Batman: The Animated Series mafia win

[Seanzie]

Also only a wolf would be super concerned about how their actions would look when it comes to their alignment so you clearly have how people perceive you on your mind or you wouldnt of made that post

I wasn't concerned at EoD, but today it is clear I am a potential miselim and I don't feel like I'm adding much to the solve, so my best course of action is to just not get miselimed, and hopefully clear myself to make it easier for others to solve (I mean I'll help out with the solve as I can, but I haven't read large swaths of the game, so I'm not expecting people to sheep me on my takes). If that takes pointing out how obviously townie I was last night, I will. There are things that wolves just don't do. Sure, maybe 1 in a million will, but I was towny af and I know it. If you step back and think about it, you'll see it too.

[Seanzie]

So you're saying we should town read you because you made a perfomance of vote switching?

It wasn't performative, but yes, you should townread me. As I said, it was way outside my wolf range. I would have played conservatively, not drawn huge amounts of attention to myself in order to push tension into the thread.

Okay so why did you do it?
you even self voted like 4 times.

Why what was your motivation other than to have this excuse?

As I said, I was trying to push wagons around and add tension to the thread to see what happens. By setting up ties near EoD, people are forced to react, and in those high-tension situations, their actions are almost always AI. I was trying to see who was trying to protect whom and also possibly catch a scumteam trying to quick hammer to end the day with a quick unvote.

I self-voted myself once, possibly twice, and it was always to either bring things to a tie, or to dangle myself as bait close to the scum quickhammer threshold.

okay so what were your take away?

It was hard to tell, there weren't any clear defenses going on unfortunately, however I've been pretty clear that I think Rondo was likely a scum quickhammer, and that their wagon, and in particular the flood of votes that came in super quick, is rich with information.

[EnderWiggin]

So you're saying we should town read you because you made a perfomance of vote switching?

It wasn't performative, but yes, you should townread me. As I said, it was way outside my wolf range. I would have played conservatively, not drawn huge amounts of attention to myself in order to push tension into the thread.

Okay so why did you do it?
you even self voted like 4 times.

Why what was your motivation other than to have this excuse?

It was to make the EOD a camping trip.

Because he wanted to make sure it was in tents.

I'll see myself out.

[Kami]

Also only a wolf would be super concerned about how their actions would look when it comes to their alignment so you clearly have how people perceive you on your mind or you wouldnt of made that post

I wasn't concerned at EoD, but today it is clear I am a potential miselim and I don't feel like I'm adding much to the solve, so my best course of action is to just not get miselimed, and hopefully clear myself to make it easier for others to solve (I mean I'll help out with the solve as I can, but I haven't read large swaths of the game, so I'm not expecting people to sheep me on my takes). If that takes pointing out how obviously townie I was last night, I will. There are things that wolves just don't do. Sure, maybe 1 in a million will, but I was towny af and I know it. If you step back and think about it, you'll see it too.

no ones gonna vote antone but alion today

[Kami]

"There are things that wolves just don't do."

So yes they would do them to look townie bruh dont act dense about it lol

[Seanzie]

"There are things that wolves just don't do."

So yes they would do them to look townie bruh dont act dense about it lol

I'm not acting dense. You are pretending like wolves can just force themselves to be non-self conscious like a flip of the switch. Sure, wolves try to do things that appear townie, but that doesn't change the fact that there are things that are outside of their wolf range. That is exactly where there is a such thing as a wolf range, because people sometimes do things as town that they never would/could do as a wolf.

It really isn't that hard of a thing to grasp. Sure, there is an 1/1,000,000 exception, but it doesn't change the fact that I should be clear town at this point.

[Seanzie]

Does anyone have a good reason to townread Ender?

[Kami]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

[Seanzie]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. It is clear you aren't going to listen to what I say.

[Seanzie]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

I guess I should say that I more-or-less agree with you, but my actions are so far out of my wolf-range it isn't funny, and I think they are out of the collective wolf-range of like 99% of players.

[Esooa]

if you have time to be in thread probably the best thing you can do is ISO people to get more substantiated reads seanzie

[Seanzie]

So like, it isn't just "oh wolves switch things up". It is a question of how much they do that? How far can they push it?

[Seanzie]

if you have time to be in thread probably the best thing you can do is ISO people to get more substantiated reads seanzie

Eh, I can talk and respond, but I'm currently proctoring an exam, so I can't do any deep dives since I kind of need to focus on my students and pretend like me watching them on a Zoom call stops then from cheating.

