Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[Creature]

I doubt I'll be able to post anything tomorrow, so maybe I'll have to do everything today.

[Creature]

Yeah resolving d1 is correct here, I agree with everything people have said about it

i'm unyeetable today btw

[Guillotine]

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[Alison]

@Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Probably GG. "We need that town voice" is kinda stilted and hints that GG has been thinking a lot about my "town voice" and how I might influence the rest of the thread, which is not great since I got kidnapped yesterday. I'm not really feeling pockety pings from the other three people who thanked me for being back. Maybe Scotty if I reached, but he seems to be townsiding today so I don't care. I have a pretty strong townread on LoMo.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Insanifiers might be my least favorite mechanic

[Alison]

So Mac has been effectively silenced.

[Alison]

I briefly wondered if he was pulling a Stardew Valley but this is an extremely weird time to go about doing this if he is mafia and TH seems to confirm that the flavor and mechanic matches with previous Guillo roles.

[Scotty]

@Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Probably GG. "We need that town voice" is kinda stilted and hints that GG has been thinking a lot about my "town voice" and how I might influence the rest of the thread, which is not great since I got kidnapped yesterday. I'm not really feeling pockety pings from the other three people who thanked me for being back. Maybe Scotty if I reached, but he seems to be townsiding today so I don't care. I have a pretty strong townread on LoMo.

What did you think of my siding yesterday, btw? HBent heard a lot of your opinion of me

[Creature]

So Mac has been effectively silenced.

Oh that explains it

[Scotty]

Haven’t*

[Alison]

Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean if he were doing the tim thing he'd pick a funnier way to do it and I doubt he'd start mid day

[Creature]

Thought Garden Gnome was supposed to be easy to read. She has like 90-something posts while she was pretty underwhelming in Shakespeare mafia.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thought Garden Gnome was supposed to be easy to read. She has like 90-something posts while she was pretty underwhelming in Shakespeare mafia.

Whoever told you that is a liar

[Scotty]

I briefly wondered if he was pulling a Stardew Valley but this is an extremely weird time to go about doing this if he is mafia and TH seems to confirm that the flavor and mechanic matches with previous Guillo roles.

Forgive me for asking but what hijinx in SV are you referencing? Didn’t catch that one

[Alison]

@Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Probably GG. "We need that town voice" is kinda stilted and hints that GG has been thinking a lot about my "town voice" and how I might influence the rest of the thread, which is not great since I got kidnapped yesterday. I'm not really feeling pockety pings from the other three people who thanked me for being back. Maybe Scotty if I reached, but he seems to be townsiding today so I don't care. I have a pretty strong townread on LoMo.

What did you think of my siding yesterday, btw? HBent heard a lot of your opinion of me

I liked your Ender push. I don't like how the person who was hard tunnelling you died the next night. However I do not think you can be teamed with Ender (or if you are I'm not going to crack it until later) so I am sort of sidelining you until I flip Ender.

[Creature]

Thought Garden Gnome was supposed to be easy to read. She has like 90-something posts while she was pretty underwhelming in Shakespeare mafia.

Whoever told you that is a liar

Garden Gnome isn't easy to read?

[Alison]

I briefly wondered if he was pulling a Stardew Valley but this is an extremely weird time to go about doing this if he is mafia and TH seems to confirm that the flavor and mechanic matches with previous Guillo roles.

Forgive me for asking but what hijinx in SV are you referencing? Didn’t catch that one

Tim was wolf and pretended he had a post restriction inflicted on him by mafia. In theory Mac could be doing the same but it makes no sense to do it now and like this if he is mafia so I am just going to treat him as confirmed town because the mafia tried to shut him up.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thought Garden Gnome was supposed to be easy to read. She has like 90-something posts while she was pretty underwhelming in Shakespeare mafia.

Whoever told you that is a liar

Garden Gnome isn't easy to read?

She gets miskilled on a pretty regular basis

[Alison]

I have not found Garden Gnome to be easy at all to read.

[Alison]

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

[Scotty]

Garden Gnome is the cartoon section of the Sunday paper: colorful, cheerful, easy to read, but lacking many words that make you remember her content

[Alison]

I think the most plausible theory is that thought he would push an agenda in their favor, but then he started signalling that he would move in another direction and they got cold feet and shut him up before he could go any further.

