Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[Wiml]

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

I'm bored.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thats a good derp clear it makes her three quarters clear

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin why did you vote wiml

Cause he wasn't towntelling and there were other votes so I wanted to pressure. Also was about to head out for like, six hours idk.

[EnderWiggin]

ilario
Lime Coke

Alison
Esooa

Transcend
MacDougall
tonystarkprime
EnderWiggin

Wiml

NANOOKTHECONQUERER
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this is very pre-emptive
top 2: strongest V reads
second 2: strong V reads but i'd have some wariness over their wolf games
next 4: i need to sort in them and i'd be surprised if the group didn't have a wolf

NANOOK i just have no read on but him sheeping me on ilario feels slimy now what i TR ilario, and I know esooa has closest to a god-read on Wiml so until she townreads him i'm always going to be wary (since i townread her a lot)

i'm only on page 12 of backreading though

Any reason I suddenly dropped from your top 5 town?

[Wiml]

@EnderWiggin why did you vote wiml

Cause he wasn't towntelling and there were other votes so I wanted to pressure. Also was about to head out for like, six hours idk.

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

This time it's not a pressure vote lol.

[EnderWiggin]

anyone who has seen Ender as wolf have any idea of his ranges/differences?

I once was scary.

But then I took retirement to the knee.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin why did you vote wiml

Cause he wasn't towntelling and there were other votes so I wanted to pressure. Also was about to head out for like, six hours idk.

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

This time it's not a pressure vote lol.

Oh no.

Anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

anyone who has seen Ender as wolf have any idea of his ranges/differences?

I pretty much outed all of my meta tells on him last game tbh.

If I remember it was something like "He has a tone--wait no."

[Wiml]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

[Wiml]

Well not 100% but I know what the tell is lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

villagery post

how come?

don't think w!Alison would care as much about giving you a day pass (unless you're exactly her partner)

This is not an accurate read. Mac/Alison have a general dynamic in games they play together whether they're w/w, w/v, or v/v.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

[EnderWiggin]

Transcend/Wiml not w/w I agree.

[EnderWiggin]

anyone who has seen Ender as wolf have any idea of his ranges/differences?

I pretty much outed all of my meta tells on him last game tbh.

..i don't think i was in last game?

You weren't, what I was meaning to say is that I shoved all of his meta tells down people's throats last game and now they're probably soggy.

The fact that you're acting like there was any cohesive meta-read you pulled on me in that game is making me feel very much like you're trying to establish some sort of authority on the subject when you, in reality, have none.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

anyone who has seen Ender as wolf have any idea of his ranges/differences?

I once was scary.

But then I took retirement to the knee.

@EnderWiggin why did you vote wiml

Cause he wasn't towntelling and there were other votes so I wanted to pressure. Also was about to head out for like, six hours idk.

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

This time it's not a pressure vote lol.

Oh no.

Anyway.

I'm pocketed

[EnderWiggin]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

I hated couching wolf-buddies because I expect too much from people.

[EnderWiggin]

Wiml why are you voting me

All I see is that I'm no longer in your towncore

Explain more

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

You plan to iso transcend why?

Because there's no way he'd put that effort in as wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

Yeah I think it would obviously depend on my partner because most players in this lobby are better wolves than me lol but my typical stance in a mountainous would be trying to coach my partner as hard as possible and powerwolfing from there.

Hey. Get that humility outta here.

[EnderWiggin]

Nook exists.

He does.

[EnderWiggin]

Damn, you were way before I joined.

I have been playing mafia sites since like 2008. I am an old mafia player =P

I was barely more than a toddler in 2008 lol.

Ah they grow up so fast.

[EnderWiggin]

What's the tl;dr of the TSP meta clears?

reverse post count tell

Pretty much the same for me lol but people tend to notice less since my posting floor is pretty high regardless.

i think for me it's more that as town I can post any amount but like 9 times out of 10 I'm not exercising thread control or forming coalitions. As a wolf I'm at least trying to have control in any case

Yeah I get the idea behind this. I know Esooa touched on it briefly earlier but I'm very much a compulsive control freak and that's very hard for me to hide when I rand wolf lol.

