Batman: The Animated Series mafia win

[Alison]

@Alison does Epi case people day 1 as a wolf

No idea. I think it's been literally a year since I last saw him wolf and I don't recall if he cased people day 1 there.

[Syn]

Apologies to those of you who have rightly insisted that I have said very little while also saying quite a lot. It was necessary to stave off the wolves (Or Bats?) lurking at the threshold due to my lack of communication. However I am happy to announce that yours truly has managed to read through all missives provided so far.

Now I will not bore your most regal selves by re-treading common ground and provide to you a list I have prepared most secretly. By watching you all interact and taking in to account the majority of our collective is one with pure purpose. I will not expound in great detail as to why I have come to the conclusions that I have, but know this. They are not taken lightly. That said all stances are only temporary and liable to change as to be most honest I am unfamiliar with you all. With that in mind I ask you all to take in my list and when you have time, cast your eyes back over my previous missives and read the first letters of each paragraph. Ever watchful - Rondo Dim Buckle.

Name---------Score-----AI+---------------AI-
Alison----------8-------6 Positive------1 Negative
Lime Coke-------6-------4 Positive------1 Negative
Seanzie---------6-------6 Positive------2 Negative
Trancend--------4-------5 Positive------2 Negative
Ender Wiggin----2-------1 Positive------0 Negative
RondoDimBuckle--2-------2 Positive------1 Negative
Epignosis-------1-------2 Positive------3 Negative
Esooa----------=-1------2 Positive------2 Negative
Syn------------=-1------2 Positive -----2 Negative
Hollowkatt-----=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Kami-----------=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Falcon45ca-----=-5------3 Positive------5 Negative
Fingersplints--=-6------0 Positive------3 Negative
Made-----------=-12-----3 Positive------8 Negative
Notanaxehole---=-130----No Posts--------No Posts
------------------------------------------------

Why do you have yourself as 1 Negative? Also haven't you made literally 2 posts so far, how do you have 2 positive 1 negative for yourself?

Great question! Because these are all the reads from everyone across the board. If four among us can not be trusted to tell the truth, then surely the majority of us will show something worth seeing. That being said I believe I failed to point out that just because someone is negative it does not mean they are scum. Just that a majority of reads at the time place them below no alignment.

But this of course will need to be adjusted since Majisters Esooa and Trancend have fleshed out their neutral choices.

this is not what you said to me when I asked about the tallying system

[Alison]

I'm afraid that's rather shortsighted of you.

Guilty people use qualifying language far more than innocent people, especially those who are afraid of being caught. Adverbs are qualifiers (and the worst ones). Weasel words and hedging language also factor into what I look for. All of these things are present in Ender's posts.

Is it foolproof? No. It's an indicator.

I think scum hedging tends to operate in the form of leaving options open for themselves later on rather than just expressing uncertainty or using qualifying language. "I think Epignosis is town but not sure" is not scummy; "Epignosis could be town for X, but he did Y which is kinda scummy... not sure overall" is more towards the scum-hedging side because it leaves open the path to read Epignosis either way you like later on without any accountability. In that context I think the hedging you've identified in Ender's posts isn't that scummy.

[Lime Coke]

I'm going to bed. I'll try to be on, like I said I doubt I'm on until like 30 minutes to deadline. Hopefully nothing crazy happens.

Night everyone!

[Syn]

I'm going to bed. I'll try to be on, like I said I doubt I'm on until like 30 minutes to deadline. Hopefully nothing crazy happens.

Night everyone!

sweet dreams puddin'

[Alison]

All the wolves are voting made btw omegalul

You think all wolves are piling on the same LHF D1?

[Alison]

Not into the HK push. I don't think he's been flying under the radar that much. He just had a big argument with Kami.

I rescind my Rondo townread. I read his wallpost and all it does is summarize the reads that players have given in the game without adding his own thoughts to it.

Sus post btw, you dip in for this soft defense of HK but you completely twist the events and then leave.
HK was called out for being under the radar way before we argued, so at the time he was getting pushed he 100% was under the radar.

Also how could you ever townread rondo to begin with?

Why would a mafia member pursuing a UTR strat suddenly strike up a huge argument with another player? Unless the narrative is "HK was trying to be UTR as mafia, was called out on it, and then attacked another player to allay suspicions", but I don't see why that's more likely than just "HK had a quiet entrance and then got into an argument like he always does".

I've already given my reasons for townreading Rondo at the time.

[Kami]

Not into the HK push. I don't think he's been flying under the radar that much. He just had a big argument with Kami.

