Batman: The Animated Series mafia win

[Alison]

I wonder what to make of Ender doing nothing but straight sheeping at this point in the game.

I think it's mildly townie because I think Ender is the kind of person who would want to impact the game more as wolf and because the specific person he chose to sheep (ie. me) isn't a typical or good choice for a wolf employing this strategy.

I disagree with this read, after reading the thread again

How come?

[Lime Coke]

Transcend makes a good point of Hollow making a town slip on having 3, not 4, mafia guesses. Might put Hollow in town core, at least I'm not voting him day 1.

[Lime Coke]

At work currently so won't be as strong with analysis QUITE yet.

[Alison]

hollowkat/trans/falcon gg ez

This is a terrible solve.

[Alison]

Made's wagon went from nearly being hammered to a paltry two people including me. All the Made suspicion has seemingly melted away despite Made having done nothing townie to clear himself.

On the other hand Kami enters the thread with terrible reads and proclaims Made to be the towniest person in the game which I think is borderline TMI given how wolfy he has been this game.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

[Lime Coke]

I will sheep Alison here as well.

[falcon45ca]

? yeah no one has flipped

I thought u meant that roles wouldn't be revealed upon someone being voted out

So why do you think bussing wouldn't happen so early into a game
especially when the consensus is we should sleep today so no real threat?

Where is this consensus of which you speak?

Consensus of Page 1.

Oh, THAT consensus...I thought he was referring to a consensus that actually mattered

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

And Alison swerved me.

Not nice.

[Transcend]

Kami is not the move because

Transcend makes a good point of Hollow making a town slip on having 3, not 4, mafia guesses. Might put Hollow in town core, at least I'm not voting him day 1.

Except replace hollow with kami

It's kinda stupid but I think it's probably accurate. Plus her stubbornness was kinda towny despite being a bit extra.

Alison: I'm not gonna quote the post to avoid this one being lengthy but I don't rly agree with ur tr on rondo. To me it read as a giant novel just to explain that he was omgusing until further notice, and also him blaming made for bringing suspicion onto him where it was Syn who brought up his silent vote, I reminded everyone of what they said and Made and a few others agreed. I think sring the spot would be a stretch at this moment but I def didn't find the post towny.

U did seem at least concerned enough about finger to question how she arrived at tvt on epi and Sean. Have u read my wall dissecting her entire post? I feel that mega post is loaded w red flags from her. I want ur thoughts on it if u get the chance.

[fingersplints]

I’m finished reading now. Still need some time to think, but immediate reactions are

I think Seanzie vs Epi is probably town vs town. Just a feeling if one of them was a wolf they would have moved on or let it go sooner or something.

I’ve never played with Transcend before, but I think they come off all right so far.

I think I see some of what I associate with town Alison. Not enough to defend or vote to save or anything at this point, but I think she’s ok for now.

I’ve seen some decent points made about Made but at least one I disagree with ( the posts about him conveniently returning to the thread as if scum buddies told them to get in. That’s almost never actually the case. People just post when they want to) did I read correctly he had 6 votes at one point though? That seems a lot for this early.

EnderWiggin seems very different then the last game I played with him when he was town. Just something I’m watching.

I’m trying to remember if there was anything else but my kids demanding attention

1) Why? Wolves love getting sucked into unproductive fights that spiral into a dozen-page-long horror show and make the rest of the town unable to do any real solving. I'm scumreading neither Seanzie nor Epi, but this is an odd reason to call their fight TvT.

2) What do you make of that?

1. Depends on the person if they would love that as a wolf. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wolf Seanzie before, and tbh I wouldn’t say it’s out of the possibility for a wolf Epi to act in this manner, but just seems more likely to be town to me based on tone. Back to Seanzie, he seemed frustrated at Epi’s stubbornness at times but the questioning still seemed like he was still genuinely trying to solve.

2. If the 6 votes had stayed longer, it would have made me feel like perhaps Made was just an easy target for wolves. But I’m wondering if there is any merit to the points and if some were just scum buddies getting in early votes in case he flipped but then moved away when the suspicion died down. TBD

[Alison]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

I thought you were supposed to follow the white rabbit.

