Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[hollowkatt]

I'm actually confused with what HK has come back to say but at least it's nice to have a resurrected town?

what's confusing and what can I do to help clear any confusion?

What has been said in DVC? Like the whole "I flipped wrong" shit that's been said by a few people in that. It's making this difficult as hell to solve.

brief synopsis/highlights:
Falcon/Ender conversation about how Ender can't read Falcon
Ender claimed his flip is wrong and he's town. Thinks Dolby is a wolf.
Michelle claimed her flip is wrong and she's town. Thinks Alison might be a wolf.
Honey thinks Alison is a wolf and thinks Scotty is a wolf (I think)
Mansnicks thinks Scotty is a wolf
TSP didn't really say much of anything other than my check was wrong.
LoMo said hi, then I left dvc

I'm sure I'm forgetting things, please don't take this as an exhaustive list.

In a game with strict OGI restrictions and mod killing, I have no idea how any of this is allowed.

Because it’s literally outside of the game.

But aight let’s get matrix up in here

as dvc isn't spoiled it's still functionally in game. Like there's no way for me to know who in dvc was telling the truth or not

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Busy day, will be in for a stretch tonight

Welcome back hk

[osieorb18]

TH and osie have been largely ignored by the thread but there have been no good reasons to clear them. There is probably scum laying low here and coasting by. TH probably fits that behavioral pattern more than osie.

I've tried engaging to very little avail.

[osieorb18]

Welcome back @hollowkatt

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[osieorb18]

I think current wagons (TH/Listo) are W/W so I'm fine with either.

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

[Alison]

I think current wagons (TH/Listo) are W/W so I'm fine with either.

What makes you think Listo is a wolf?

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[Guillotine]

MartinGG99 has subbed in for Osieorb18

Do not talk about substitutions.

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

Okay I think I've got the OP rules down and etc

but I'm probably going to ignore some mechanical stuff, and if there is mechanical stuff relating to a player there really should be caution around it as I was in Guilo's last game on MU (Open World 1.2 I think) and town got extensively punished by it since it was a more expansive view of the soup kill's power than most other players had

[MartinGG99]

I would appreciate any sort of run-down of the past few days other than trying to read the host's iso

[Flea the Magician]

ANd with Ender I did say he would need to be resolved but I thought based on his posting he was townie. If that is literally the reason I'm teamed with him then lol.

It’s more of a pattern IMO.

I can break it down in shorthand first:
Michele mentioned you once.
All of your interactions with Ender where he scumreads you are softball distancing. He even goes so far as to say you were safe for D1 but you could be resolved later.
You voted for…nook? D1, which was a throwaway vote early but you just rode with it, and you continue to do so to this day.
D2 you continued with nook, not adding anything to the trains at hand.
D3 you continue with the nook tunnel only to join the creature brigade, saying he looks towny, then unvoting after his death, leaving your vote on nothing.

That’s the skinny.

I also did only post 14 times D1 so really almost no one interacted with me.
I'm generally an easy miselim due to my low post style
And for the D1 Nook I said I was going to sleep and would try to catch up when I woke up, I woke up and by the time I caught up day had just ended.
The D2 and D3 Nook is because I do genuinely believe he is wolf.

Wow now THAT is a steaming pile of horseshit.

Hi, I'm Flea The Magician - a low poster with lots of miselim potential. Especially as I've been frankly coasting most of the game.
If you wanna survive, gitgud, start hunting and lets do this.

Also fucking rip my second power.

You lost your second power?

Nope, but it's useless.

[MartinGG99]

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

okay nevermind I guess the soup-kill was toned down since Open World

[MartinGG99]

why is it that its Alison + Mac in there though

idk about all the other players but out of all the group of 4 players you could've probably put in there

that's odd imo unless its just coincidence and claims have flown about since then

[MartinGG99]

why is it that its Alison + Mac in there though

idk about all the other players but out of all the group of 4 players you could've probably put in there

that's odd imo unless its just coincidence and claims have flown about since then

before then I mean

[MartinGG99]

what the hell is this

7 votes in like 50-something posts?

[MartinGG99]

oh I misread

[MartinGG99]

god these vote images are kinda hard to read

[MartinGG99]

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

[VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

[hollowkatt]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

hey mac, seems like you're stuck in a loop there buddy.
Can you quote things and if so, can you quote why nanook ought to go here?

[Flea the Magician]

[VOTE: TH] aubergine

Lime Coke is in a weird state for me. If Ender is scum then he's scumsided with his pushes pretty hard and I found his D1 posting to be pretty wolfy. To his credit is the fact that his interactions with honey looked T/T and kind of unnecessary for a mafia to fake (if he's scum and honey is town he'd get more mileage from letting me/Mac tunnel her and then turning the heat around on us when she flips town than by going for a level 1 white knight play). He was also one of the people included in the soupkill, and a genuine soupkill attempt on Lime Coke fits best in a scum Ender world rather than a town Ender one. The soupkill attempt is at least plausible - he did soft doc or some variant of protective role a couple of times and was visibly tilted when his pet townread and in-game best friend died at night. Adding everything up, probably leaning slightly more town than scum, but keep holding him accountable for his pushes.