[Epignosis]

if you have time to be in thread probably the best thing you can do is ISO people to get more substantiated reads seanzie

Eh, I can talk and respond, but I'm currently proctoring an exam, so I can't do any deep dives since I kind of need to focus on my students and pretend like me watching them on a Zoom call stops then from cheating.

Reported.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

Does anyone have a good reason to townread Ender?

Rondo (dead) towny townread me.
Esooa pointed out my dichotomy with NAA/Alison (both confirmed wolves now)
I hard publicly sheeped Alison D1, but I guess that's up to interpretation if I'd publicly sheep another wolf as wolf
My public reads have been very visible. Not exactly correct at times (Although I did pin NAA. I just had Alison on the townier end before the flip and discussion with Esooa)
I'm pretty cool?

That's all I got coach.

[Seanzie]

if you have time to be in thread probably the best thing you can do is ISO people to get more substantiated reads seanzie

Eh, I can talk and respond, but I'm currently proctoring an exam, so I can't do any deep dives since I kind of need to focus on my students and pretend like me watching them on a Zoom call stops then from cheating.

Reported.

What are you reporting? I could just not proctor my students at all, but I choose to in order to create security theatre.

[Epignosis]

if you have time to be in thread probably the best thing you can do is ISO people to get more substantiated reads seanzie

Eh, I can talk and respond, but I'm currently proctoring an exam, so I can't do any deep dives since I kind of need to focus on my students and pretend like me watching them on a Zoom call stops then from cheating.

Reported.

What are you reporting? I could just not proctor my students at all, but I choose to in order to create security theatre.

I'm telling the principal. Got her on the phone right now. She's coming down the hall. Better run.

[EnderWiggin]

@Esooa

I changed my mind.

Epi/Seanzie for last scum.

=P

[Esooa]

@Esooa

I changed my mind.

Epi/Seanzie for last scum.

=P

why

[EnderWiggin]

I'm joking that their last interaction was bad theatre.

[Seanzie]

if you have time to be in thread probably the best thing you can do is ISO people to get more substantiated reads seanzie

Eh, I can talk and respond, but I'm currently proctoring an exam, so I can't do any deep dives since I kind of need to focus on my students and pretend like me watching them on a Zoom call stops then from cheating.

Reported.

What are you reporting? I could just not proctor my students at all, but I choose to in order to create security theatre.

I'm telling the principal. Got her on the phone right now. She's coming down the hall. Better run.

Oh no.

Got any thoughts?

[Kami]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. It is clear you aren't going to listen to what I say.

What is their to listen to?
You're literally saying youre lock town for something everyone did EOD.
Literally everyone was vote switching lmao

[Kami]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

I guess I should say that I more-or-less agree with you, but my actions are so far out of my wolf-range it isn't funny, and I think they are out of the collective wolf-range of like 99% of players.

Says who?

[Alison]

Hey guys, what's up? I shouldn't really be posting here right now, I'm supposed to be doing an exam, but the proctor looks like he's not really paying attention on the Zoom call tbh so I thought I could sneak in a quick post or two.

[Seanzie]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. It is clear you aren't going to listen to what I say.

What is their to listen to?
You're literally saying youre lock town for something everyone did EOD.
Literally everyone was vote switching lmao

Nah, if you were paying attention my actions were diffferent. I was particularly creating ties and such to force people's hands. As I said though, your mind is made up, and at this point, us going back and forth doesn't do anything for the threadstate.

[Seanzie]

a good wolf mixes up their wolf range though

I guess I should say that I more-or-less agree with you, but my actions are so far out of my wolf-range it isn't funny, and I think they are out of the collective wolf-range of like 99% of players.

Says who?

Me. I literally said "I think".

[EnderWiggin]

Hey guys, what's up? I shouldn't really be posting here right now, I'm supposed to be doing an exam, but the proctor looks like he's not really paying attention on the Zoom call tbh so I thought I could sneak in a quick post or two.

Now this is quality lolcats.

[Kami]

naw my mind isnt made up you just need to stop using bad reasons to say ur lock clear
its anti town tbh

[falcon45ca]

Gotta gig tonight, so I will be AFK


See y'all tomorrow!

[EnderWiggin]

Gotta gig tonight, so I will be AFK


See y'all tomorrow!

