Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[hollowkatt]

scum get your grimey hands off martin

alison, mac, flea, myself. How many wolves in that set?

[c4e5g3d5]

I discover a new nickname for myself every second I'm on TS

I'm gonna ISO Nook tomorrow. That sounds like a really bad idea. Is it a really bad idea?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I discover a new nickname for myself every second I'm on TS

I'm gonna ISO Nook tomorrow. That sounds like a really bad idea. Is it a really bad idea?

Idk its not that long

[Scotty]

Bah, I should’ve looked more thoroughly at everyone before coming to the conclusion of listo being the optimal chop today.

Osie had more scum equity with Ender even than when I made a case on their teammate comparibity with Michelle.

Regardless of Martin’s entrance, all I needed was to look at D1 and d2 osie/Ender interactions to realize this slot is scum.

D1? Osie almost completely ignores Ender, puts him on their scum lean with NK explanation, but not one of their 5 scumreads.
D2? Bumps Ender up to townlean. Why? Unclear.

“Ender felt okay on D1. I'm feeling a touch of paranoia there since I think they work on some teams, and their D2 is not nearly as stellar. But it's not bad. Their spew reads aren't great, but they don't feel scum-motivated, just bad play. I never want to elim Ender before LyLO this game, overall; I think their effort on D1 while under pressure looks really good and their D2 feels sorta like a sigh of relief while still trying to solve, even if they aren't doing it well. I don't think they're ever a buddy with Michelle. Townread.”

That whole paragraph is just a big yikes knowing ender’s bad.
Voting on vanity wagons, peddling POEs that were clearly bad.

Shoulda voted them sooner is all. Sorry Martin, your slot is bad,”.
[VOTE: martin] aubergine

[Scotty]

This is to say that I do think listo is still bad, but there is stronger evidence for me to vote Martin.

Oh, and that Martin is voting for HK of all people? Blasphemy. Could he be satan reincarnate? We should be so lucky

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I haven't really read today yet but im really really confused why martin is voting for hk and I'm struggling to see how they see that as a viable/good choice as either alignment tbh

Which makes me think maybe he's just scum, but there's enough votes on him that I don't need to pile on atm

[c4e5g3d5]

Bah, I should’ve looked more thoroughly at everyone before coming to the conclusion of listo being the optimal chop today.

Osie had more scum equity with Ender even than when I made a case on their teammate comparibity with Michelle.

Regardless of Martin’s entrance, all I needed was to look at D1 and d2 osie/Ender interactions to realize this slot is scum.

D1? Osie almost completely ignores Ender, puts him on their scum lean with NK explanation, but not one of their 5 scumreads.
D2? Bumps Ender up to townlean. Why? Unclear.

“Ender felt okay on D1. I'm feeling a touch of paranoia there since I think they work on some teams, and their D2 is not nearly as stellar. But it's not bad. Their spew reads aren't great, but they don't feel scum-motivated, just bad play. I never want to elim Ender before LyLO this game, overall; I think their effort on D1 while under pressure looks really good and their D2 feels sorta like a sigh of relief while still trying to solve, even if they aren't doing it well. I don't think they're ever a buddy with Michelle. Townread.”

That whole paragraph is just a big yikes knowing ender’s bad.
Voting on vanity wagons, peddling POEs that were clearly bad.

Shoulda voted them sooner is all. Sorry Martin, your slot is bad,”.
[VOTE: martin] aubergine

Can I change my official stance to dichotomies being good now

[c4e5g3d5]

I haven't really read today yet but im really really confused why martin is voting for hk and I'm struggling to see how they see that as a viable/good choice as either alignment tbh

Which makes me think maybe he's just scum, but there's enough votes on him that I don't need to pile on atm

Guessing he just didn't realize hk was rezzed regardless of his alignment

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I haven't really read today yet but im really really confused why martin is voting for hk and I'm struggling to see how they see that as a viable/good choice as either alignment tbh

Which makes me think maybe he's just scum, but there's enough votes on him that I don't need to pile on atm

Guessing he just didn't realize hk was rezzed regardless of his alignment

Seems like a hard thing to miss doesn't it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also, presumably someone has informed him of this by now?

