Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[MacDougall]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

villagery post

how come?

[ilario]

Doggogut says wiml is town

Reason: reasons

I don't like the dynamic that we have to go against each other the first two days.

who do you wolfread

Not ilario
Not mac
Not alison
Not Tony
Probs not u or esooa
Ender has been weird but towny weird?

Poe is probably the rest

how come you townread ilario so confidently
i feel like he's obvtown now but he wasn't immediately. and i know v!you would naturally have some concerns regarding his wolf range? actually this reminds me i have some meta i need to investigate for you

i would say hes pretty good at reading me fwiw

good enough that i would get instantly suspicious back in the day if he were misreading me, and good enough that if he were a clear i would go in full slank mode and not worry at all

anyways i think wiml is actually right about my meta of not pushing people super hard unless im feeling good that theyre scum when im town LOL. cos i have transcend here, whose had moments of scuminess that you can see me mention in my iso, but at the same time id feel bad mislynching him here if hes actually town in his first game back with us with all the effort hes put in

fwiw if hes maf, hes a pretty townsiding maf cos i feel like ive trd alot the same people he has at very similar times to him, the one exception being lime and thats why i brought up the question earlier about asking him who he thinks he would push if he flipped scum.

[Transcend]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

[alexa]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

villagery post

how come?

don't think w!Alison would care as much about giving you a day pass (unless you're exactly her partner)

[MacDougall]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

villagery post

how come?

don't think w!Alison would care as much about giving you a day pass (unless you're exactly her partner)

your read on me before you made that read was?

[Wiml]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

[alexa]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

[Transcend]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

And be alive in f5 with the raising question of "why did this person survive all these night kills"

[MacDougall]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

[Esooa]

considering "town siding" wolves is reasonably useless with a 9-2 split imo

[alexa]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

villagery post

how come?

don't think w!Alison would care as much about giving you a day pass (unless you're exactly her partner)

your read on me before you made that read was?

you are now in my TBD pile. have some villagery moments but i'm nowhere near where matt/ilario are
and Alison's treatment of you coming into the game felt unpartnered, don't think w!Alison pushes on you right out of the gate if you're buddies

[Esooa]

not reasonably

it's wrong

[Transcend]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

[MacDougall]

considering "town siding" wolves is reasonably useless with a 9-2 split imo

depends on the pressure being applied tbh

[Esooa]

wait I said it correctly

I'm tired

[MacDougall]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

villagery post

how come?

don't think w!Alison would care as much about giving you a day pass (unless you're exactly her partner)

your read on me before you made that read was?

you are now in my TBD pile. have some villagery moments but i'm nowhere near where matt/ilario are
and Alison's treatment of you coming into the game felt unpartnered, don't think w!Alison pushes on you right out of the gate if you're buddies

not that it matters to your alignment but that is probably precisely what she would do if we were partners

[Transcend]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

I'm aware it was bad but whatever

I await to hear what you think about my earlier posts

[ilario]

considering "town siding" wolves is reasonably useless with a 9-2 split imo

hmmmm good point actually

[alexa]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

alright, just think voicing all that is kinda performative

[Wiml]

i did not say godread. i said closest to godread

given recent circumstances i should've just phrased it as best at reading you. basically, i would put significant stake in her read on you

@Wiml have you seen esooa wolf before? i'd also value your read on her

I played with her as a wolf once but it was before I had a good set of tells for her and she slanked anyway. I was also a wolf on another team.

I've spectated a lot of games where she's a wolf though.

She's probably town but don't sheep me on it until I'm confident please.

[MacDougall]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

I kinda think any wolf is sorta deep by common principle in this game

[ilario]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

And be alive in f5 with the raising question of "why did this person survive all these night kills"

tbfh i think in this lobby theres enough viable nk targets for that to not be an issue for deepwolves.

[Wiml]

anyone who has seen Ender as wolf have any idea of his ranges/differences?

I pretty much outed all of my meta tells on him last game tbh.

..i don't think i was in last game?

You weren't, what I was meaning to say is that I shoved all of his meta tells down people's throats last game and now they're probably soggy.

[alexa]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

I kinda think any wolf is sorta deep by common principle in this game

this thought feels villagery

[Transcend]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

alright, just think voicing all that is kinda performative

U r the one that asked why i didn't proceed with caution on ilario

I explained why

[MacDougall]

Esooa has a fair point though. Generally speaking teammates are going to be far less likely to push their partner in this setup. But that applies little before the eod period. Which is partly why most of what I've been doing has been preparing the game for the last 3 hrs of the day.

[Wiml]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

[Transcend]

Yeah i never bus in mountainous

[alexa]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

alright, just think voicing all that is kinda performative

U r the one that asked why i didn't proceed with caution on ilario

I explained why

there's a logical disconnect here though as the statement felt way too vacuumy to relate specifically to ilario
but whatever i don't feel like explaining it atm

[Transcend]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

How r u not caught up yet

[Esooa]

Esooa has a fair point though. Generally speaking teammates are going to be far less likely to push their partner in this setup. But that applies little before the eod period. Which is partly why most of what I've been doing has been preparing the game for the last 3 hrs of the day.

not just that but also a wolf has 1 partner they can read and 9 villagers to read

[MacDougall]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

[Wiml]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

How r u not caught up yet

I thought this was a light game and I'm incredibly busy and people keep getting getting me to write walls and I'm catching up slower than new posts are actually being made.