Have fun.

[Seanzie]

naw my mind isnt made up you just need to stop using bad reasons to say ur lock clear
its anti town tbh

Your mind is made up on something that I think strongly points to me being town, but you refuse to accept.

I don't have a further reason for you to think I'm town, and I'm not going to argue about it any more. My play has been crap this game, and I honestly don't see it improving much. I'll try, but I just haven't been feeling it, and unless that changes, this is what you get. You can decide to think critically about my "bad reasons" and realize they aren't half bad, or you can act without that knowledge. It is up to you.

[Epignosis]

I was going to respond to individual posts as is my wont when reading the unread pages (and skipping the anime shit), but I don't feel the need. I can put it all in one tidy post (or not, as it turns out).

I noted that in more than two views, I am still a viable candidate for being mafia. I'd like to speak a few words in my defense before moving on to funner stuff. I normally wouldn't need to do this, but since so few of you have little if any experience with me, I'll oblige.

Some (notably, perhaps only, Ender) have gone through the trouble of looking at Alison's posts and making determinations about others, and that's fine, but what I'll do here is pull up my own posts for you to judge. I'll spoiler those in case you have already made up your mind on me (and are correct).

Before I do that, I want to preface this with what I see in our mafia team at present.

The first mafia member was completely absent Day 1 up until the very end, posting some votes but staying silent the entire time. This member promptly self-destructed.

The (presumably) second mafia member has had difficulty engaging the thread at all and then made a dubious Hail Mary of a Day 2 claim. Someone I consider usually enthusiastic about devious plots and tricking people could barely muster a thread presence. I sense a great deal of dissatisfaction, and from that, boredom.

This tells me we're dealing with a dysfunctional mafia team that is struggling more than the current polls would suggest.

I'll circle back to this later, but as it relates to me, if Alison and I were on the same mafia team, then at least half of that team would not be dysfunctional, and in the very least, I don't think Alison would exude those qualities I mentioned.

If you agree with me about the mafia team being dysfunctional (or in the very least, disorganized) and still have qualms about me, then I invite you to read the hidden bits below. If you've already made up your mind that I am not mafia (or if you are mafia), feel free to pass it by.


My treatment of Alison Day 1:

Spoiler: show

@Transcend A point has been made that Kami's general stubbornness, tantrum-throwing etc. is just indicative of her personality more than her alignment. How does this impact your read that her conviction/stubbornness makes her townie?

based on everything you're saying my read is starting to deteriorate ~slightly~. i don't think i'd vote her right now, let alone proxy vote but your words are pretty magical and you might be swinging me over to your side

Regardless of the situation, I am pretty much cemented on Alison being town once again. Her reasons for pushing Kami are pretty good, and even if Kami is willager, I don't really think scum!Alison would case someone so hard that she knows is town when they're probably just going to get mislynched at some point anyways.

At least, that's what I think.

Gonna be a no from me dawg.

"A point has been made that Kami's general stubbornness, tantrum-throwing "

Lol when did I ever throw a tantrum? You are legit making things up to push a misslynch and it's so transparent

Is Alison mafia?

town has no reason to lie

I don't agree, but your opinion is noted. Thanks.

The only reason to lie about the events in a game to fit your narrative when it comes to lynching someone is because you're a wolf and that's literally your job

I've lied many, many times as a civilian.

That's all I'm saying. It has no bearing here. I wanted your stance on Alison.

I think Alison and fingersplints are teammates.

Ahem.

I think Alison and fingersplints are teammates.

i like how this dude wants substantiated reads from all of us, yet plants a silent vote on alison out of seemingly nowhere

Yeah, what's my mafia game plan there?

(Don't know how this was a silent vote since I always call my vote in the thread)

Hey, Transcend. Why is Alison a civilian?

Here's why I suspect Alison:

Alison's posts are more concerned with proving people wrong rather than figuring people out. Alison is not a civilian.

If I were to add to my assessment, Alison sees civilians eating each other alive and sits back loving it. Alison is not a civilian.

@Alison

update us w/ full thoughts on the thread when u can

Is Alison a civilian to you and why do you think it?

put a gun to my head and i'mma say yea

her conviction seems pretty genuine and we've mindmelded a few times as well. i'm just not a fan of some of her conclusions but she explains all of them fairly well

That's what Alison does.

