Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[osieorb18]

The lack of times at which I can be online makes this a bit more difficult too. I'd love to get more interaction in.

Also, @Scotty why did you go over postcount on D2? (Or at least according to the SoD3 post.)

[osieorb18]

Mac's post restriction's an interesting twist here...

[osieorb18]

Oh well, I guess if nobody else is around, I'll head to bed.

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: ENDER] aubergine

[Guillotine]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

[Guillotine]

[lost monkey]

lol

[lost monkey]

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

[Flea the Magician]

on the up side, we now have 4 confs :P

on the downside, fuck I was wrong on Mac.

[Scotty]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

What the shit? Something doesn’t add up here unless I’m taking crazy pills.

Why would Mac be an ascetic? If what he’s saying is true, he’s been vanillized, so…he would be vanilla. That’s already an easy soup. He also already stated that he used to have an ability but honey stole it from him…which she could not do if he were an ascetic.

So they led with that one?

And I guess unless wolves are playing 4d chess this clears all 4?

OR this is a bastard game where that soup kill isn’t real.

Another question to ask: are they privy to more than one soup kill or is the soup kill done?

[Scotty]

[VOTE: ENDER] aubergine

I mean damn, even the host wants Ender dead!

[Scotty]

The lack of times at which I can be online makes this a bit more difficult too. I'd love to get more interaction in.

Also, @Scotty why did you go over postcount on D2? (Or at least according to the SoD3 post.)

Yea you’re here posting at 6:30a my time bud. That’s Scotty time

And as for my post cap: we had free reign to post on N2 so I took advantage of that and posted a ton more, which was tacked on to my starting total for today

[Scotty]

Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

Going over postcap vanillises. That mac seems to have actioned gives me concerns.

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[quote=Alison post_id=829324 time=<a href="tel:1626649944">1626649944</a> user_id=694]
[quote=Scotty post_id=829310 time=<a href="tel:1626647151">1626647151</a> user_id=410]
Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.
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Going over postcap vanillises. That mac seems to have actioned gives me concerns.
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Wait mac actioned despite going over the postcap? UGGGGGGGGGGH.
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You’re both wrong. He shot early on in d2, said he got a “new” role which was negative utility from that, and then went over the post cap.

Just want to make sure we’re all reading the game Grimm fairy tale here

[Scotty]

Kk well let’s ignore the idea that that souplol kill was fake and assume it was a real attempt.

CLEARED TOWN:
Mac
Dolby
Lime Coke
Alison

Which leaves, in my opinion:
Town:
Scotty
Nook
Flea
listo
osie
Lost monklet

Mafia:
Creature
Gnome
Ender
Triple H

[Scotty]

That’s the POE pool for me, I doubt those 4 are all mafia. But maybe. We’re bound to get a hit in at least 3 methinks

[Scotty]

I also feel sad that everyone seems to have mostly stopped thinking about reading people off of Michelle's flip.

That’s the main reason I think Ender is bad. Did you happen to read that? Where are you getting your Ender = town conclusions?

[Scotty]

Osie voting Dolby randomly early this morning and then this soup kill attempt make me feel especially good about being town. Add them to the town pile

[Scotty]

Honestly, fuck it. I really don't want to elim in this group. I'm inclined to believe that we have entirely town wagons.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Naw, there’s some combination of town and mafia methinks. Someone’s attempting to save someone.
It makes sense to me that creature is town, even though he’s not playing as such, and that creature voteswell was to save both GG and Ender

[Flea the Magician]

Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

Going over postcap vanillises. That mac seems to have actioned gives me concerns.

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[quote=Alison post_id=829324 time=<a href="tel:1626649944">1626649944</a> user_id=694]
[quote=Scotty post_id=829310 time=<a href="tel:1626647151">1626647151</a> user_id=410]
Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

Going over postcap vanillises. That mac seems to have actioned gives me concerns.
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Wait mac actioned despite going over the postcap? UGGGGGGGGGGH.
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You’re both wrong. He shot early on in d2, said he got a “new” role which was negative utility from that, and then went over the post cap.

Just want to make sure we’re all reading the game Grimm fairy tale here
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Ah fair, my bad ^_^

[Creature]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

Dafuq is even this. This looks so bad it's probably a trap

[Garden Gnome]

Guns are bad mmk?

Guns are fine, depending on who is operating them!

I can operate them perfectly.

Excellent!!! It's all about the magic touch!

[Garden Gnome]

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

It will be a hit.
You'll hit town.
Enjoy.