I rescind my Rondo townread. I read his wallpost and all it does is summarize the reads that players have given in the game without adding his own thoughts to it.

Sus post btw, you dip in for this soft defense of HK but you completely twist the events and then leave.
HK was called out for being under the radar way before we argued, so at the time he was getting pushed he 100% was under the radar.

Also how could you ever townread rondo to begin with?

Why would a mafia member pursuing a UTR strat suddenly strike up a huge argument with another player? Unless the narrative is "HK was trying to be UTR as mafia, was called out on it, and then attacked another player to allay suspicions", but I don't see why that's more likely than just "HK had a quiet entrance and then got into an argument like he always does".

I've already given my reasons for townreading Rondo at the time.

Person gets called out for doing something scummy, stops doing it.

Yeah checks out

[Kami]

Also you still twisted the events to defend him, why would you purposefully twist what happened to fit your narrative of hk town?

[Alison]

shit, I'm making wolfy posts again and transcend is gonna kill me

riddle me this, batman

what do you think about epignosis

Syn/Epi not w/w. Just noting this to myself for later.

really though?

Yeah. You don't go to someone under suspicion and go like "Hey but what about my Buddy."

Why not?

[Alison]

Also you still twisted the events to defend him, why would you purposefully twist what happened to fit your narrative of hk town?

I did not twist any events.

[Alison]

oh my fucking god Epi what are you even talking about?????? Bruh I hate it here

Epi just has the same attitude as Kami about meta tbh.

[Esooa]

oh my fucking god Epi what are you even talking about?????? Bruh I hate it here

Epi just has the same attitude as Kami about meta tbh.

yeah so 2 people did it which annoyed me

[Kami]

Also you still twisted the events to defend him, why would you purposefully twist what happened to fit your narrative of hk town?

I did not twist any events.

You did though, HK was called out for being UTR before the argument, which means the push was valid.

[Kami]

oh my fucking god Epi what are you even talking about?????? Bruh I hate it here

Epi just has the same attitude as Kami about meta tbh.

yeah so 2 people did it which annoyed me

cry about it

[Esooa]

oh my fucking god Epi what are you even talking about?????? Bruh I hate it here

Epi just has the same attitude as Kami about meta tbh.

yeah so 2 people did it which annoyed me

cry about it

I did earlier

[Kami]

oh my fucking god Epi what are you even talking about?????? Bruh I hate it here

Epi just has the same attitude as Kami about meta tbh.

yeah so 2 people did it which annoyed me

cry about it

I did earlier

thats cute

[Esooa]

oh my fucking god Epi what are you even talking about?????? Bruh I hate it here

Epi just has the same attitude as Kami about meta tbh.

yeah so 2 people did it which annoyed me

cry about it

I did earlier

thats cute

[Alison]

Also you still twisted the events to defend him, why would you purposefully twist what happened to fit your narrative of hk town?

I did not twist any events.

You did though, HK was called out for being UTR before the argument, which means the push was valid.

Syn said: HK is UTR.
HK engages in an argument with you.
I say: HK is not UTR, he just engaged in an argument with you. I don't see a reason to exe HK.

How is that twisting events? HK is no longer hiding UTR, he's out and arguing with people.

[Transcend]

aiite so before i go for the night i wanna leave u all with this

made currently has 45 posts in his iso

20 of them were made before suspicion started pouring on him (which was fairly early in the game) and the other 25 were afterwards. that's nearly half during the first few hours of the game, and then a little bit over half over the rest of the game.

him being under the radar makes me think that he wants to not step on any feet after the fairly large bw on him, because he was sure able to post for the first few hours of the game

coupled by the fact that his reads just don't feel natural and have bits of tmi in it, i'm pretty sure this is a hit and if it is a hit, we're in a pree good spot.

in a world where made is yeeted as red and i die tonight i implore ppl to look at the early wagon cause the buildup of it was kinda sus, but i feel it's possible that someone bussed to get towncred cause in that moment he was p much caught w his pants down

doggy out <3

[Kami]

Also you still twisted the events to defend him, why would you purposefully twist what happened to fit your narrative of hk town?

I did not twist any events.

You did though, HK was called out for being UTR before the argument, which means the push was valid.

Syn said: HK is UTR.
HK engages in an argument with you.
I say: HK is not UTR, he just engaged in an argument with you. I don't see a reason to exe HK.

How is that twisting events? HK is no longer hiding UTR, he's out and arguing with people.

Because youre saying you didn't like the push, but the push happened before why youre saying the push is bad.
So yeah you twisted events to defend hk?

He was UTR until called out, the push is valid.