[Esooa]

Esooa has a fair point though. Generally speaking teammates are going to be far less likely to push their partner in this setup. But that applies little before the eod period. Which is partly why most of what I've been doing has been preparing the game for the last 3 hrs of the day.

not just that but also a wolf has 1 partner they can read and 9 villagers to read

meaning wolf town cores almost by necessity will be filled with town

[alexa]

does mac get caught this early as wolf very often?

i haven't played w him much but i'm giving ur thoughts about him due diligence

I haven't seen it with my own eyes but he says Hally and nutella called him out early in a game he played.

He also took heat early in Space Invaders but dug himself out rapidly with posts very similar to the ones he is making right now.

does he behave like this when he catches heat as town?

He doesn't catch heat as town.

what do you think that says for this game?

[Transcend]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

alright, just think voicing all that is kinda performative

U r the one that asked why i didn't proceed with caution on ilario

I explained why

there's a logical disconnect here though as the statement felt way too vacuumy to relate specifically to ilario
but whatever i don't feel like explaining it atm

If ilario is a wolf then given the high amount of towncred he's received, he would be deep

Same with a handful of others in this game

U asked me why I didn't proceed with caution and that's my answer

We're going in circles and i'm done repeating myself

If u aren't satisfied with my answer, then you're just gonna be on a wrong track all game

[ilario]

LMAOOO I’m getting flashbacks to Anni when wiml would react to events a literal age after it happened

[MacDougall]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

You plan to iso transcend why?

[Wiml]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

Yeah I think it would obviously depend on my partner because most players in this lobby are better wolves than me lol but my typical stance in a mountainous would be trying to coach my partner as hard as possible and powerwolfing from there.

[alexa]

If im getting played by someone i can still figure out their buddy

If there's two really deep wolves then well they have to survive three mls

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

alright, just think voicing all that is kinda performative

U r the one that asked why i didn't proceed with caution on ilario

I explained why

there's a logical disconnect here though as the statement felt way too vacuumy to relate specifically to ilario
but whatever i don't feel like explaining it atm

If ilario is a wolf then given the high amount of towncred he's received, he would be deep

Same with a handful of others in this game

U asked me why I didn't proceed with caution and that's my answer

We're going in circles and i'm done repeating myself

If u aren't satisfied with my answer, then you're just gonna be on a wrong track all game

..are we reading the same game?
ilario's gotten a ton of heat this game

it's fine let's just move on

[MacDougall]

Esooa has a fair point though. Generally speaking teammates are going to be far less likely to push their partner in this setup. But that applies little before the eod period. Which is partly why most of what I've been doing has been preparing the game for the last 3 hrs of the day.

not just that but also a wolf has 1 partner they can read and 9 villagers to read

meaning wolf town cores almost by necessity will be filled with town

Yes the wolves in this game will be inclined to townread people they know can hurt them and priority kill those players.

[Wiml]

LMAOOO I’m getting flashbacks to Anni when wiml would react to events a literal age after it happened

It's a bad habit of mine lol.

[alexa]

LMAOOO I’m getting flashbacks to Anni when wiml would react to events a literal age after it happened

this is why he's a turtle

[Transcend]

who would you consider deep

also worrying about deep wolves d1 is kind of ?? considering they're usually resolved by pushes and night kills. it's the typea thing you do as wolf a lot.

I literally just said i'm not gonna let the paranoia of potential deepwolves obstruct my focus on this game

alright, just think voicing all that is kinda performative

U r the one that asked why i didn't proceed with caution on ilario

I explained why

there's a logical disconnect here though as the statement felt way too vacuumy to relate specifically to ilario
but whatever i don't feel like explaining it atm

If ilario is a wolf then given the high amount of towncred he's received, he would be deep

Same with a handful of others in this game

U asked me why I didn't proceed with caution and that's my answer

We're going in circles and i'm done repeating myself

If u aren't satisfied with my answer, then you're just gonna be on a wrong track all game

..are we reading the same game?
ilario's gotten a ton of heat this game

it's fine let's just move on

O tru

But now he's consensus town

But yea let's move on

[MacDougall]

I don't consider ilario town yet fwiw.

[alexa]

ender is becoming scummy again i'm sorry

what triggered this thought?

[Wiml]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

You plan to iso transcend why?

I ISO almost everyone I want to make a strong read on before I commit to a strong read on them. Especially for wolf reads.

It's why I so rarely have strong reads early into D1 and why I struggled so much in that 12/12 game on 2+2.

alexa and illario are exceptions mostly due to being easy meta clears.

[ilario]

I don't consider ilario town yet fwiw.

I think u want to tbh

[Wiml]

I don't consider ilario town yet fwiw.

I think u want to tbh

illario are you... are you feeling ok?

[ilario]

Wait lemme rephrase that,

I think u do, but u don’t want to