Speaking of this topic though, this is one of the wolf tells I originally had on Ender. Him trying to take charge = him being a wolf. I'm going to look at his other wolf game in a moment to see if he acts that way even after I outed that as his tell or not.

do you tihnk he would try to take charge in this table though if he randed wolf?

Yes, especially if he randed after with me though after I absolutely smeared this all over as his big wolf tell lol.

I'm looming at the wolf game he just played and I think there's clearly an effort on his part to tone down the seriousness early on compared to the wolf gane of his I read a while back tbh. He still leaves RVS very early but he's also not immediately jostling to be a leader.

Honestly this is probably a bad read that I mostly just pushed as an excuse to make extra townreads as a wolf and sort of convinced myself in the process, I think he's aware enough of it that it's just completely NAI for him now. and I vaguely recall him saying in that wolf game "wait until you see me meme as a wolf" anyway. I'm not going to push it any further tbh.

I'm just going to be amused in my corner. Don't mind me.

[EnderWiggin]

i really don't know what matt's seeing? this ISO instantly feels like a waste of my time, brad's just town

Kinda like this slot ngl.

[Wiml]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

[Wiml]

anyone who has seen Ender as wolf have any idea of his ranges/differences?

I pretty much outed all of my meta tells on him last game tbh.

..i don't think i was in last game?

You weren't, what I was meaning to say is that I shoved all of his meta tells down people's throats last game and now they're probably soggy.

The fact that you're acting like there was any cohesive meta-read you pulled on me in that game is making me feel very much like you're trying to establish some sort of authority on the subject when you, in reality, have none.

Read further lol.

The meta I used on you in Scythe was actually pretty bad in hindsight I just pushed it hard lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender I liked based on his opening but I have no idea of his meta and it seems like people are saying he's solidly in both his ranges so I need to see more from him

I'll take "briefly towny."

Better than some people's first attempts at reading me.

[Wiml]

There wasn't a huge amount of thought into it because I'm still not caught up tbh. I think you're the most actively wolfy person in the thread right now.

Why

I'll go into more detail later about your earlier posts but your re-entrance was incredibly awkward and self aware and being self aware of it being awkward honestly makes it wolfier.

why later?

Because I want to catch up the game still and I have no self control.

"Later" was referring to a full ISO on Transcend lol.

You plan to iso transcend why?

Because there's no way he'd put that effort in as wolf.

If I post more than the post minimum I'm lock town. If I'm a wolf I always rwstfo obviously.

[Wiml]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

Yeah I think it would obviously depend on my partner because most players in this lobby are better wolves than me lol but my typical stance in a mountainous would be trying to coach my partner as hard as possible and powerwolfing from there.

Hey. Get that humility outta here.

I've wolfed literally like 4 times ever lol.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

You abused the secret meta-read but it wasn't read formation/effort.

Which makes it funnier that you turned it against me without properly working out what it was I was trying to read you on.

(Your town games, or some of them, had a level of "Reads confusion" where your scum games had a level of surety to the reads. Obviously not as ironclad of a read as I thought it was lmao.)

[EnderWiggin]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

Yeah I think it would obviously depend on my partner because most players in this lobby are better wolves than me lol but my typical stance in a mountainous would be trying to coach my partner as hard as possible and powerwolfing from there.

Hey. Get that humility outta here.

I've wolfed literally like 4 times ever lol.

Any town who is self-aware of crafted meta and can replicate that as a wolf deserves a solid rating on the wolf scale.

I also like analytical players so you're right in my soft-spot for reads.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You guys know there's over 24 hours left in the day we don't need this many posts lol

[EnderWiggin]

Yeah I'm still pretty happy with Wiml vote.

[Wiml]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

You abused the secret meta-read but it wasn't read formation/effort.

Which makes it funnier that you turned it against me without properly working out what it was I was trying to read you on.

(Your town games, or some of them, had a level of "Reads confusion" where your scum games had a level of surety to the reads. Obviously not as ironclad of a read as I thought it was lmao.)