I don't know what to make of Flea. Fae haven't really gotten into the meat of the interactions and pushes and had a weird reluctance to push Ender yesterday asking me if I was sure and stating that fae didn't want to commit to the vote (implied to be for some mech reason, like an ability that shorts out if they vote town or something). I think fae are still overall townie on play, especially on D2, and I am looking forward to seeing faer tryhard solving today.

It didn't short out, While i may have been lacking in my verbosity or theatrical elegance, what I did worked fully as expected >:) mwahahaha.

[Flea the Magician]

Busy day, will be in for a stretch tonight

Welcome back hk

Good, because other than being wooly I got nothing on you, not even a play style and that leads me to think I may find a zipper under there.

I think current wagons (TH/Listo) are W/W so I'm fine with either.

Why? You wanna interact lets go. TH and Listo, who else, why?


MacDougall, MacDougall, MacDougall.
Name said thrice, places your jinx on ice.

Something like that, there was a weird ass rhyme...

[Flea the Magician]

Heya Martin, When you're caught up gives us a top 3 and bottom 3 will ya?

Heads up, I'm feelin pretty sour on your slot. The Flea is lookin for blood.

[MartinGG99]

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

[VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

Okay I guess but I feel like with a game that's explicitly bastard among other things

and the fact that's kinda balsy for a wolf to do on d2

anyone voting you for that would be suspect

also there's the fact you didn't offer to claim a role and potentially just be resolved by soup-kill anyways instead of costing a town day elimination

I think I would've handled that a bit differently and not self-vote but I think your tone about it now says you're probably being genuine here

[MartinGG99]

Heya Martin, When you're caught up gives us a top 3 and bottom 3 will ya?

Heads up, I'm feelin pretty sour on your slot. The Flea is lookin for blood.

You're expecting me to read the whole game, which has ~2500 posts?

I would be sitting here doing nothing for the next day and night phase.

Much less form concrete thoughts on the players here with context.

So I'll just pick whatever stands out to me and just hope it's helpful.

[Flea the Magician]

Nope, I said when you're caught up, when you're caught up depends on when you think you're caught up on recent events. you're reading something, evidently.

[MartinGG99]

Nope, I said when you're caught up, when you're caught up depends on when you think you're caught up on recent events. you're reading something, evidently.

Well, I'm guessing you would rather not point things out for me then?

How about anyone else? Would it matter to you if they pointed out things that happened this game or gave me a summary?

[MartinGG99]

(other than mac obviously since he seems to be stuck saying one thing and voting)

[MartinGG99]

was wondering where the night immunity vote results were and didn't realize they were in the discord smh

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

[VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

Okay I guess but I feel like with a game that's explicitly bastard among other things

and the fact that's kinda balsy for a wolf to do on d2

anyone voting you for that would be suspect

also there's the fact you didn't offer to claim a role and potentially just be resolved by soup-kill anyways instead of costing a town day elimination

I think I would've handled that a bit differently and not self-vote but I think your tone about it now says you're probably being genuine here

no, you resolve the guy who claimed a red on someone who in thread flipped town as soon as you can.
Like yeah, I was insanely town D1/2, but that check "proving" false means I'm now suspect in some way to virtually everyone, and wolves can take advantage of that. Me dying takes that away from them. And now that I'm back they basically have to kill me again.

[MartinGG99]

Can someone explain to me why @Alison got night immunity (almost) three nights in a row?

[hollowkatt]

Can someone explain to me why @Alison got night immunity (almost) three nights in a row?

D1 she was super townie
Then she was kidnapped and we thought it would make sense to NK immune her b/c we weren't sure if the kidnapping would "wear off" before day break (and therefore make her eligible for the NK) or not.
Then I died and stopped reading

[MartinGG99]

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

[VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

Okay I guess but I feel like with a game that's explicitly bastard among other things

and the fact that's kinda balsy for a wolf to do on d2

anyone voting you for that would be suspect

also there's the fact you didn't offer to claim a role and potentially just be resolved by soup-kill anyways instead of costing a town day elimination

I think I would've handled that a bit differently and not self-vote but I think your tone about it now says you're probably being genuine here

no, you resolve the guy who claimed a red on someone who in thread flipped town as soon as you can.
Like yeah, I was insanely town D1/2, but that check "proving" false means I'm now suspect in some way to virtually everyone, and wolves can take advantage of that. Me dying takes that away from them. And now that I'm back they basically have to kill me again.

Okay, first, I want to correct that I said you didn't full-claim. That's false, I accidentally skipped a page in your ISO with a ctrl-f search of "cop". I also did some more contextual research.

You've said this twice now. Why are you emphasizing this?

This is obviously an over-simplification, but in principle this always applies unless mechanical clear. Even so, this is a bastard game. I'm not sure many people can blame you unless they want to be foolish or wolfy.

I'm struggling to understand this. Where's the wolves then if you think they were taking advantage of this and pushing you? I mean, I feel like you would say this before or after you got yeeted. The only one I saw was like, mac, and I thiiinnnkk that was before the check claim? Not sure.