[Transcend]

Also, rondo is now voting ender

I'm not rlly vibin with this dude, so i'd be content if he got done away with sooner rather than later

But tbh he's not a good d1 lynch (i've seen a few ppl use this word but some ppl deem this word socially unacceptable, if anyone is offended lmk)

[Alison]

Kami is not the move because

Transcend makes a good point of Hollow making a town slip on having 3, not 4, mafia guesses. Might put Hollow in town core, at least I'm not voting him day 1.

Except replace hollow with kami

It's kinda stupid but I think it's probably accurate. Plus her stubbornness was kinda towny despite being a bit extra.

Alison: I'm not gonna quote the post to avoid this one being lengthy but I don't rly agree with ur tr on rondo. To me it read as a giant novel just to explain that he was omgusing until further notice, and also him blaming made for bringing suspicion onto him where it was Syn who brought up his silent vote, I reminded everyone of what they said and Made and a few others agreed. I think sring the spot would be a stretch at this moment but I def didn't find the post towny.

U did seem at least concerned enough about finger to question how she arrived at tvt on epi and Sean. Have u read my wall dissecting her entire post? I feel that mega post is loaded w red flags from her. I want ur thoughts on it if u get the chance.

I don't give townpoints for a derpclear like that. It could easily be expressing a POE even - these are the three names I suspect. Not like she was claiming that was the exact mafia team.

Rondo's giant post is very clearly roleplay. It can be summed up as follows: "My naked vote was nothing but a reaction test. I think it's scummy Made tried to shift pressure off him by attacking an LHF slot who wasn't around to defend themselves." This is a perfectly reasonable post and it is slightly townie that they are actually making reads and not just screwing around like many wolves do when they play on gimmick accounts.

I have concerns about finger yes. She has done nothing townie and in my experience she is a billboard as town. I agree with your call that calling Sean/Epi TvT could be possible TMI, and have questioned her reasons for reading them as such. I'm not concerned about the "thread consensus parroting", she does that as town too. I'm "meh" on the point about Made suspicion. She thinks the points against Made are good, but thinks one specific point is bad. It's whatever. I think your point about her not specifying why Ender was different and taking a hedgey stance towards him was good.

[Transcend]

Meh the biggest red flag for me was her stance on Made. It was rly wishy-washy but *shrug*

Spoiler: show

also the fact that she responded to ur post but not mine

[fingersplints]

I only play from my phone so difficult to break apart in a nice way. Sorry look for this

I’m finished reading now. Still need some time to think, but immediate reactions are

I think Seanzie vs Epi is probably town vs town. Just a feeling if one of them was a wolf they would have moved on or let it go sooner or something.

In all seriousness, I really just don't like this call. I don't really recall them taking too long to move on from their little spat. I don't think this is a genuine take because it doesn't really tell me that you're sorting their alignments as much as making a call. I'd be much more willing to believe ur read has merit if u discussed how their posts were towny but saying something like "they'd just back off from each other if scum" doesn't display much genuine thought behind it imo.
I don’t know what you mean by that I’m not “sorting their alignments” as I said I thought it was town vs town. Seems to be pretty sorted too me.

Day 1 I mainly play off vibes, which is why I don’t have any strong cases going or a lot of quotes in that post. (Again I play on phone so it’s a pain) If something struck me as particularly odd I would question it, but these were just my general feelings based off tone and posting.

I’ve never played with Transcend before, but I think they come off all right so far.

I think I see some of what I associate with town Alison. Not enough to defend or vote to save or anything at this point, but I think she’s ok for now.

While you have a 100% conclusion, and another one that I'm pretty sure is accurate, these both feel very level 0 and tbh kinda appear as pocket attempts. Nothing u say here really goes against thread consensus and it makes me doubt that ur reads come from a genuine place.

I’m not going to not give an opinion because it’s popular, and I like to get my thoughts out there when I have them. I don’t care to “pocket” and it wouldn’t work for how I play anyways.

I’ve seen some decent points made about Made but at least one I disagree with ( the posts about him conveniently returning to the thread as if scum buddies told them to get in. That’s almost never actually the case. People just post when they want to) did I read correctly he had 6 votes at one point though? That seems a lot for this early.

This one was the very worst imo. U don't highlight any of the points u agree w on Made. To me it seems like ur sugarcoating the suspicion here, but u have no actual conviction behind it. As for the return at the convenient time, he already addressed that he was @'d by Alison so that theory has been long dismissed, and in the end u also point out that the early bw was in your words "a lot for this early". It seems like u don't think he's mafia here, but the beginning of ur post throws shade towards him.

