if that's the case then u should make him ur first suspect
who wouldn't want to be on a wagon with a cute pupper like myself
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I will if you will do likewise for Made.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pmHumor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pmI'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pmI'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pmLoaded question.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pmI mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:23 pm"You're doing busywork to look busy."Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:20 pm
How often does what work out? Randing characters? Well, unless if you want to get into a debate about what we mean by a "random" sample, unless you believe Nook is lying, I'd say it works out quite well.
If you're talking about Falcon, I believe that pressuring my scumreads also works well. There is always the chance of accidentally tunneling, but applying pressure is a great way to generate more information that I can then reform stronger reads based on.
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In my book, that's an accusation. A civilian has no need to look busy. Therefore you are accusing falcon of being duplicitous.
I asked you how often does "doing busywork to look busy" work for mafia members in your experience.
You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,
1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.
2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.
So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
My vote on you stands.
I have a stance on you.
Well so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.
I agree Made deserves scrutiny, and even though I don't remember any other posts from you, I'mma guess this one comes from town.
You have 25 posts and this is the beginning of a Mafia game on a very vocal site. Don't please yourself on that basis.
how do u not remember any other posts from me
ok so let's say for whatever reason ur wrong about falcon and he's just a townie that doesn't know how to take a jokeLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmWell so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.
Made I have mostly null? The preflip and where he's going with the read is weird? Like him calling Falcon obvious scum sure enough, but the stuff with Esooa being the distraction I don't see currently?
Like in terms of sheeping me, like it makes sense since I literally wolf cased him 2 pages into the game. It's still super early so maybe not an opportunistic thing yet for scum to latch on?
25 out of ~250. Even if you think I am possibly a wolf, I don't see the point of this post, discouraging me from scumhunting?
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pmNah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worstfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pmStrange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?
Looking at what I bolded, if Falcon is town and Made is mafia, he spews Sean town because he's pre-emptively using a villager's death as a reason to push another villager.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pmok so let's say for whatever reason ur wrong about falcon and he's just a townie that doesn't know how to take a jokeLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmWell so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.
Made I have mostly null? The preflip and where he's going with the read is weird? Like him calling Falcon obvious scum sure enough, but the stuff with Esooa being the distraction I don't see currently?
Like in terms of sheeping me, like it makes sense since I literally wolf cased him 2 pages into the game. It's still super early so maybe not an opportunistic thing yet for scum to latch on?
what would u make of made there?
I don't care how many posts you have. My point was that in a Mafia game, if you have ten percent of the posts (your figure), you're going to get people pushing back at you. You said that made you think you are on to something.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:43 pm25 out of ~250. Even if you think I am possibly a wolf, I don't see the point of this post, discouraging me from scumhunting?
Either way, since you're being stubborn, I will ISO Made and let you know my thoughts (even though I've already given some) so you can FINALLY talk about Falcon (whom you've been defending - on purpose? Inadvertently? who knows? Nook.)...
this is a p good call I'd sayLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 pmMade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pmNah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worstfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pmStrange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?Looking at what I bolded, if Falcon is town and Made is mafia, he spews Sean town because he's pre-emptively using a villager's death as a reason to push another villager.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pmok so let's say for whatever reason ur wrong about falcon and he's just a townie that doesn't know how to take a jokeLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmWell so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.
Made I have mostly null? The preflip and where he's going with the read is weird? Like him calling Falcon obvious scum sure enough, but the stuff with Esooa being the distraction I don't see currently?
Like in terms of sheeping me, like it makes sense since I literally wolf cased him 2 pages into the game. It's still super early so maybe not an opportunistic thing yet for scum to latch on?
what would u make of made there?
No idea what it does for Esooa though.
Yo Synfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned
I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmI will if you will do likewise for Made.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pmHumor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pmI'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pmI'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pmLoaded question.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pmI mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:23 pm
"You're doing busywork to look busy."
In my book, that's an accusation. A civilian has no need to look busy. Therefore you are accusing falcon of being duplicitous.
I asked you how often does "doing busywork to look busy" work for mafia members in your experience.
You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,
1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.
2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.
So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
My vote on you stands.
I have a stance on you.
hmmm this post reminds me of someoneAlison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pmYo Synfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned
I feel like this might have been a joke post
But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this
So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?
Okay...I'm laughing pretty hard at this.Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pmYo Synfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm Syn suggesting sleep before we have any info over the lack of info we might gather has me somewhat concerned
I feel like this might have been a joke post
But also i feel like there's some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this
So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?
If you want to talk to me and demand things of me, please do more. All of my responses to you have been more than generous in content. I can't say the same here. It almost feels like you're trying to play opposite to how you did in Bike. Equal exchange, my friend. Equal exchange.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:46 pmI don't care how many posts you have. My point was that in a Mafia game, if you have ten percent of the posts (your figure), you're going to get people pushing back at you. You said that made you think you are on to something.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:43 pm25 out of ~250. Even if you think I am possibly a wolf, I don't see the point of this post, discouraging me from scumhunting?
Either way, since you're being stubborn, I will ISO Made and let you know my thoughts (even though I've already given some) so you can FINALLY talk about Falcon (whom you've been defending - on purpose? Inadvertently? who knows? Nook.)...