Alison is mafia. I guarantee it.

anyone who mindmelds that amount with me cant be mafia

This is nonsense and you know it.

Of course it is.

So what?

So Kami is making stuff up.

What stuff?

I am now at the hollowkatt modkill.

Esooa argued that Kami/Alison should be broken up because it was a bad tdome that was detrimental to thread health. Kami/HK was also a bad tdome that would have been detrimental to thread health even if HK hadn't been modkilled.

Transcend suggested she came into conflict with me because of playstyle differences; what are the odds of that happening twice, as opposed to the odds of her doing it on purpose?

Your equanimity is admirable.

None of what you've posted tells me what YOU think about anybody.

You are mafia and I think you are like me in the sense that even if you win, you hate to get caught.

I'm not sure why you're accusing me of not making it clear what I think, when my past few posts have all directly accused Kami and provided clear reasons why I think so. No, I'm not mafia.

And you're voting fingersplints anyway.

This is not civilian Alison.

Alison, what have you done to advance the civilian cause?

I have a town read on Epignosis.

I think he's locked town. This is NOT an angleshoot read, it is purely based on his play from earlier today.

I can't say exactly why, because it might not be nice... But Syn is probably town.

lol just caught up to the modkill

fuck

[[redacted]]

Transcend gets salty every time someone clears themselves via [[redacted]] and [[redacted]]. So I think he's just [[redacted]] mafia.

Axe is really obviously angleshooting people town and also really obviously giving himself the thinnest veneer of plausible deniability while ensuring that everyone else in the game knows exactly what he's talking about, which is kind of townie.

really obviously

You are mafia.

Alison, what have you done to advance the civilian cause?

Made reads, explained them, pushed them. I've found people I trust, and I'm working with them as best as I can to get to the best possible exe choice today. The same thing I do in all my town games.

What about you?

Drinking beer. Dicking around.

falcon is Alison's teammate.

Why is falcon my teammate?

You asked the same thing about fingersplints in exactly the same way.

I didn't answer.

You never pressed me on it.

You are not a civilian.

I don't follow up on all my questions. You vanished from the thread, I engaged with Kami and Esooa, and by the time we were both back in the thread together the threadstate was different and you weren't even voting splints any more.

I deliberately didn't answer your question.

I deliberately didn't answer your question.

Good for you. You have moved off splints and don't seem particularly interested in pushing her now so I figured you just changed your read.

So why do you think falcon and I are partners?

I think Falcon is mafia.

I think you are mafia,

Simple, really.

shoot Alison into the sun

The sun has rejected Alison, Alison is so bad.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Epi has also not explained why falcon is mafia. I thought he was obvious town even before the "BTSC" stuff. I suspect he does not actually have a case and just threw in a widely townread person to spice it up and make it look more authentic. I am sure he will say he intentionally didn't explain because it was his plan to reaction test me though.

There's no obvious town.

What makes him scum for you if nobody is townie?

Not what I said.

What makes him scum for you?

Falcon didn't give a shit on the HK + Made lynch. Falcon was comfortable letting this go. I said as much.

What made you think Falcon didn't give a shit, by the by?

He stood by giving a play by play. He didn't care who was lynched.

I'm caught up.

I think it's Epi and one of splints/Rondo. The case on me is crap and the timing was designed to draw heat away from the soft slots. Less likely splints than Rondo for obvious reasons. Syn could be in on it or just a townie with bad reads.

In this world it is probably not Kami because if the scum team wanted to drum up an Alison exe and she was on it they'd just send her to do it. I don't know who the last person is. It could be Ender fishing for a pocket and slowly withdrawing support as they move towards an Alison exe. It could just be someone like Axe who's afk watching as it happens. I'd prefer to flip Epi first, and ideally want Epi/Rondo wagons.

Not a reason.

That's a theory.

The reason I am voting you is that I think you are scum. The reason I think you are scum is that your case on me is bad and the timing of your case seems orchestrated to draw heat away from Rondo.

Nope. You're bad. I've been calling you bad for days. You just have the benefit of an audience.

There's no obvious town.

What makes him scum for you if nobody is townie?

Not what I said.

What makes him scum for you?

Falcon didn't give a shit on the HK + Made lynch. Falcon was comfortable letting this go. I said as much.

then why vote alison over falcon...

I suspect Alison more.