I don’t highlight points because I don’t have a strong suspicion of Made at this point. I can see some sense to some of the points, but not enough to follow them. If anything the votes sticks out more to me than the points at this point.

EnderWiggin seems very different then the last game I played with him when he was town. Just something I’m watching.

I’m trying to remember if there was anything else but my kids demanding attention

I don't rely on meta that heavily but honestly u could have pointed out why he is appearing different, instead of just saying that he appears different.

I have limited experience there. Last game they were one of the few trying to keep the thread on task and working hard to find the scum. Not seeing that this game, but it’s still early so I don’t feel comfortable with being day 1 and my limited background there to say that this is because they are definitely a wolf yet.

TL;DR u have a lot of shallow, unexplained takes most of which don't really defy general thread consensus and show a alarmingly high lack of thought and conviction behind them. U throw shade on certain ppl but don't back it up either.

I wouldn’t expect a ton more from me on Day 1. Unfortunately this is kind of how I play.

I'm aware that u seem to have kid(s) and that ur full attention might not have been devoted to the thread at this time, but to me it came off pretty bad and imma need u to do a better job at convincing me that what u said actually had true conviction behind it cause rn it definitely doesn't.

I'm sure this isn't a birthday present u really want but that do be the way the cookie crumbles.

[VOTE: finger] aubergine

[Kami]

hollowkat/trans/falcon gg ez

This is a terrible solve.

good thing no one asked

[falcon45ca]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

I thought you were supposed to follow the white rabbit.

You're voting Made in the poll

[Alison]

1. Depends on the person if they would love that as a wolf. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wolf Seanzie before, and tbh I wouldn’t say it’s out of the possibility for a wolf Epi to act in this manner, but just seems more likely to be town to me based on tone. Back to Seanzie, he seemed frustrated at Epi’s stubbornness at times but the questioning still seemed like he was still genuinely trying to solve.

2. If the 6 votes had stayed longer, it would have made me feel like perhaps Made was just an easy target for wolves. But I’m wondering if there is any merit to the points and if some were just scum buddies getting in early votes in case he flipped but then moved away when the suspicion died down. TBD

1) It sounds like you're changing your story then. You say that Epi vs Seanzie is TvT, because a wolf would have broken it off earlier. But then you say that you don't know either of them well enough to say that they would definitely break it off as a wolf (and admit that it's well within Epi's scumrange), and the real reason they are TvT is that Seanzie's frustration is genuine.

What about Epi? You say that it's well within the realms of possibility for a wolf Epi to hold onto the argument, so what makes you certain his side of it is T?

2) Would you say you have a firm scumread on Made now?

[falcon45ca]

hollowkat/trans/falcon gg ez

This is a terrible solve.

good thing no one asked

This is just not helpful or polite, regardless of alignment.

[Alison]

It read to me initially as though you were suggesting that Made was town being run up by wolves when you mentioned the quick confluence of votes on him, which is why I'm surprised that you now seem to be scumreading Made.

[fingersplints]

Meh the biggest red flag for me was her stance on Made. It was rly wishy-washy but *shrug*

Spoiler: show

also the fact that she responded to ur post but not mine

Your post took longer to respond to so I did Alisons first

[Kami]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

[Alison]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

I thought you were supposed to follow the white rabbit.

You're voting Made in the poll

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@hollowkatt switched my vote

[Alison]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I got voted out by mafia in the worst CFD I have ever seen after misreading you D1 in one game.

That must mean that I suck at reading you and am not allowed to push you ever again despite you having reads that are both awful, unexplained and probably TMI.

[Kami]

Kami: The dog stuff is scummy

Transcend: I do that every game

Kami: I don't trust meta.

What in the blue fuck...

If I haven't played with someone meta doesn't matter to me and anyones opinion on it won't either.
It doesn't really matter if he does it every game, because i seriously doubt he does it to the degree he did this game otherwise he's not actually playing WW 90% of his posts?

[fingersplints]

1. Depends on the person if they would love that as a wolf. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wolf Seanzie before, and tbh I wouldn’t say it’s out of the possibility for a wolf Epi to act in this manner, but just seems more likely to be town to me based on tone. Back to Seanzie, he seemed frustrated at Epi’s stubbornness at times but the questioning still seemed like he was still genuinely trying to solve.