What is that something?
No, I don't suspect falcon. Why does falcon have three votes and are they worthy votes?
sorry to interject your glorious quote pyramid but i actually think made's early posts (as well as his later posts) raised a red flag for me. i don't rlly understand why he would add to the "lolsleep" momentum and then immediately throw shade towards someone that did exactly what he did?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pmI looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmI will if you will do likewise for Made.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pmHumor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pmI'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pmI'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pmLoaded question.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.
You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,
1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.
2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.
So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
My vote on you stands.
I have a stance on you.
Now you.
I can't control the moonphases that define my life.
Pretty sure I should be in a category all of my own here. At least two returns on either side of me please.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm completely arbitrary list with no rhyme or reason
esooa
falcon
lime
seanzie
syn
made
transcend
epi
ender
It could look bad because he's literally pushed on both Falcon and Esooa, whom were being scumread by myself and Sean respectively, and just shot at a gap hoping to take out 1 town out of the 2 of them.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pmthis is a p good call I'd sayLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 pmMade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pmNah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worstfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pmStrange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?Looking at what I bolded, if Falcon is town and Made is mafia, he spews Sean town because he's pre-emptively using a villager's death as a reason to push another villager.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:42 pmok so let's say for whatever reason ur wrong about falcon and he's just a townie that doesn't know how to take a jokeLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmWell so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.
Made I have mostly null? The preflip and where he's going with the read is weird? Like him calling Falcon obvious scum sure enough, but the stuff with Esooa being the distraction I don't see currently?
Like in terms of sheeping me, like it makes sense since I literally wolf cased him 2 pages into the game. It's still super early so maybe not an opportunistic thing yet for scum to latch on?
what would u make of made there?
No idea what it does for Esooa though.
but in a world where falcon is town, do u think that made trends more towards town or maf?
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pmPretty sure I should be in a category all of my own here. At least two returns on either side of me please.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm completely arbitrary list with no rhyme or reason
esooa
falcon
lime
seanzie
syn
made
transcend
epi
ender
I interpreted his first post about sleep to be a joke, and so took it as separate from his actual stance about sleepers, but I see what you're saying here.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pmsorry to interject your glorious quote pyramid but i actually think made's early posts (as well as his later posts) raised a red flag for me. i don't rlly understand why he would add to the "lolsleep" momentum and then immediately throw shade towards someone that did exactly what he did?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pmI looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmI will if you will do likewise for Made.
Now you.
Look, if I wear wool over my fur, and slide you a fiver, can I get a townread?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm completely arbitrary list with no rhyme or reason
esooa
falcon
lime
seanzie
syn
made
transcend
epi
ender
Tnx bud!hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pmPretty sure I should be in a category all of my own here. At least two returns on either side of me please.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm completely arbitrary list with no rhyme or reason
esooa
falcon
lime
seanzie
syn
made
transcend
epi
ender
seanzie
To push you off? Got it.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pm this game is going too hard too fast. Someone ping me tomorrow with cliffs or something.
Thank you for claiming scum and spewing Esooa and Seanzie town.
My good sir, no. I take my bribes in the form of Tea and Sugar Cubes thank you very muchEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 pmLook, if I wear wool over my fur, and slide you a fiver, can I get a townread?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm completely arbitrary list with no rhyme or reason
esooa
falcon
lime
seanzie
syn
made
transcend
epi
ender
He could've literally spewed Falcon town too with what he's going for.
no. Also those might not be arbitrary. I can't be sure though, sometimes things are fuzzy in my mind. Perhaps retiring to my workshop would improve my mental faculties.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 pmTnx bud!hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:54 pmPretty sure I should be in a category all of my own here. At least two returns on either side of me please.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:49 pm completely arbitrary list with no rhyme or reason
esooa
falcon
lime
seanzie
syn
made
transcend
epi
ender
seanzie
I agree the game is going pretty quick, but before you go, any non-arbitrary reads?
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pmI looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pmI will if you will do likewise for Made.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pmHumor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pmI'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pmI'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pmLoaded question.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.
You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,
1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.
2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.
So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
My vote on you stands.
I have a stance on you.
Now you.
Fine.
Fine.
I don't care about this.
I don't know who Lime Coke is.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:21 pmHave you ever made an accurate read of me?
Survey says! Nope
I laughed. This is a great post. One I would have made had I been on my game and actually said shit like "misyeeting."falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:29 pmAccidentally misyeet? Do we ever intentionally misyeet a villager?
[VOTE: Transcend] aubergine
This is a terrible attempt to set up a dichotomy between two players that are already feuding and Made's agenda is dripping from every word. Just turbo this slot please.Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pmNah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worstfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pmStrange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?
Gonna vote Made or just sus them?Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:00 pmThis is a terrible attempt to set up a dichotomy between two players that are already feuding and Made's agenda is dripping from every word. Just turbo this slot please.Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pmNah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worstfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pmStrange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?
my homie my dude my broEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:01 pmGonna vote Made or just sus them?Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:00 pmThis is a terrible attempt to set up a dichotomy between two players that are already feuding and Made's agenda is dripping from every word. Just turbo this slot please.Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:11 pmNah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worstfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:05 pmStrange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?
I can't get towncred by sheeping you if you don't vote.