I'm alright doing Ender today. I think listo is also wolf because he's been like only pushing one single player all game and seems to lack any town process on that push.

As opposed to what you've done which is what exactly?

@Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Either of these two posts are the most likely candidate for making mafia panic. Or possibly both. Which means I am gazing into a POE of Creature (post #1) and Scotty/LoMo/listo/GG (post #2, they were the ones who were saying thank god Alison is back).

Of this POE I would take LoMo off the list fairly easily and I think Scotty should self-resolved based on Ender. That brings the POE down to Creature/listo/GG as likely panicky scum and given that Mac is slamming his vote on GG over and over I am inclined to just sheep him there.

[Lime Coke]

Sorry for the absence. I got a bit mad earlier and needed to step away and get through my work day without being tilted. Honey dying last night is one of the main reasons I'm starting to hate bastard games.

[Scotty]

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

[Alison]

Mac is given a sabotaged gun. I am kidnapped. Mac is trapped in a time loop.

If we assume all of these actions come from mafia then it indicates that mafia is attempting to shut up me and Mac but is unable or unwilling to directly kill us. This means that mafia wants to try to emulate a game where Mac and Alison are "NKed" and taken out of the game as closely as possible. That in turn implies that people who continually attempt to provide support to our voices and sheep or push our reads on our behalf are more likely to be town because they are acting directly counter to the mafia agenda at play here.

In short it makes Flea and Nanook look good.

[Alison]

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

Oh this is a good point, I didn't think about a triggered ability.

[Scotty]

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

Oh this is a good point, I didn't think about a triggered ability.

Again, I think it’s too random of an ability. Too many chances of not firing, if it was a one-shot ability used.

I do think it was targeted at mac, and your delving into the reasoning why is not my strong suit so I’ll sheep your opinion there.

[Lime Coke]

Honey dying might have pointed out to me something that was mentioned earlier. She scumread both Garden Gnome and Scotty, and I feel like if she was killed over certain others that's the reason why and I need to carry out what she was doing before she died.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

[Alison]

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

Oh this is a good point, I didn't think about a triggered ability.

Again, I think it’s too random of an ability. Too many chances of not firing, if it was a one-shot ability used.

I do think it was targeted at mac, and your delving into the reasoning why is not my strong suit so I’ll sheep your opinion there.

Who do you think the mafia are apart from Ender?

[Scotty]

Sorry for the absence. I got a bit mad earlier and needed to step away and get through my work day without being tilted. Honey dying last night is one of the main reasons I'm starting to hate bastard games.

You are excused, my son

Tbh honey dying isn’t out of the realm of what we could expect to transpire. Pretty much everyone viewed her as town except for like mac.

[Lime Coke]

By the way I feel like the mafia most likely have a strongman because Honey was obvious town and should've been a doc target with Alison getting NK immunity, so either the protectives went completely stupid or mafia have a way of getting through the protection.

[Scotty]

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

Oh this is a good point, I didn't think about a triggered ability.

Again, I think it’s too random of an ability. Too many chances of not firing, if it was a one-shot ability used.

I do think it was targeted at mac, and your delving into the reasoning why is not my strong suit so I’ll sheep your opinion there.

Who do you think the mafia are apart from Ender?

I’m coming around on both you and Mac viewing nook town based on explanation of his town meta, so I’ll take him off the table.

GG is a fine second option to ender. Then dolby for my d2 reasoning. Hasn’t changed.
Listo I read as town but would go back and revisit for the POE.
Creature I’m at a town lean, but that could easily switch. He seems to be committed to “putting effort in” today, whatever that means for him. So eh

[Alison]

What's with your Creature town lean? I had him as town early on for bellyaching about the soup kill but he has contributed next to nothing since then and Mac calling him out was one of the last few posts he made before he got silenced so that read has withered.

[Alison]

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

[Lime Coke]

What's with your Creature town lean? I had him as town early on for bellyaching about the soup kill but he has contributed next to nothing since then and Mac calling him out was one of the last few posts he made before he got silenced so that read has withered.

I'm still looking at Creature as scummy he hasn't really gotten any better all game.