[Kami]

aiite so before i go for the night i wanna leave u all with this

made currently has 45 posts in his iso

20 of them were made before suspicion started pouring on him (which was fairly early in the game) and the other 25 were afterwards. that's nearly half during the first few hours of the game, and then a little bit over half over the rest of the game.

him being under the radar makes me think that he wants to not step on any feet after the fairly large bw on him, because he was sure able to post for the first few hours of the game

coupled by the fact that his reads just don't feel natural and have bits of tmi in it, i'm pretty sure this is a hit and if it is a hit, we're in a pree good spot.

in a world where made is yeeted as red and i die tonight i implore ppl to look at the early wagon cause the buildup of it was kinda sus, but i feel it's possible that someone bussed to get towncred cause in that moment he was p much caught w his pants down

doggy out <3

we win if we vote hk day 1 we lose if we vote made day 1

[Alison]

Town
Falcon45ca
Lime coke
Syn
Transcend

Towny
Seanzie
Kami
Enderwiggin
Alison

PoE
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Hollowkatt
Made
Notanaxehole
Rondodimbuckle

Why is Syn top town

[Transcend]

also i still stand by the fact that made + ender had weird interactions but ender was kinda towny not that long ago so it could just be made trying to force dialogue to appear town

ok goodbye for reals now

[Alison]

Also you still twisted the events to defend him, why would you purposefully twist what happened to fit your narrative of hk town?

I did not twist any events.

You did though, HK was called out for being UTR before the argument, which means the push was valid.

Syn said: HK is UTR.
HK engages in an argument with you.
I say: HK is not UTR, he just engaged in an argument with you. I don't see a reason to exe HK.

How is that twisting events? HK is no longer hiding UTR, he's out and arguing with people.

Because youre saying you didn't like the push, but the push happened before why youre saying the push is bad.
So yeah you twisted events to defend hk?

He was UTR until called out, the push is valid.

I said I'm not feeling the HK wagon, not that Syn was scum for making the HK push.

I don't care whether the push was "valid" at the time, the evidence available to me right now suggests zero good reason to vote HK.

[Kami]

trans ur making reads up LMAO
when did anyone TMI? Made surely didn't.

Saying someone is TMI seems like a mafia slip considering it's basically an excuse to call someone mafia with zero back up behind it, just a throw away phrase to seem solvey

[Esooa]

trans ur making reads up LMAO
when did anyone TMI? Made surely didn't.

Saying someone is TMI seems like a mafia slip considering it's basically an excuse to call someone mafia with zero back up behind it, just a throw away phrase to seem solvey

Trans is pretty blatant town

[Kami]

trans ur making reads up LMAO
when did anyone TMI? Made surely didn't.

Saying someone is TMI seems like a mafia slip considering it's basically an excuse to call someone mafia with zero back up behind it, just a throw away phrase to seem solvey

Trans is pretty blatant town

Bullshit that post was terrible and not towny at all, take a nap or something

[Esooa]

trans ur making reads up LMAO
when did anyone TMI? Made surely didn't.

Saying someone is TMI seems like a mafia slip considering it's basically an excuse to call someone mafia with zero back up behind it, just a throw away phrase to seem solvey

Trans is pretty blatant town

Bullshit that post was terrible and not towny at all, take a nap or something

What alignment do you think I am?

[Alison]

is it safe to come out now

TS has always been LGBT friendly

im g-g-gaathering a feeling that the e/e exchange albeit annoying both came off villagery from it

and also i really like brad's takes on ender and i am going to parrot them myself until i feel the need to not do such anymore

i think we need to settle on a vote soon or at least i want to cause i'm probs gonna oversleep eod lol

i was rly hoping to hear from finger cause she's probs my #1 sus rn but sometimes u just don't get what u want in life

so what does everyone think is the best move?

of the current wagons my only opinion is "not Kami"

Why not Kami

[Kami]

trans ur making reads up LMAO
when did anyone TMI? Made surely didn't.

Saying someone is TMI seems like a mafia slip considering it's basically an excuse to call someone mafia with zero back up behind it, just a throw away phrase to seem solvey

Trans is pretty blatant town

Bullshit that post was terrible and not towny at all, take a nap or something

What alignment do you think I am?

Why are you changing the topic?

[Esooa]

Bullshit that post was terrible and not towny at all, take a nap or something

What alignment do you think I am?

Why are you changing the topic?

What alignment do you think I am?

[Kami]

I seriously doubt trans could show me a single post by made that seems TMI.
Because it's a fake reason to scum read him.

[Kami]

Bullshit that post was terrible and not towny at all, take a nap or something

What alignment do you think I am?

Why are you changing the topic?