2. If the 6 votes had stayed longer, it would have made me feel like perhaps Made was just an easy target for wolves. But I’m wondering if there is any merit to the points and if some were just scum buddies getting in early votes in case he flipped but then moved away when the suspicion died down. TBD

1) It sounds like you're changing your story then. You say that Epi vs Seanzie is TvT, because a wolf would have broken it off earlier. But then you say that you don't know either of them well enough to say that they would definitely break it off as a wolf (and admit that it's well within Epi's scumrange), and the real reason they are TvT is that Seanzie's frustration is genuine.

What about Epi? You say that it's well within the realms of possibility for a wolf Epi to hold onto the argument, so what makes you certain his side of it is T?

2) Would you say you have a firm scumread on Made now?

Not changing my story. Just elaborating on my mentality. I absolutely know Epi quite well, and I’m not “certain” of anything. I’m basing my feeling on him here from having seen him be voted off early quite regularly as town for similar behaviour.

2. I don’t have a firm scumread on anyone at this point. I might lean scum there. Firm, no

[Kami]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I got voted out by mafia in the worst CFD I have ever seen after misreading you D1 in one game.

That must mean that I suck at reading you and am not allowed to push you ever again despite you having reads that are both awful, unexplained and probably TMI.

Naw I think it was your own actions that put you in that position

[Kami]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I got voted out by mafia in the worst CFD I have ever seen after misreading you D1 in one game.

That must mean that I suck at reading you and am not allowed to push you ever again despite you having reads that are both awful, unexplained and probably TMI.

Meh the biggest red flag for me was her stance on Made. It was rly wishy-washy but *shrug*

Spoiler: show

also the fact that she responded to ur post but not mine

How was it wishy washy though? When did I ever make any other read other than I think made is town?
Do you not know what wishy washy means?

[hollowkatt]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

I thought you were supposed to follow the white rabbit.

tbh I have no idea what my character does in the Batman Animated Universe lol

[Kami]

I mean the fact I hard pushed falcon and he completely avoided it means he's outted scum tbh

[Alison]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I got voted out by mafia in the worst CFD I have ever seen after misreading you D1 in one game.

That must mean that I suck at reading you and am not allowed to push you ever again despite you having reads that are both awful, unexplained and probably TMI.

Naw I think it was your own actions that put you in that position

You can continue being misinformed about what happened in Lasagna Mafia if you'd like. As I recall I was voting actual mafia before Hyena CFDed me and claimed an N0 on Creature to save their skins.

Regardless that has no impact on what's going on this game. You have given me three reads that I strongly disagree with with zero explanation for two of them and a bad explanation for one (trying hard to ignore people pointing out that Transcend has a meta of doing this every game). If your only defense against me pointing out how wolfy this is is "you misread me once >:(" then you are essentially proffering no defense at all to the specific charges I have laid against you this game.

[Transcend]

Meh the biggest red flag for me was her stance on Made. It was rly wishy-washy but *shrug*

Spoiler: show

also the fact that she responded to ur post but not mine

Your post took longer to respond to so I did Alisons first

Np

Ur response to me was decent and I understand not rlly being able to contribute to the thread as much cause it seems like ur a parent.

Unfortunately, I still get no sense that all ur takes exactly come from a genuine place instead of having reads for the sake of having reads.

In particular i'm most worried about how u handled and are still handling made. He's unarguably had the most attention this game and u seem to be giving ppl the green light to vote him, but u have raised points for him being possibly town. It sorta looks like ur having others do ur dirty work while not getting blood on ur hands.

But eh. I get d1 is rough, but i'd like to hear ur biggest sus rn and like one or two reasons to justify such. I hope that's not asking for too much.

[hollowkatt]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I seem to remember you hard defending wolves that game, so maybe lets not throw stones

[falcon45ca]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

I thought you were supposed to follow the white rabbit.

tbh I have no idea what my character does in the Batman Animated Universe lol

I can help. Who is it?

[hollowkatt]

Alison is my white rabbit
[VOTE: made] aubergine

I thought you were supposed to follow the white rabbit.

You're voting Made in the poll

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@hollowkatt switched my vote

[VOTE: kami] aubergine

[Transcend]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I got voted out by mafia in the worst CFD I have ever seen after misreading you D1 in one game.

That must mean that I suck at reading you and am not allowed to push you ever again despite you having reads that are both awful, unexplained and probably TMI.