[Scotty]

What's with your Creature town lean? I had him as town early on for bellyaching about the soup kill but he has contributed next to nothing since then and Mac calling him out was one of the last few posts he made before he got silenced so that read has withered.

His apathy just came off as town to me. But I can see it either way. He’s a slanker and can get shot down the line if it comes to it. Would like to see more contributions

[Scotty]

What's with your Creature town lean? I had him as town early on for bellyaching about the soup kill but he has contributed next to nothing since then and Mac calling him out was one of the last few posts he made before he got silenced so that read has withered.

His apathy just came off as town to me. But I can see it either way. He’s a slanker and can get shot down the line if it comes to it. Would like to see more contributions

[listo95]

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

Okay so let me get this right. His town meta is to pretty much do nothing and just sheep a strong voice? Where I come from that is literally wolf play. If I'm misunderstanding what you say his meta is then I'm sorry. Also let me just explain my unable to give reasons for cases. It is more being unable to find reasons more being unable to articulate why someone has been wolfy.

Genuinely I feel like he has done almost nothing this entire game except sheep voices and give that confusing start to D2 with Michelle.

[Scotty]

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

His reads early on melded with mine and is the main reason I was tRing him.

Simultaneously, I don’t town read him much for having a constant tunnel on nook. That’s pretty easy to fake as mafia.

[Scotty]

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

Okay so let me get this right. His town meta is to pretty much do nothing and just sheep a strong voice? Where I come from that is literally wolf play. If I'm misunderstanding what you say his meta is then I'm sorry. Also let me just explain my unable to give reasons for cases. It is more being unable to find reasons more being unable to articulate why someone has been wolfy.

Genuinely I feel like he has done almost nothing this entire game except sheep voices and give that confusing start to D2 with Michelle.

I mean you’re right there. That sounds like nanook this game.

If you sheep Alison and Mac’s read of town nook meta, what other reads ya got?

[listo95]

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

Okay so let me get this right. His town meta is to pretty much do nothing and just sheep a strong voice? Where I come from that is literally wolf play. If I'm misunderstanding what you say his meta is then I'm sorry. Also let me just explain my unable to give reasons for cases. It is more being unable to find reasons more being unable to articulate why someone has been wolfy.

Genuinely I feel like he has done almost nothing this entire game except sheep voices and give that confusing start to D2 with Michelle.

I mean you’re right there. That sounds like nanook this game.

If you sheep Alison and Mac’s read of town nook meta, what other reads ya got?

Oh I literally do not sheep that at all. I fully believe Nanook is a wolf. My current other quick reads would be:
Creature - Wolf
Ender - Null (I do agree his spot needs to be resolved to get better D1 reads)
Scotty - Town
Alison - Town
TH - Honestly this does not feel like town TH to me so Wolf Lean

I think as of now those are my strongest reads besides the Nanook wolf.

[Dolby]

Hi I have a gun again

[Dolby]

Actually, calling it a gun is not accurate but if I use it someone will die

[Scotty]

Hi I have a gun again

Oh great . Do you know who else got a gun this round again?

[Dolby]

Hi I have a gun again

Oh great . Do you know who else got a gun this round again?

Not this time.

[Scotty]

Actually, calling it a gun is not accurate but if I use it someone will die

Is it a knife?

[Scotty]

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

Okay so let me get this right. His town meta is to pretty much do nothing and just sheep a strong voice? Where I come from that is literally wolf play. If I'm misunderstanding what you say his meta is then I'm sorry. Also let me just explain my unable to give reasons for cases. It is more being unable to find reasons more being unable to articulate why someone has been wolfy.

Genuinely I feel like he has done almost nothing this entire game except sheep voices and give that confusing start to D2 with Michelle.

I mean you’re right there. That sounds like nanook this game.

If you sheep Alison and Mac’s read of town nook meta, what other reads ya got?

Oh I literally do not sheep that at all. I fully believe Nanook is a wolf. My current other quick reads would be:
Creature - Wolf
Ender - Null (I do agree his spot needs to be resolved to get better D1 reads)
Scotty - Town
Alison - Town
TH - Honestly this does not feel like town TH to me so Wolf Lean

I think as of now those are my strongest reads besides the Nanook wolf.

I don’t feel great about TH in general, but what are you seeing to differentiate town vs mafia TH? I have no context for meta