[c4e5g3d5]

Someone who knows Scotty tell me if this is just NAIstyle that I should ignore
I think Scotty's vote is terrible regardless of how Martin flips

Ridiculous amount of over-justification
Completely ignores the reasons everyone else has against Martin
Goes back to find his own reason and it's just so... bad, him coming up with his own reason at all reads as so forced
It's like he Ctrl+F'd a random wolf's name in osie's ISO and grabbed the first questionable-looking quote he could

It reads like an unnecessary ruthless LHF dunk
It also reads like a last-second bus

[c4e5g3d5]

Shoulda voted them sooner is all. Sorry Martin, your slot is bad,”.

Also SHROOP if anyone cares about SHROOPs

[Lime Coke]

LC

The good:

Typically I can tell if my entrance or first couple posts are good or not.

Main example here.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4982972

I was Mystery Player, I knew my posts sucked to start and when SPF voted me I agreed my posts sucked, and I knew that I'd be obvious town to SPF because I know that she's good.

This game I feel like my posts have been fine. So seeing votes on me has me questioning why the hell I'm being voted and people are trying to bring attention to me when I'm towny.

Also the other thing is that I'm trying to figure out how or why she's pushing me. Lately I've been tunneling town players for sus'ing me super early in games for no reason. So I don't want to make that same mistake here.

Well, if you don't townread her, I'd say her reasons for trying to get you killed would be obvious (if you're town).


TBH this post reads like a frustrated wolf who feels their game has been more towny than their votes deserve

Or you're just an idiot that's coming up with excuses to scumread me instead of using actual fucking logic.

Shit like this is towny af from BK

The bad:

(Day 1 Posts: 62), (Day 2 Posts: 103), (Day 3 Posts: 119)

The dude's just generally really muted this game

His entrance reads as super crowd-pleasy when he's normally abrasive, he doesn't blare his strongest reads on max volume like he normally does
Could be a biproduct of him actually getting his way for once (see: mansnicks going over), but it's still just flat throughout and this guy's a rage machine

Like when people normally even indirectly challenge his reads he blows up at them and insists they're either dumb or scum for thinking so
Here his early read on mansnicks gets challenged and all he's worried about defending is people's perceptions of him off of it and not much of the read itself
I wouldn't expect him to take a passive approach to his top wolf as town, even if their death was telegraphed

I went at Mac (And others) for scumreading Honey who was my strongest townread this game.

I would go stronger...but you saw first hand the results of how I react when someone challenges my townreads. It's the reason I'm here currently.

[c4e5g3d5]

I'll buy it

[Lime Coke]

I'd also be way more active but this forum format is difficult for me to read, and the game's sorta been dead since Honey was killed and Mac got whatever it is done to him. Very low activity, so there isn't much for me to react off of which is a better thing for me to get read wise.

[Lime Coke]

You know the only thing I read since I got on was C4's post because I got a notification for it. I'm looking at the votes and see Martin as a wagon.

Then I see Martin's vote is on HK...

[Lime Coke]

@TripleHaven

Why are you voting Flea?

[Dolby]

Honey was flavorswapped N1

[Dolby]

I don't think there's any evidence pointing towards Ender being town. For Ender to be town, either Dolby is scum with a daykill and a faked soup on himself, or Dolby was insanified and Ender was death-framed. Both possibilities seem unlikely.

clearly there's some fuckery about though. Case in point my red on TSP. That wasn't faked yet he flipped town. So either I was insane but didn't know it, or TSP flipped wrong, or someone else impacted that investigation.

Also that I thought you received a gun but probably for the best given Seanzie and yours came from the same source

[Dolby]

Btw I have another gun

[Dolby]

High key if Michelle’s alignment is up for debate, I think day 1 interactions between Michelle/Ender were what the two could do as w/w and high key something that Ender would actively enjoy doing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Shoulda voted them sooner is all. Sorry Martin, your slot is bad,”.

Also SHROOP if anyone cares about SHROOPs

Why would anyone care about a shroop

[Dolby]

a status effect was just applied onto me such that I would be required to shoot today if I had a gun

I do not actually have a gun

[Dolby]

Get baited

[listo95]

a status effect was just applied onto me such that I would be required to shoot today if I had a gun

I do not actually have a gun

That certainly sounds like it would be mafia to me.