Meh the biggest red flag for me was her stance on Made. It was rly wishy-washy but *shrug*

Spoiler: show

also the fact that she responded to ur post but not mine

How was it wishy washy though? When did I ever make any other read other than I think made is town?
Do you not know what wishy washy means?

I wasn't talking about U

Ur read on Made was fine

This was about finger

[hollowkatt]

Kami: The dog stuff is scummy

Transcend: I do that every game

Kami: I don't trust meta.

What in the blue fuck...

If I haven't played with someone meta doesn't matter to me and anyones opinion on it won't either.
It doesn't really matter if he does it every game, because i seriously doubt he does it to the degree he did this game otherwise he's not actually playing WW 90% of his posts?

wait hang on lemme get this right:
Meta doesn't matter to you unless you personally experience it? oof that's awful

[falcon45ca]

I mean the fact I hard pushed falcon and he completely avoided it means he's outted scum tbh

I avoided it? How?



Oh, you mean cuz I don't care. Well, that's totally different

[Kami]

[VOTE: Kami] aubergine

@EnderWiggin Sheep me.

You literally got voted day 1 while saying I was 100% mafia last game begging people to vote me, maybe don't ask anyone to sheep you if you can't read someone at all.
Or maybe you like getting embarrassed

I got voted out by mafia in the worst CFD I have ever seen after misreading you D1 in one game.

That must mean that I suck at reading you and am not allowed to push you ever again despite you having reads that are both awful, unexplained and probably TMI.

Naw I think it was your own actions that put you in that position

You can continue being misinformed about what happened in Lasagna Mafia if you'd like. As I recall I was voting actual mafia before Hyena CFDed me and claimed an N0 on Creature to save their skins.

Regardless that has no impact on what's going on this game. You have given me three reads that I strongly disagree with with zero explanation for two of them and a bad explanation for one (trying hard to ignore people pointing out that Transcend has a meta of doing this every game). If your only defense against me pointing out how wolfy this is is "you misread me once >:(" then you are essentially proffering no defense at all to the specific charges I have laid against you this game.

What is there to defend against? You disagree with how I read people in WW that's not my problem. I will always ignore meta I do not know and you are free to think that's scummy.

[hollowkatt]

can made/kami be partnered? I'm too lazy to look

[Kami]

I mean the fact I hard pushed falcon and he completely avoided it means he's outted scum tbh

I avoided it? How?



Oh, you mean cuz I don't care. Well, that's totally different

Naw it's a fact mafia are more likely to ignore accusations to avoid making themselves look bad, also out of all my posts all you had to comment on was one irrelevant part. Shows you aren't even attempting to solve the posts.

[Alison]

What is there to defend against? You disagree with how I read people in WW that's not my problem. I will always ignore meta I do not know and you are free to think that's scummy.

Why is Made the towniest person in the thread?

Why is falcon scum?

[Alison]

I know you've said he's scum for ignoring the accusations you made against him, but what were those initial accusations founded on in the first place?

[Alison]

can made/kami be partnered? I'm too lazy to look

I think the way Kami is treating Made is more like her TMI-ing him town than them being partners. Which is part of why I am shifting to Kami over Made.

[falcon45ca]

I mean the fact I hard pushed falcon and he completely avoided it means he's outted scum tbh

I avoided it? How?



Oh, you mean cuz I don't care. Well, that's totally different

Naw it's a fact mafia are more likely to ignore accusations to avoid making themselves look bad, also out of all my posts all you had to comment on was one irrelevant part. Shows you aren't even attempting to solve the posts.

Geez, you're such a pro I wonder why you even bother to play the game!

[hollowkatt]

I mean the fact I hard pushed falcon and he completely avoided it means he's outted scum tbh

I avoided it? How?



Oh, you mean cuz I don't care. Well, that's totally different

Naw it's a fact mafia are more likely to ignore accusations to avoid making themselves look bad, also out of all my posts all you had to comment on was one irrelevant part. Shows you aren't even attempting to solve the posts.

look mate, it's D1, ignoring pushes is not AI.

[Kami]

What is there to defend against? You disagree with how I read people in WW that's not my problem. I will always ignore meta I do not know and you are free to think that's scummy.

Why is Made the towniest person in the thread?

Why is falcon scum?

I read made's posts and they were towny
I read falcons and they were all wolfy