What alignment do you think I am?

Why are you changing the topic?

[Alison]

i'd be fine if made/hollow competed

don't rly think anyone would have a problem with that

epi is... unique to say the least, i wouldn't vote him out today

I would prefer Made/Kami

[Esooa]

[v]kami[/v]

[Kami]

[v]kami[/v]

Why are you changing the topic off the fact trans got caught making up reasons to scum read someone to get a misslynch?

[Alison]

@Alison hi

hi

[Alison]

Oh hey, Rondo, good to see you.

Why thank you Lime Coke, I have been hard pressed to leave my personal projects for the betterment of Seythetis.

I had hoped to catch the meeting in session.

Things that have caught my attention:
High Majister Wiggins claiming to follow Alisons lead to change it later, I do not think it is telling in either way but It is something I have taken note of.
Epignosis has previously called for a vote on Made while having not voted for them at the time. Rightly it was pointed out at the time that seemed to be manipulation
Majister Esooa has at multiple times called for appeals to emotion from my view in regards to swaying the early sleeping vote, perceived trolling of the game causing a tunnel vision and lastly a divestment of stock.
Falcon45ca has voted for Made as a possible imposter in our midst but has not moved their vote since. Which I believe is interesting. We will see how that pans out.
While most have descended into bickering and accusations it is noted that Majister Fingersplints has yet to level any accusations directly.
You yourself Lime Coke have been vocal at not entertaining the idea that Majister Syn could be compromised and I do not believe I could find any talk of why you switched your vote to Kami, though I myself have a tendency to do that as well.
Made is an interesting quandary where they joined the sleep vote early to later condemn such actions the reversal of position is explained later, but to what level of acceptability is still to be decided. Secondarily the eagerness of many to vote made causes me to pause and think how many of those wanting to deal with them could be working against us.


While not everything I have noticed these are the highest concerns in my mind.

I am interested in the opinions of the council so I will open it up to the floor.

So the actual reads in this post:

1) Epi is scummy for asking people to vote Made while not voting Made himself.
2) The quickness of the Made wagon means Made could have been run up by mafia.

The rest is straight IIOA.

Would be happy to kill this slot.

[Kami]

Trans ur active in the thread why arent u responding, show me the tmi

[Transcend]

Let’s do this [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Strange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?

Nah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worst

Rondo's read is clean.

here's my rainbow tier list. tiers aren't organized internally, except for the bad group. I want to reread the last time I was sus of falcon to see if i'm just not liking post style tho.

seanzie
trendscend
Rando
Kami

Epi
LC
Rest

Syn
Alison
Esooa
Falcon

I'm not really read since last night, and i'm tired af, so i'm prob not gonna read right now

if u rlly want it that badly then here u go

these posts were both rlly bad and they ooze w tmi especially the second one given that rondo's previous post was literally just summarizing everyone's reads, and not giving his own reads yet made over here says it's so clean

now let me lurk the thread in peace

[Transcend]

and do me a favor and don't get urself lynched cause ur en route to doing such when we have what i think is a pretty good set of competing wagons

[Alison]

I'm tired and going to bed. Here's where I'm at.

Strong Town: Falcon45ca, Lime Coke, Transcend, EnderWiggin
Town Lean: Esooa, Hollowkatt, Seanzie
Null: Epignosis, Notanaxehole
Upper POE: Syn, Fingersplints
Lower POE: Kami, Made, Rondo

Good night.

[Kami]

Let’s do this [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Strange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?

Nah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worst

Rondo's read is clean.

here's my rainbow tier list. tiers aren't organized internally, except for the bad group. I want to reread the last time I was sus of falcon to see if i'm just not liking post style tho.

seanzie
trendscend
Rando
Kami

Epi
LC
Rest

Syn
Alison
Esooa
Falcon

I'm not really read since last night, and i'm tired af, so i'm prob not gonna read right now

if u rlly want it that badly then here u go

these posts were both rlly bad and they ooze w tmi especially the second one given that rondo's previous post was literally just summarizing everyone's reads, and not giving his own reads yet made over here says it's so clean

now let me lurk the thread in peace

There is nothing TMI about that reads list, so stop misusing a term to try and misslynch someone

[Kami]

I'm tired and going to bed. Here's where I'm at.

Strong Town: Falcon45ca, Lime Coke, Transcend, EnderWiggin
Town Lean: Esooa, Hollowkatt, Seanzie
Null: Epignosis, Notanaxehole
Upper POE: Syn, Fingersplints
Lower POE: Kami, Made, Rondo

Good night.