[TripleHaven]

scum get your grimey hands off martin

alison, mac, flea, myself. How many wolves in that set?

Probably just flea, alison if I'm really tinfoiling

[MacDougall]

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[Scotty]

a status effect was just applied onto me such that I would be required to shoot today if I had a gun

I do not actually have a gun

But I do

Odd that I claimed I had a gun yesterday and I didn’t receive this condition today.

Maybe my gun is not a Seanzie gun after all..

[Scotty]

scum get your grimey hands off martin

alison, mac, flea, myself. How many wolves in that set?

Probably just flea, alison if I'm really tinfoiling

ELEMENTARY MY DEAR MACSON

[Scotty]

Someone who knows Scotty tell me if this is just NAIstyle that I should ignore
I think Scotty's vote is terrible regardless of how Martin flips

Ridiculous amount of over-justification
Completely ignores the reasons everyone else has against Martin
Goes back to find his own reason and it's just so... bad, him coming up with his own reason at all reads as so forced
It's like he Ctrl+F'd a random wolf's name in osie's ISO and grabbed the first questionable-looking quote he could

It reads like an unnecessary ruthless LHF dunk
It also reads like a last-second bus

Nice to meet you. I prefer to justify my votes. What you call over-justification is perhaps my verbose way of talking. Check all my other cases on people.

More importantly, I find when people don’t justify their votes to be suspicious af

[Scotty]

Shoulda voted them sooner is all. Sorry Martin, your slot is bad,”.

Also SHROOP if anyone cares about SHROOPs

You kids and your hipster lingo

What’s a shroop

[Scotty]

Mac started his Groundhog Day seven hours after d3 started, and here we are almost 24 hours into on Day 4.

Is this going to be permanent? Like, is this the negative utility he hinted at receiving and is it active now for the rest of the game?

Because that sucks for everyone involved

[Flea the Magician]

scum get your grimey hands off martin

alison, mac, flea, myself. How many wolves in that set?

Probably just flea, alison if I'm really tinfoiling

Now that is some tinfoil, talk me through your thinking here? Because I haven't seen much thinking from you and I keep forgetting you're in the game.

[hollowkatt]

scum get your grimey hands off martin

alison, mac, flea, myself. How many wolves in that set?

Probably just flea, alison if I'm really tinfoiling

alright, talk to me about why flea is a wolf if you can. My impression of Flea is that they've been alright, kinda middle of the road in a townie sort of way.

What are you town reading mac off of? His votes over the last 1.5 game days?
why tinfoil Alison?

[Scotty]

It’s deader in here than a big box gym in March

At this point, Alison as a wolf is implausible at best. Kidnap, come back swinging with good reads, pushing envelopes. Not to underestimate her wolfing, because I hear through the grapevine it’s pretty strong. But her play this game is too gambity I feel. The kidnapping is surely a mafia ability. We will probably see another kidnapping tomorrow as well. Unless we kill that role today.

Mac’s condition is hopefully not contagious, but it’s less than ideal. He’s going to be a liability for solving the game as we dwindle in numbers, and mafia is just going to have to kill him, which I don’t see happening. Could he be faking? As Alison defended when it happened, the timing was sure weird to pull a gambit. Again, if Mac is bad, then it’s a bizarrely timed gambit. Not out of the realm of possibility, but I’d say hiiiighly unlikely.

That soup kill is most definitely an attempt of some sort and I’m still going to use it as canon. Dolby is lock town. No way Ender told his buddy to shoot him for cred. Would be a waste. And if it’s all been for cred, he’s playing a remarkable game if bad. I don’t see cracks since my initial case against him in d2.

If there’s a deep wolf in the soup, it could be Lime Coke. Yea he was in the soup, but I have no idea where he’s been since D1. I read it as town regardless. Not in my poe

But the thing that people are missing is: if that soup kill were real, someone TOWN killed lomo. The possibilities people bringing up about lomo being some sort of medium…only make sense if mafia killed them. So…something doesn’t add up there, if the mafia indeed were stripped of their factional kill.

[Scotty]

listo still hasn’t done a good job of appearing town. For someone that has self-appointed himself as a Sherlock Holmes as the game progresses, he’s appearing more and more as a Jacques Clouseau. Lots of scum equity, and only popping in to deflect and defend. Where’s the solving my man?