[lost monkey]

Okay my EoD vote look:

Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo

In terms of the Mans train I find wolves try to avoid the start and end which gives town cred to HK, Honey, Lime, Dolby in my eyes. That would have put Scotty, GG, Ender, and Michelle in the parts of the train wolves like to hide in but with Michelle flipping wolf I find it unlikely Ender is a wolf also so if there are more wolves on that train my bet would be it is either Scotty or GG.
Somewhere else wolves like to hide especially if its a train that will be on a townie is they want to be far away so they can say something like "I have a wonderful vote record!" later in the game.
On the Ender train Mac and Alison stayed there for a long time so they don't appear to be trying to avoid the Mans train so they get slight trust, Nanook just seemed to be sheeping people without his own thought process so slight wolf there. Something else for Nanook is with how I'm reading their posts and my gut I just do get a wolf feel from them. Flea also did a sheep vote onto here following Alison's word so I would put that at slight wolf.
For the HK train looking at TH I get the feeling they are town from their posts based on the previous games I've seen of them. Seanzie was definitely not avoiding the Mans train so slight town I would say.
On Lost Monkey vote from Osie I like the post they did it from and how they came to the conclusion so I will put slight town here.
Now for Creature, I do find it weird how near end of day they switched to Scotty from Mans giving no reasoning. I'd place them as slightly suspect.
For the Nanook vote I know I am the towniest town there is!

From this alone I would say my biggest PoE would include Scotty, GG, Nanook, and Flea.

This is a good post from listo. Before this all i could see was accusing ceriallord whose place nanook took and defense of his play and how his job makes him play less. The progression in the above post looks good i guess.

Anyways were gonna kill scotty then were gonna see his flip and go from there

I... really don’t like that plan. I feel like Scotty is town. You focusing on this is making me feel even worse about you.

[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine

Okay where I'm at currently:

Town:
Honey
Alison
Dolby
Listo
Nanook
Scotty
TH

Cop?:
HK

Scumleaning:
Mac
Creature

Everyone else I need to look into when I get off of work and on my laptop. This is off the top of my head as we speak.
If anyone has questions why on someone let me know.

I'm curious about the Nanook town read. I see no reason for him to be town. Even looking over his posts he hasn't really tried to solve or anything just been putting out theories on things that may or may not matter.

I feel he is genuinely confused like me in why he is being seen as town. Though scum could also portray something similar but i dont think listo is.

If listo was scum I'd expect his read on nanook to be TMI, not an attempt to misexe a townie. This is especially true given the self-deprecating "ah I'm really bad at giving logical reasons for my cases all I have is gut" which is very poor if you're trying to get other players to vote an innocent townie but very effective if you want to distance from your partner without risking real momentum against them. So if nanook is town then I think the chances of listo being town actually increase.

Okay so let me get this right. His town meta is to pretty much do nothing and just sheep a strong voice? Where I come from that is literally wolf play. If I'm misunderstanding what you say his meta is then I'm sorry. Also let me just explain my unable to give reasons for cases. It is more being unable to find reasons more being unable to articulate why someone has been wolfy.

Genuinely I feel like he has done almost nothing this entire game except sheep voices and give that confusing start to D2 with Michelle.

I like this post as well from him.

Hmm these responses from Ender do seem townie to me. Of course I'd like to resolve Nanook 1st but I have nothing against a Creature elim today.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This switch from ender to creature has me weirded out though seeing one of his scum reads and one slot to clear is voting for creature.

[lost monkey]

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

It will be a hit.
You'll hit town.
Enjoy.

Most probably gnome is scum.

[Guillotine]

[EnderWiggin]

... Why is the host voting for me.

What.

[EnderWiggin]

I have no words for a reaction to that.

[EnderWiggin]

Also wtf at that soup. If wolves gunned Mac don't they just know what he is????

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly tired tonight. Can't be bothered fighting against an argument that boils down to "But the last d1 wagon".

I'll be back tomorrow

[Garden Gnome]

on the up side, we now have 4 confs :P

on the downside, fuck I was wrong on Mac.

Ugh. I was wrong on Dolby.
That still leaves Creature and Scotty in the PoE. I'd say that Creature is more likely to flip red. At least, in my opinion.

[Garden Gnome]

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

It will be a hit.
You'll hit town.
Enjoy.

Most probably gnome is scum.

You'll find out after you flip me and I bleed green blood all over the place.
Like a Vulcan.