Fake reads list, me and made most obvious townies in the thread.
Rondo sus is also weak and pointless and there is no reason you should have epi null like a zero poster

[Kami]

Alison/HK/Trans/Falcon

Game is solved next

[RondoDimBuckle]

Town
Falcon45ca
Lime coke
Syn
Transcend

Towny
Seanzie
Kami
Enderwiggin
Alison

PoE
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Hollowkatt
Made
Notanaxehole
Rondodimbuckle

Bullshit that post was terrible and not towny at all, take a nap or something

What alignment do you think I am?

Why are you changing the topic?

What alignment do you think I am?

I am interested in why the sudden aggression on Kami who previously read as a soft safe read and now you believe is so hard corrupt that you are willing to vote? If we are to follow your reads you believe seven people are against us. Made, Not, Myself, HollowKatt, Fingersplints, Epignosis. The odds that you have misread the situation are high when there are only four of us we need to keep an eye out for? Assume of course we ommit the fact that you could be one of them as well. Bringing us up to eight.

Okay so I reread what happened from when I was at work....

Nothing much really changes...

Town:
Transcend
Alison
Syn
Sean
Esooa


Falcon has actually reappeared and posted decently enough. Made appeared and did a little bit of nothing from what I recall?

No idea what to call HallowKat right now. His thing of "policy yeeting" Kami for having apparent scum sided reads, or a past game where she's wolf sided is what's referenced, is something that I see myself doing as town. However these things never actually go through for what I recall since, again, I've done relatively the exact same thing.
The responses to being scumread and voted aren't really much. It's the same typical "You never read me right" response which I have no idea how to interpret alignment wise because I forget this shit happened once the game is over.

Everyone else I still need to get a hold of in terms of reading them.

That's not what happened though, I never said anything like that to hollowkatt lmao

I was saying he was talking about you scumsiding with your reads. Nothing about what you said about him.

you said I said "You never read me right" when I never discussed his ability to read me what so ever.
So why are you making things up?

That also was referencing what HallowKat was saying in response to Syn voting him, not you. That read is 100% talking about what HK was doing.

I'll make HK competing wagon for now.

If I get off any time soon just know that I'll HOPEFULLY be on before deadline. At the least I'll be on about 1:30 eastern time ((30 minutes before deadline)) which will be tough because I will miss whatever happens between when I leave and basically when EOD is occurring.

I would also like a clarification on the above. Are you saying you believe Hollowkat is giving off a soft safe tell then later deciding to jump on the wagon when you have made it clear you trust Made or Kami less? Not forgetting that you said at one point someone between Falcon45ca and Made has to be a traitor? Or have you since changed your stance on that?

Going from what I have been reading Essoa should be voting Epignosis, Fingersplints, Hollowkatt, Made, Notanaxehole or Myself and Lime Coke should be voting Kami or Made. However I could have misread the situation I await clarification. All the best, love and kisses, Rondo

[fingersplints]

I haven’t been posting because my birthday and then I caught up on sleep. Creating a life is tiring.

I’m sure there are other posts that address me, maybe I’ll do a search later, but if you have anything you want me to specifically address please ask me again.

@fingersplints Give me a top town and scumread, even if it's weak.

Not sure if this will be a popular opinion after the conversation as of late, but Epi is town. I’ve literally seen him do stuff like nitpick about an adverb before. It’s the English teacher in him coming out in his scum hunting.
And I understand what he is saying about not trusting someone else saying about “meta”. You don’t know anyone else’s alignment, so it’s totally fair to take statements like that with a grain of salt.
For example, here I am saying this is normal for Epi and I’m almost positive he is town, but it’ll be distrusted and discredited because I’m not in the “in crowd” and whatever I say gets read as scummy. But other people’s statements can’t be questioned because they know them best. Like I could probably bet money that this post will just be quoted with someone saying simply “wolfy” after it. Mafia is frustrating.

I don’t have a singular top scum read. My vote will likely go to Made primarily because of how the votes went down and then heat has just completely backed off, or Rondo because obvious.

[fingersplints]

I sorted everyone into a list for further clarification about where my thoughts stand.


Epignosis
Alison
Seanzie
Transcend

Kami
EnderWiggin

LimeCoke
Falcon
Hollowkatt
Syn
Esooa

Made
Rondo

N/A NAA

Most notably for me since my last posting is that I find I have felt better about EnderWiggin’s posting as of late. Not enough to put in my top town tier, but I thought he held up decently to Epi.

I don’t see the case on Kami. and have agreed with some comments. I’m starting to think that this is a similar case to myself that they just play a little differently.

[fingersplints]

No one is ever around when I am.