Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:13 am
So I just had a string of epiphanies. The first two won't shock any of you.
I just realized that Esooa claimed to roleblock Alison.
I just realized that Alison outed because the shot was blocked. This is nice because even though I read the posts that should have indicated this to me, I didn't process this until now, and was kind of wondering why Alison had decided to lolcat, since yesterday was only a little damning for her.
This one might be important. I just realized that I have no idea why Alison decided to lolcat rather than hoping for/fishing for a doctor claim.
in your scenario, there would need to be a town doctor who decided to fuck over the town vigilante AND the wolves would have needed to decide to double-tap Epignosis for effectively no reason
I think you might be misinterpreting my tinfoil to be suggesting that Alison is a vig, and even stronger a town vig. I am not in any way, shape, or form suggesting that.
she outed as vig, bw'ed a towny that already had some votes on them to try and get one of our biggest townreads out
but no one was rlly having it so we all swapped to a different target, and since that target was also town, she qh'd to ensure that the vote didn't end up on her.
by doing so, she outed as maf that day, but she would've been outed maf that day with there not being two kills.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:22 am
here's what happened:
she outed as vig, bw'ed a towny that already had some votes on them to try and get one of our biggest townreads out
but no one was rlly having it so we all swapped to a different target, and since that target was also town, she qh'd to ensure that the vote didn't end up on her.
by doing so, she outed as maf that day, but she would've been outed maf today with there not being two kills.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:13 am
So I just had a string of epiphanies. The first two won't shock any of you.
I just realized that Esooa claimed to roleblock Alison.
I just realized that Alison outed because the shot was blocked. This is nice because even though I read the posts that should have indicated this to me, I didn't process this until now, and was kind of wondering why Alison had decided to lolcat, since yesterday was only a little damning for her.
This one might be important. I just realized that I have no idea why Alison decided to lolcat rather than hoping for/fishing for a doctor claim.
she outed yd eod
Uh.... where?
by attempting to quickhammer the day (despite it already being quickhammered)
Eh, this very strongly disregards the myriad of ways in which, especially in a medium like a forum, we are out of sync with each other. Slow connections, human error, and site lag can all easily explain odd timing type things. While her vote yesterday was very suspicious, I don't think it was lock!outing. It was "she was in for a strong fight to not get killed" but not "I'd bet $1000 this person is scum". That being said, it could easily be explained simply by motivation, but it does seem like a sub-par move, which Alison is pretty strongly against.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:13 am
So I just had a string of epiphanies. The first two won't shock any of you.
I just realized that Esooa claimed to roleblock Alison.
I just realized that Alison outed because the shot was blocked. This is nice because even though I read the posts that should have indicated this to me, I didn't process this until now, and was kind of wondering why Alison had decided to lolcat, since yesterday was only a little damning for her.
This one might be important. I just realized that I have no idea why Alison decided to lolcat rather than hoping for/fishing for a doctor claim.
she outed yd eod
Uh.... where?
by attempting to quickhammer the day (despite it already being quickhammered)
Eh, this very strongly disregards the myriad of ways in which, especially in a medium like a forum, we are out of sync with each other. Slow connections, human error, and site lag can all easily explain odd timing type things. While her vote yesterday was very suspicious, I don't think it was lock!outing. It was "she was in for a strong fight to not get killed" but not "I'd bet $1000 this person is scum". That being said, it could easily be explained simply by motivation, but it does seem like a sub-par move, which Alison is pretty strongly against.
there's also the fact that she 0 posted that eod when she caught some heat, then suddenly changed her vote
this is what we call antispew, and also outing, sean.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:34 am
God bless ur beautiful soul seanzie but that's the most outrageous tinfoil i've seen in this game
possibly ever
Okay, so break it down. If it is outrageous, please explain.
in order for this to be plausible, mafia (when they already have an advantage over the town) would have to forfeit their kill and set up this 5D plan to give esooa all this towncred
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:34 am
God bless ur beautiful soul seanzie but that's the most outrageous tinfoil i've seen in this game
possibly ever
Okay, so break it down. If it is outrageous, please explain.
in order for this to be plausible, mafia (when they already have an advantage over the town) would have to forfeit their kill and set up this 5D plan to give esooa all this towncred
my dude, have u heard of occam's razor before?
No, you seem to ignore multiple possible worlds. Mafia almost assuredly did try to kill last night. But imagine a world where that kill is blocked, how do you capitalize on that?