Oh that makes more sense as well lol (even though it's not actually a tell for me tbh). I'd gathered for sure it was to do with reads and the rest I assumed based on the conversations we had in the 2+2 game.

If that's your actual towntell read on me this game then I think that makes more sense lol. But alexa and illario (who was bunnyhunter in Anni) are both easy town reads tbh.

Speaking of illario, if anybody has any doubts about me being able to read him I was so confident on him being town in anni that I called out a fake red peek on him.

[EnderWiggin]

You guys know there's over 24 hours left in the day we don't need this many posts lol

I have the day off tomorrow and no plans.

Just wait.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

You abused the secret meta-read but it wasn't read formation/effort.

Which makes it funnier that you turned it against me without properly working out what it was I was trying to read you on.

(Your town games, or some of them, had a level of "Reads confusion" where your scum games had a level of surety to the reads. Obviously not as ironclad of a read as I thought it was lmao.)

Oh that makes more sense as well lol (even though it's not actually a tell for me tbh). I'd gathered for sure it was to do with reads and the rest I assumed based on the conversations we had in the 2+2 game.

If that's your actual towntell read on me this game then I think that makes more sense lol. But alexa and illario (who was bunnyhunter in Anni) are both easy town reads tbh.

Speaking of illario, if anybody has any doubts about me being able to read him I was so confident on him being town in anni that I called out a fake red peek on him.

Idk sounds like beginners luck cause I'm p sure he's mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You guys know there's over 24 hours left in the day we don't need this many posts lol

I have the day off tomorrow and no plans.

Just wait.

Plz no

[Wiml]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

Yeah I think it would obviously depend on my partner because most players in this lobby are better wolves than me lol but my typical stance in a mountainous would be trying to coach my partner as hard as possible and powerwolfing from there.

Hey. Get that humility outta here.

I've wolfed literally like 4 times ever lol.

Any town who is self-aware of crafted meta and can replicate that as a wolf deserves a solid rating on the wolf scale.

I also like analytical players so you're right in my soft-spot for reads.

I appreciate that but.

Look at the playerlist lol.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

You abused the secret meta-read but it wasn't read formation/effort.

Which makes it funnier that you turned it against me without properly working out what it was I was trying to read you on.

(Your town games, or some of them, had a level of "Reads confusion" where your scum games had a level of surety to the reads. Obviously not as ironclad of a read as I thought it was lmao.)

Oh that makes more sense as well lol (even though it's not actually a tell for me tbh). I'd gathered for sure it was to do with reads and the rest I assumed based on the conversations we had in the 2+2 game.

If that's your actual towntell read on me this game then I think that makes more sense lol. But alexa and illario (who was bunnyhunter in Anni) are both easy town reads tbh.

Speaking of illario, if anybody has any doubts about me being able to read him I was so confident on him being town in anni that I called out a fake red peek on him.

Oh I'm absolutely not using it right now. I've gone back to basic reads while discarding anything I think you'd easily replicate.

And sure, I'll allow iliario town. Their interactions have been fine.

[Wiml]

You guys know there's over 24 hours left in the day we don't need this many posts lol

How do you do, fellow slanker?

[alexa]

was Ender in anni under an alt/does he play on MU?

[EnderWiggin]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

Yeah I think it would obviously depend on my partner because most players in this lobby are better wolves than me lol but my typical stance in a mountainous would be trying to coach my partner as hard as possible and powerwolfing from there.

Hey. Get that humility outta here.

I've wolfed literally like 4 times ever lol.

Any town who is self-aware of crafted meta and can replicate that as a wolf deserves a solid rating on the wolf scale.

I also like analytical players so you're right in my soft-spot for reads.

I appreciate that but.

Look at the playerlist lol.

This is a good playerlist.

I'm going to probably enjoy this game no matter how it goes.

I also am appreciating the general thread health.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You guys know there's over 24 hours left in the day we don't need this many posts lol

How do you do, fellow slanker?

I'm not really slanking I've read most of the thread

[EnderWiggin]

was Ender in anni under an alt/does he play on MU?

Bladescape.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And you have like 150 posts lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Bladescape isn't an alt tho, it's actually one of my ollllld names. EnderWiggin was only made in 2015, a little before I started to take a break.