Why are you asking me, the mafia member this?

k well whatever

i was thinking of just getting rid of the 0 poster but it's time for u to be done away with

Dayvig: Epignosis

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Kill Alison after I'm gone.

So I'm going to go nuts.

Alison needs to die.

fingersplints maybe. I'm not sure but I would consider her.

I'll stop there because there used to be a character limit on posts and I don't know if there still is one.

If you believe this is how I treat a teammate Day 1, especially one I've never been teammates with, especially on a team with one no-show and who knows what else, I do not know what to tell you.

[Epignosis]

Hey guys, what's up? I shouldn't really be posting here right now, I'm supposed to be doing an exam, but the proctor looks like he's not really paying attention on the Zoom call tbh so I thought I could sneak in a quick post or two.

Imagine getting aggressive in online mafia with your teacher / student and neither of you being the wiser until...climax!

Excuse me I have a novel to write.

[Kami]

So you think the other mafia are people not so engaged>?

[EnderWiggin]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

[EnderWiggin]

Hey guys, what's up? I shouldn't really be posting here right now, I'm supposed to be doing an exam, but the proctor looks like he's not really paying attention on the Zoom call tbh so I thought I could sneak in a quick post or two.

Imagine getting aggressive in online mafia with your teacher / student and neither of you being the wiser until...climax!

Excuse me I have a novel to write.

Still a better lovestory than Twilight.

[Seanzie]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

And what do you make of that?

[EnderWiggin]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

And what do you make of that?

That either you're wolf or you're the first misyeet that the wolves are trying to achieve.

[Alison]

I used to be a big Twilight fangirl when I was like 9 or 10. I would hide under the covers and imagine myself as Bella.

Eventually I realized Edward was a stalker and stopped.

[EnderWiggin]

I used to be a big Twilight fangirl when I was like 9 or 10. I would hide under the covers and imagine myself as Bella.

Eventually I realized Edward was a stalker and stopped.

My younger brother once spent three hours trying to argue that I was over-reacting by calling Edward creepy.

Two years later he came back and admitted I was right.

[Epignosis]

So you think the other mafia are people not so engaged>?

I don't know that there is anyone at this point who is "not so engaged" (and I refer to that relatively speaking- I would expect Alison to be more engaged than NaA, for example). I'm looking for signs of a) Desperation (looking at falcon on this one) or b) Resignation.

[Seanzie]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

And what do you make of that?

That either you're wolf or you're the first misyeet that the wolves are trying to achieve.

I think there is a third option.

[EnderWiggin]

So you think the other mafia are people not so engaged>?

I don't know that there is anyone at this point who is "not so engaged" (and I refer to that relatively speaking- I would expect Alison to be more engaged than NaA, for example). I'm looking for signs of a) Desperation (looking at falcon on this one) or b) Resignation.

What about Seanzie? Do you think he fits into your worldview as scum?

[Epignosis]

I used to be a big Twilight fangirl when I was like 9 or 10. I would hide under the covers and imagine myself as Bella.

Eventually I realized Edward was a stalker and stopped.

My younger brother once spent three hours trying to argue that I was over-reacting by calling Edward creepy.

Two years later he came back and admitted I was right.

Stop talking about your new Batman overlord.

[EnderWiggin]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

And what do you make of that?

That either you're wolf or you're the first misyeet that the wolves are trying to achieve.

I think there is a third option.

What's that?

[Seanzie]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

And what do you make of that?

That either you're wolf or you're the first misyeet that the wolves are trying to achieve.

I think there is a third option.

What's that?

That you're a flame fanner.

[Kami]

I used to be a big Twilight fangirl when I was like 9 or 10. I would hide under the covers and imagine myself as Bella.

Eventually I realized Edward was a stalker and stopped.

me and esooa watched twilight together the other day was great tbh

[Kami]

So you think the other mafia are people not so engaged>?

I don't know that there is anyone at this point who is "not so engaged" (and I refer to that relatively speaking- I would expect Alison to be more engaged than NaA, for example). I'm looking for signs of a) Desperation (looking at falcon on this one) or b) Resignation.

I agree with falcon he's pushing people purposefully outside the poe

[EnderWiggin]

Epi's theory paints Seanzie brighter red than Rudolph's nose.

And what do you make of that?

That either you're wolf or you're the first misyeet that the wolves are trying to achieve.

I think there is a third option.

What's that?

That you're a flame fanner.

Look, gotta get hot somehow.