One story: Wolf!Alsion and Wolf!Esooa see the blocked kill. Not sure how it got blocked, they decided to do a play that will make Esooa super deep. Alison lolcats (even though it seems suboptimal to do so), and Esooa claims a roleblock. How does this fail? Maybe if someone CC's roleblocker. How does this succeed? If the kill was blocked by a doc, Alison's lolcatting would almost assuredly convince any doc that Esooa's block was the reason for the blocked kill. Thus, something like a doc would stay silent.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:34 am
God bless ur beautiful soul seanzie but that's the most outrageous tinfoil i've seen in this game
possibly ever
Okay, so break it down. If it is outrageous, please explain.
in order for this to be plausible, mafia (when they already have an advantage over the town) would have to forfeit their kill and set up this 5D plan to give esooa all this towncred
my dude, have u heard of occam's razor before?
No, you seem to ignore multiple possible worlds. Mafia almost assuredly did try to kill last night. But imagine a world where that kill is blocked, how do you capitalize on that?
One story: Wolf!Alsion and Wolf!Esooa see the blocked kill. Not sure how it got blocked, they decided to do a play that will make Esooa super deep. Alison lolcats (even though it seems suboptimal to do so), and Esooa claims a roleblock. How does this fail? Maybe if someone CC's roleblocker. How does this succeed? If the kill was blocked by a doc, Alison's lolcatting would almost assuredly convince any doc that Esooa's block was the reason for the blocked kill. Thus, something like a doc would stay silent.
This is on the unlikely side and would require wolf!Esooa to have set up wolf!Alison to be pressured yesterday (It was her spew analysis that lead to the wagon that forced the vig claim.)
I will agree it's not impossible.
But it would be unlikely.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:34 am
God bless ur beautiful soul seanzie but that's the most outrageous tinfoil i've seen in this game
possibly ever
Okay, so break it down. If it is outrageous, please explain.
in order for this to be plausible, mafia (when they already have an advantage over the town) would have to forfeit their kill and set up this 5D plan to give esooa all this towncred
my dude, have u heard of occam's razor before?
No, you seem to ignore multiple possible worlds. Mafia almost assuredly did try to kill last night. But imagine a world where that kill is blocked, how do you capitalize on that?
One story: Wolf!Alsion and Wolf!Esooa see the blocked kill. Not sure how it got blocked, they decided to do a play that will make Esooa super deep. Alison lolcats (even though it seems suboptimal to do so), and Esooa claims a roleblock. How does this fail? Maybe if someone CC's roleblocker. How does this succeed? If the kill was blocked by a doc, Alison's lolcatting would almost assuredly convince any doc that Esooa's block was the reason for the blocked kill. Thus, something like a doc would stay silent.
me wrote:my dude, have u heard of occam's razor before?
in fact you're right. i am ignoring that world because it goes way beyond occam's razor to an extent i don't think is possible
say for whatever reason your batshit theory is right
how the hell is esooa going to endgame as wolf if she lives for that long as a roleblocker claim
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
yeah you caught me
someone spends a page laying out a conspiracy theory about how a doctor ruined the plans of w/w esooa and alison and me asking a snarky question is the real rolefishing
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
I thought you thought I was scum?
I'm allowed to work on worlds that aren't the world I believe the most likely.
And besides remember Syn was my second guess at top 2 scum rn.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
more people probably would've noticed, but the thread locked not longer after
I think I did not correctly communicate. Everyone noticed Alison joining the wagon late, myself included. I'm saying that a person or multiple people having a strong scumread on someone is not the same as someone being outed.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
I thought you thought I was scum?
I'm allowed to work on worlds that aren't the world I believe the most likely.
And besides remember Syn was my second guess at top 2 scum rn.
more people probably would've noticed, but the thread locked not longer after
I think I did not correctly communicate. Everyone noticed Alison joining the wagon late, myself included. I'm saying that a person or multiple people having a strong scumread on someone is not the same as someone being outed.
bruh she also fuckin 0 posted
that's extremely uncharacteristic for her, and pretty much tantamount to her outing as maf
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
I thought you thought I was scum?
I'm allowed to work on worlds that aren't the world I believe the most likely.
And besides remember Syn was my second guess at top 2 scum rn.
Was, or still is?
Why are people so pedantic about my wording. First Epi. Now Seanzie...
Syn is still in my top 2 for most likely scum.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:53 am
i think sean and syn are both town and enderwiggin is poking holes between the two i really think enderwiggin is mafia
Esooa has played with me a lot.
Esooa is saying the exact same Seanzie/Syn pairing.
Esooa is saying I'm most likely town.
Stop tinfoiling.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
more people probably would've noticed, but the thread locked not longer after
I think I did not correctly communicate. Everyone noticed Alison joining the wagon late, myself included. I'm saying that a person or multiple people having a strong scumread on someone is not the same as someone being outed.
bruh she also fuckin 0 posted
that's extremely uncharacteristic for her, and pretty much tantamount to her outing as maf
You and I clearly have different standards for what is "outing", and so we will have to agree to disagree. 0 posting for half an hour, even if at EoD, is not outing in my book. I've seen plenty of town do this.