[Scotty]

Mmm ima backtrack

If that soupkill isn’t real, Line o Coke actually makes sense as a plant to appear in a towny list of names. Mac would be the next if only for the idea that he could do a gambit and I wouldn’t blink twice. Then Alison, then Dolby.

[hollowkatt]

friendos the above posts are why scotty is town

[Scotty]

friendos the above posts are why scotty is town

meh

[Alison]

I woke up with a splitting headache this morning and the game has kinda stalled so I don't have much to say. I am strongly reading TH and Martin as partners now that TH is blatantly chainsaw defending him. I kinda just want the day to end so we can see Martin's flip.

[Scotty]

I woke up with a splitting headache this morning and the game has kinda stalled so I don't have much to say. I am strongly reading TH and Martin as partners now that TH is blatantly chainsaw defending him. I kinda just want the day to end so we can see Martin's flip.

I can try and speed it up by shooting him.

I might get Seanzie’d or I might not. What we think?

[Scotty]

Honestly if people start mass townreading me my days are probably numbered anyway. So I might as well shoot into the storm

[Alison]

If the soup is real my best guess for LoMo's death is some kind of KP that isn't tied to the factional NK, like a conditional kill or something along those lines. We know that Michelle had something similar (the killing framer role, which kills anyone that visits the person they framed and isn't an investigative), so there could be more conditional KP the mafia has.

Flea promised to tryhard but I'm not really seeing it. Fae've still been overall townie on play and if Martin flips red I'm pretty sure fae're cleared because in that world TH is pushing them as the next most viable misexe to try to save Martin. So I'm just going to let the Martin flip resolve faer for me.

[Alison]

I woke up with a splitting headache this morning and the game has kinda stalled so I don't have much to say. I am strongly reading TH and Martin as partners now that TH is blatantly chainsaw defending him. I kinda just want the day to end so we can see Martin's flip.

I can try and speed it up by shooting him.

I might get Seanzie’d or I might not. What we think?

I don't really trust the guns in this game so I wouldn't shoot if I was you.

[Scotty]

Wait ok there’s some ability that Dolby wasn’t aware of that gave a gun to Mac, which lobotomized him. Ima call that the Lobotomy Gun.

Dolby received 1 of 3 guns: 1 HK denies receiving. I’ll call that the Invisible Gun. 1 Dolby used normally. I’ll call that the Bwap Bwap Gun. 1 Seanzie blew up with. I’ll call that the Horseshoe Gun. Those all seem to be from one ability.

Haven’t heard of anyone else receiving a gun, so I’m dubious there are any more gun powers. There’s also a chance mac was the redirected recipient of a gun where HK should have received it.
When Ender gave me a random ability- which I guess I’ll buy- if I received the power that gives out 3 guns I would expect someone else to have used it. So I’d like to think I probably have a…Lobotomy Gun.

That probably doesn’t help town if I use it lol

Dammit I really wanna be useful

[listo95]

D1:
Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo
No Votes: LoMo, TSP

D2:
HK: TH, Dolby, HK, Creature, Nanook, Ender, GG
Dolby: Scotty, Lime, Osie
Osie: LoMo, Flea
Nanook: Listo
Ender: Mac
GG: Honey

D3:
GG: Alison, Lime, Scotty, LoMo, Flea, Guillo
Scotty: Nanook, GG
LoMo: Mac
No Votes: Dolby, Creature, TH, Listo, Osie

We all already know what my D1 look was. Here it is again for those who forgot.

Spoiler: show

Okay my EoD vote look:

Mansnicks: HK, Honey, Scotty, GG, Ender, Michelle, Lime, Dolby
Ender: Mac, Alison, Nanook, Flea
HK: TH, Falcon, Seanzie, Mansnicks
Lost: Osie
Scotty: Creature
Nanook: Listo