And I'm not sure they have to do this unless it comes to, like, final three. Only reason to do so is if they wanted a kill with minimal spew since you claimed to being vanilla-ized after being ressurected after a supposed town flip.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Busy day, will be in for a stretch tonight

Welcome back hk

Good, because other than being wooly I got nothing on you, not even a play style and that leads me to think I may find a zipper under there.

I think current wagons (TH/Listo) are W/W so I'm fine with either.

Why? You wanna interact lets go. TH and Listo, who else, why?


MacDougall, MacDougall, MacDougall.
Name said thrice, places your jinx on ice.

Something like that, there was a weird ass rhyme...

I dont really understand what you're saying to me but it shouldn't be that hard to see how I play id say, I have a good number of posts and it's easy to find other games of mine if you care that much

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[MartinGG99]

@TripleHaven why are you town

(Anyone else can answer this if they want to, but I would prefer hearing TH's response)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Keep your pants on

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

[VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

Okay I guess but I feel like with a game that's explicitly bastard among other things

and the fact that's kinda balsy for a wolf to do on d2

anyone voting you for that would be suspect

also there's the fact you didn't offer to claim a role and potentially just be resolved by soup-kill anyways instead of costing a town day elimination

I think I would've handled that a bit differently and not self-vote but I think your tone about it now says you're probably being genuine here

no, you resolve the guy who claimed a red on someone who in thread flipped town as soon as you can.
Like yeah, I was insanely town D1/2, but that check "proving" false means I'm now suspect in some way to virtually everyone, and wolves can take advantage of that. Me dying takes that away from them. And now that I'm back they basically have to kill me again.

Okay, first, I want to correct that I said you didn't full-claim. That's false, I accidentally skipped a page in your ISO with a ctrl-f search of "cop". I also did some more contextual research.

You've said this twice now. Why are you emphasizing this?

This is obviously an over-simplification, but in principle this always applies unless mechanical clear. Even so, this is a bastard game. I'm not sure many people can blame you unless they want to be foolish or wolfy.

I'm struggling to understand this. Where's the wolves then if you think they were taking advantage of this and pushing you? I mean, I feel like you would say this before or after you got yeeted. The only one I saw was like, mac, and I thiiinnnkk that was before the check claim? Not sure.

And I'm not sure they have to do this unless it comes to, like, final three. Only reason to do so is if they wanted a kill with minimal spew since you claimed to being vanilla-ized after being ressurected after a supposed town flip.

kinda want to kill you more than I want to kill TH

[MartinGG99]

i like your analysis listo i will say flea and michelle did not seem partnered from their interactions and idk michelle voting to keep mansnicks wagon larger than enders doesnt look great to me considering if she was just going for a mis hammer and mansnicks and ender were both mishammerable in that day - ender had much more presence than mansnicks and would have been a more optimal ml if both wagons were town

That is a good point, my logic for Ender not being a wolf is I highly doubt on D1 2 wolves would vote right next to each other on a miselim.

Oh I literally do not sheep that at all. I fully believe Nanook is a wolf. My current other quick reads would be:
Creature - Wolf
Ender - Null (I do agree his spot needs to be resolved to get better D1 reads)
Scotty - Town
Alison - Town
TH - Honestly this does not feel like town TH to me so Wolf Lean

I think as of now those are my strongest reads besides the Nanook wolf.

"Strongest reads"

"Null"

Alright.

That portion was less for the null and more for the fact that you do need to be resolved for the most info gain imo.

Why? Because you can't read my posts so you need to POE me?

Well that and I do truly believe you will give a lot of info with your elimination.

Also that ender flip didn’t help me at all on resolving Nanook. Looking back he called Nanook null near end of D1 then moved him to town because of a “quibble” with Michelle. When I read that quibble it was like 4-6 posts and seemed so minor to me.

Am I wrong in thinking he’s still wolf? Maybe. But something about this feels so off to me.

If we assume Ender was red then these three posts together over time is very bothersome since the first was on d2 and the latter two on d3 where Ender seemed to be under votes all the time

[MartinGG99]

kinda want to kill you more than I want to kill TH

I'm not sure why I should be under TH for you.

You want to kill someone who seemingly had been on you since D1 and then gets all excited about the possibility of you being scum d2? (From what I could get from skimming)

Like I'm having a hard time here telling if you're being good here or not. At first I read that "I was amazingly towny" assertion to be good tone but now I feel like you're trying to dig into it and frame your whole red-check-turned-false & self-vote play as favorable as it can be for you to make up for things you did not think of at first, such as not really naming who you think is suspicious for pushing you on d2 when you've said you thought wolves were taking advantage of you.

It really feels suspicious to me and makes me wonder if you just happened to flip what you did.

[MartinGG99]

It really feels suspicious to me and makes me wonder if you just "happened" to flip what you did.

Ebwop.

[MartinGG99]

Not to mention, in that other Syndicate game recently Axe as town did that whole fake-red-check fiasco on d2 (while you were there as wolf) and so it feels like a bad coincidence that its being repeated here (although you've claimed the check was real and was affected by bastardy or something of the sort).