people are wolves.

If the pile onto Mansnicks was a wolf pile on, then I think it is more likely a save of Ender, not HK. I also don't know wtf Creature was doing here, moving to the main wagon just to jump to a vanity wagon at the end? wtf?

it's both imo

[honey]

yea but mac i'm finding it hard to see a wolf pull a fake redcheck in the first place given the gamestate

the changing of lead wagon from ender to mans was scummier anyways

[MacDougall]

yea but mac i'm finding it hard to see a wolf pull a fake redcheck in the first place given the gamestate

the changing of lead wagon from ender to mans was scummier anyways

He was always retracting. It was just nothingburger posturing scum 101. I have faked and retracted reds many times. In a bastard game even more so.

[TripleHaven]

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

I have >rand confidence this is wolf

I am also willing to vote a counterwagon if we want to resolve one, I just dont really have a read on ender & am starting to doubt myself on hk

[Seanzie]

That fake red was really weaksauce. Like, HK, what did you gain from it? Why did you rescind?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

I have >rand confidence this is wolf

I am also willing to vote a counterwagon if we want to resolve one, I just dont really have a read on ender & am starting to doubt myself on hk

What do you think of Scotty?

[TripleHaven]

maybe (hopefully, for my ego) i was right about hk

[honey]

hollowkatt if youre wolf imma feel reall silly for being so generous here
also i thought ya'll said hollow was in their town meta??

[MacDougall]

That fake red was really weaksauce. Like, HK, what did you gain from it? Why did you rescind?

He rescinded very predictably from my perspective.

[Guillotine]

A Shot Rings! Nobody knows who shot who, but no one died.

Strange... very strange.

[Seanzie]

What if Wolf!HK faked a red on TSP to distract from Wolf!Scotty on trial?

[MacDougall]

I fired at HK.

[MacDougall]

aight you've had enough mac see ya later

[honey]

owo i had a gun in another game as uninformed traitor that would only shoot and kill town if i shot wolf nothing would happen