In terms of the Mans train I find wolves try to avoid the start and end which gives town cred to HK, Honey, Lime, Dolby in my eyes. That would have put Scotty, GG, Ender, and Michelle in the parts of the train wolves like to hide in but with Michelle flipping wolf I find it unlikely Ender is a wolf also so if there are more wolves on that train my bet would be it is either Scotty or GG.
Somewhere else wolves like to hide especially if its a train that will be on a townie is they want to be far away so they can say something like "I have a wonderful vote record!" later in the game.
On the Ender train Mac and Alison stayed there for a long time so they don't appear to be trying to avoid the Mans train so they get slight trust, Nanook just seemed to be sheeping people without his own thought process so slight wolf there. Something else for Nanook is with how I'm reading their posts and my gut I just do get a wolf feel from them. Flea also did a sheep vote onto here following Alison's word so I would put that at slight wolf.
For the HK train looking at TH I get the feeling they are town from their posts based on the previous games I've seen of them. Seanzie was definitely not avoiding the Mans train so slight town I would say.
On Lost Monkey vote from Osie I like the post they did it from and how they came to the conclusion so I will put slight town here.
Now for Creature, I do find it weird how near end of day they switched to Scotty from Mans giving no reasoning. I'd place them as slightly suspect.
For the Nanook vote I know I am the towniest town there is!

From this alone I would say my biggest PoE would include Scotty, GG, Nanook, and Flea.

For D2 TH and Dolby are unlikely to be wolf from the HK train, Creature and Nanook are in prime spots for a wolf to hide so they both get wolf lean.
I'd say Scotty, Lime, and Martin are kinda townie for the Dolby train, Martin would have the least amount of town from it.
Flea I feel like is town, I know I'm town. Mac also feels town.

For D3 I feel like the entire GG train was town.
On the Scotty train Nanook was sheeping again so yay -.- I swear he has to be scum based on all of this but apparently this is his town meta -.-
I'm willing to bet whatever happened to Mac was due to wolf so yeah.
From the non votes I feel like Dolby and Creature are town. Leaving TH and Martin as my 2nd and 3rd most sus.

So as of now I would say my entire PoE is Nanook-Martin-TH.

[Alison]

Oh yeah and c4 had a townie entrance but I'm pretty sure Creatureslot is already spewed V as the misexe Ender was trying to push to save himself so that isn't really surprising.

[Alison]

Flea being one of the D1 votes on Ender (a day where he was actually in danger of dying before the last minute mansnicks push) is a good look for faer and makes the TH push on them to save Martin even worse.

[Alison]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p827632

^ mansnicks (V), hollowkatt (V) and Ender (W) wagons at 4/4/4. From there, in order...

- Ender votes mansnicks. Self pres, duh.

- Flea votes Ender in order to sheep me. VERY good look for faer, putting a vote on a mafia member at a crucial moment + saying it's a sheep to minimize credit for faerself.

- Michelle votes mansnicks. This is indicative that Michelle is probably actually wolf and voted with her scum buddy to stop Flea from putting Ender over. This mansnicks vote involves an awkward backpedal on her Ender read ("Something on last Ender posts makes me to want him alive at this Eod"), which means Michelle felt fear at Flea's vote.

- Creature votes mansnicks. Bad vote, but later events made Creature most likely townie so I'm willing to say this was just a wrong read.

At this point the wagons are mansnicks 7, Ender 4 if I'm counting correctly. After Creature's vote mafia probably regained some confidence that mansnicks would go over and not Ender. That means they are less likely to baldly try to save Ender and more likely to make good-looking votes that will reflect well on them later on.

- LC drops in at the last second with a vote on mansnicks. Probably a townie vote, since at this point mansnicks had a huge lead and a scum LC could easily just not have shown up, or voted HK or even Ender to try to get some towncred later rather than be tied to the mansnicks exe.

- Creature votes a vanity wagon, Scotty. Weird vote, and I don't know what he was trying to do there. Probably just petulant that his desired exe did not go over and voted there to make a point, which is kinda townie.

- Then HK and mansnicks have a long argument and mansnicks flips.

So based on the EOD vote movement analysis...

1) Michelle is probably just scum.
2) Flea is spewed town.
3) Lime Coke gets small town points.

[Scotty]

If Martin/TH are our last mafia, does a 4-person team on a 21 person game make sense? I feel like it has to be one more.

For listo to just say he’s most sus of exactly what I’m thinking [plus nook] he’d be painting himself deep into a corner if wolf, unless we’re all wrong about Martin/TH.