Either way, I presented a tinfoil to see how people react. You've reacted strongly. How do others react? Please give them a chance.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
this really just feels like ur planting a seed of doubt rather than actually believing he's doing what u said he was doing
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
I thought you thought I was scum?
I'm allowed to work on worlds that aren't the world I believe the most likely.
And besides remember Syn was my second guess at top 2 scum rn.
Was, or still is?
Why are people so pedantic about my wording. First Epi. Now Seanzie...
more people probably would've noticed, but the thread locked not longer after
I think I did not correctly communicate. Everyone noticed Alison joining the wagon late, myself included. I'm saying that a person or multiple people having a strong scumread on someone is not the same as someone being outed.
bruh she also fuckin 0 posted
that's extremely uncharacteristic for her, and pretty much tantamount to her outing as maf
You and I clearly have different standards for what is "outing", and so we will have to agree to disagree. 0 posting for half an hour, even if at EoD, is not outing in my book. I've seen plenty of town do this.
Either way, I presented a tinfoil to see how people react. You've reacted strongly. How do others react? Please give them a chance.
u have seen plenty of town claim vig when they're at L-2, park on someone they were competing with, zero post when they're in contention of being voted out, and then blitz someone just as they get enough votes?
I've already theorized that the Town is Batman's Rogue Gallery and Maf are from the Bat Family....so that's where I'm going with it
The OP explains the rand, how there are fakeclaims, and characters are in no way tied to alignment.
You're doing busywork to look busy.
How often does that work out in your experience?
How often does what work out? Randing characters? Well, unless if you want to get into a debate about what we mean by a "random" sample, unless you believe Nook is lying, I'd say it works out quite well.
If you're talking about Falcon, I believe that pressuring my scumreads also works well. There is always the chance of accidentally tunneling, but applying pressure is a great way to generate more information that I can then reform stronger reads based on.
Hey, look at how Epi is shading your read.
Maybe wolf?
This post bothered me then and still does.
I asked a question that Seanzie either misunderstood or decided to take the piss in his answer.
Ender's question is a loaded one. It doesn't open up discussion or debate. It implies a conclusion...
Strange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?
Nah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worst
This is a terrible attempt to set up a dichotomy between two players that are already feuding and Made's agenda is dripping from every word. Just turbo this slot please.
Gonna vote Made or just sus them?
I can't get towncred by sheeping you if you don't vote.
my homie my dude my bro
she's already voting him
The poll is what matters for votes.
She ain't voting him in the poll.
I don't understand this obsession with Alison's vote.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:07 pm
epi has a lot of big posts that I'm not reading because they're big.
I feel this on a spiritual level.
But then I know I'm going to make big posts later.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 pm
I mean my actions rn are pretty NAI. I'm sheeping Alison because I feel bad about denying last game when she was tunnelling a town and also I'm currently playing games and only half actually reading thread.
No, this makes you a bum if you're a civilian. That's all. And if.
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:15 am
Once upon a time there were 4 ppl, all looking at this game thread
Two of them were mysterious guests, of which their identities will never be unmasked
One of them is me who is a bored insomniac hoping something interesting happens
And the other is ender who hasn't done a damn thing
Sup ender
I have a bad habit of leaving things open on my computer. Lmao.
Bet the real Ender Wiggin never did that.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:48 pm
Honestly think Epi is scum but my reads have been bad recently so.
Already commented on this one, but there's a companion piece:
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:54 pm
Also HK might actually be bad. See previous message for disclaimer.
Ender is participating with a lot of "I've been wrong lately," which is uninspiring on its own, but using it single out two individuals like this (one of which has an alignment I know) raises my brow. My shadowed, cowled brow.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 am
esooa isn't an idiot dude
she's not gonna roleblock a confirmable role unless she outs as mafia the previous day
i don't get why u don't see that
The tinfoil I have is that Esooa and Alison could be aligned. It isn't a strong tinfoil, but I find these things worth considering because sometimes we are wrong about things in this game, and the world is surprisingly consistent.
Also, I do realize the irony of me arguing this after earlier arguing that my actions were clearly townie, but I haven't personally found Esooa as town and so while I understand the thread disagrees, I am considering universes with Esooa scum as a higher probability than probably you are.
is this a convoluted way of setting yourself up for a doc claim tomorrow
This feels badly like rolefishing ngl.
this really just feels like ur planting a seed of doubt rather than actually believing he's doing what u said he was doing
It's like I noticed something that is dangerous for town:
I NOTICED PEOPLE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL DOCS IN UNCLAIMED TOWNPOOL
This information literally only helps scum.
How the fuck does me pointing it out scream "I am scum sowing seeds of doubt" when that person is one of my top two scum leans.
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