[Garden Gnome]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

Dafuq is even this. This looks so bad it's probably a trap

It could be fake. I think that there's a power that involves writing fake mod posts.

[Flea the Magician]

that's a whole new level of bastard if that's the case.

[Scotty]

on the up side, we now have 4 confs :P

on the downside, fuck I was wrong on Mac.

Ugh. I was wrong on Dolby.
That still leaves Creature and Scotty in the PoE. I'd say that Creature is more likely to flip red. At least, in my opinion.

It could be fake. I think that there's a power that involves writing fake mod posts.

Which do you believe?

[Scotty]

Also wtf at that soup. If wolves gunned Mac don't they just know what he is????

Tbh I get the Dolby lie detector and lime Coke doctor, but even then it seems lazy. Someone’s gonna have to explain to me the ascetic angle unless mafia got certain info. I feel like anyone that is vanilla can be souped as “vanilla”, no?

Or is that not how souping works?

Like if 4 people just came out as vanilla towny, can they be souped as such?

[Alison]

I'm not a fan of the Creature wagon. I think there's much less reason to exe him than either Gnome or Ender and I'm a big anti-fan of how both Gnome and Ender piled onto it happily.

[Alison]

I think Scotty has been townie today tbh. He has a lot of WIM and motivation to solve, and his thoughts are free flowing and make sense.

[Scotty]

Ok the more I think about it the more I choose not to believe there was a soup kill attempted. Ima operate under the assumption that mafia still have kill power N3. I already townread 3 of the 4 attempted, so it doesn’t change anything there.

[Scotty]

I think Scotty has been townie today tbh. He has a lot of WIM and motivation to solve, and his thoughts are free flowing and make sense.

Conversely, I think Ender has looked townie today too lol

However, that doesn’t change the fact that his d2 was not and D1 Michele votes don’t look good

[Scotty]

I'm not a fan of the Creature wagon. I think there's much less reason to exe him than either Gnome or Ender and I'm a big anti-fan of how both Gnome and Ender piled onto it happily.

What’s your opinion of this chicken noodle soup with your name in it?

[Alison]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

This spews LoMo as town. I believe the mafia were under the impression that I gave a bomb to LoMo which exploded when Michelle tried to kill him, leading to her death. I will not confirm or deny the details of my action in case they have another soup, but trying to soup me as specifically bomb giver suggests that Michelle did indeed die when she tried to kill LoMo.

[Alison]

Souping Mac as ascetic is super weird and I don't really get why.

[Scotty]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

This spews LoMo as town. I believe the mafia were under the impression that I gave a bomb to LoMo which exploded when Michelle tried to kill him, leading to her death. I will not confirm or deny the details of my action in case they have another soup, but trying to soup me as specifically bomb giver suggests that Michelle did indeed die when she tried to kill LoMo.

Ahh, well..

Maybe that does give credence to the legitimacy of this post after all, if what you’re saying is correct

[Alison]

I'm not a fan of the Creature wagon. I think there's much less reason to exe him than either Gnome or Ender and I'm a big anti-fan of how both Gnome and Ender piled onto it happily.

What’s your opinion of this chicken noodle soup with your name in it?

It's a weird soup and I'm considering the possibility that mafia intentionally souped their own member in order to trade tonight's NK for a fake clear. Hitting me as Bomb Giver makes sense if they had info about my action and if Michelle did try to kill LoMo. Dolby claimed lie detector in thread. Mac as ascetic is a completely random line unless they rolecopped him. I'm don't understand Lime Coke as doctor either.

[Alison]

It could be a desperation soup. If both Ender and Gnome were mafia and under pressure they might have tried to gamble on a big soup kill that could end the game instantly. I pulled a similar stunt in Shadow Corridors where I felt like town had too much advantage so I combed through the thread for softclears and tried to Thanos snap the town out of existence.

[Garden Gnome]

on the up side, we now have 4 confs :P

on the downside, fuck I was wrong on Mac.

Ugh. I was wrong on Dolby.
That still leaves Creature and Scotty in the PoE. I'd say that Creature is more likely to flip red. At least, in my opinion.

It could be fake. I think that there's a power that involves writing fake mod posts.

Which do you believe?

Undecided.
I think that it would be too much of a scum power as, if anyone in that list is scum, that person would become impossible to catch. On the other hand, I re-read the game rules and didn't find anything about the mod publicly announcing that the soup kill is wrong or that there were consequences for the entire team for wrong guesses. You might want to read over the rules about the soup kill because I might have misunderstood it or misinterpreted it in some way.