[Wiml]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

You abused the secret meta-read but it wasn't read formation/effort.

Which makes it funnier that you turned it against me without properly working out what it was I was trying to read you on.

(Your town games, or some of them, had a level of "Reads confusion" where your scum games had a level of surety to the reads. Obviously not as ironclad of a read as I thought it was lmao.)

Oh that makes more sense as well lol (even though it's not actually a tell for me tbh). I'd gathered for sure it was to do with reads and the rest I assumed based on the conversations we had in the 2+2 game.

If that's your actual towntell read on me this game then I think that makes more sense lol. But alexa and illario (who was bunnyhunter in Anni) are both easy town reads tbh.

Speaking of illario, if anybody has any doubts about me being able to read him I was so confident on him being town in anni that I called out a fake red peek on him.

Oh I'm absolutely not using it right now. I've gone back to basic reads while discarding anything I think you'd easily replicate.

And sure, I'll allow iliario town. Their interactions have been fine.

What was the towntell I haven't done if you're saying I haven't towntold then? Were you actually just lying about it?

[EnderWiggin]

And you have like 150 posts lmao

If he wants to be a slanker in spirit, let him.

[Wiml]

was Ender in anni under an alt/does he play on MU?

bladescape

[alexa]

ilario
Lime Coke

Alison
Esooa

Transcend
MacDougall
tonystarkprime
EnderWiggin

Wiml

NANOOKTHECONQUERER
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this is very pre-emptive
top 2: strongest V reads
second 2: strong V reads but i'd have some wariness over their wolf games
next 4: i need to sort in them and i'd be surprised if the group didn't have a wolf

NANOOK i just have no read on but him sheeping me on ilario feels slimy now what i TR ilario, and I know esooa has closest to a god-read on Wiml so until she townreads him i'm always going to be wary (since i townread her a lot)

i'm only on page 12 of backreading though

Any reason I suddenly dropped from your top 5 town?

that fourth group was all kinda similarly ranked at the time I wrote that. People who have kinda villagery moments but I'm still working on sorting. There's some people this game who I expected to get confident reads on based on the sheer amount of meta and you're not one of those people so you kinda naturally dropped when I stopped remembering why I had you as town

if you're town I think I can probably get there more confidently on you again

[EnderWiggin]

I'm 100% sure Ender's comment about me not towntelling is a lie btw.

There is no towntell you have made so far that I am not sure you could replicate as mafia.

That being said I'm not a super good meta-reader so who knows. I might be in whiplash from the Scythe sweep.

But to call it a lie is a little disingenuous. Almost seems agenda-y

I thought you'd realised lol but I knew the secret town tell you had on me was a read formation / effort tell and that's why I abused it so hard in Scythe lol.

You abused the secret meta-read but it wasn't read formation/effort.

Which makes it funnier that you turned it against me without properly working out what it was I was trying to read you on.

(Your town games, or some of them, had a level of "Reads confusion" where your scum games had a level of surety to the reads. Obviously not as ironclad of a read as I thought it was lmao.)

Oh that makes more sense as well lol (even though it's not actually a tell for me tbh). I'd gathered for sure it was to do with reads and the rest I assumed based on the conversations we had in the 2+2 game.

If that's your actual towntell read on me this game then I think that makes more sense lol. But alexa and illario (who was bunnyhunter in Anni) are both easy town reads tbh.

Speaking of illario, if anybody has any doubts about me being able to read him I was so confident on him being town in anni that I called out a fake red peek on him.

Oh I'm absolutely not using it right now. I've gone back to basic reads while discarding anything I think you'd easily replicate.

And sure, I'll allow iliario town. Their interactions have been fine.

What was the towntell I haven't done if you're saying I haven't towntold then? Were you actually just lying about it?

You haven't done anything that I would consider town-indicative of you.

I'm not talking about a single-thing that would be a town-tell but more a general overview.

[alexa]

was Ender in anni under an alt/does he play on MU?

bladescape

ahh
i'd probably value your read there, you had a fairly good read on him iirc?