Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[alexa]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

[ilario]

I skimmed through the opening of ilario's scum game that you linked wiml and it doesn't seem like a dramatic difference to me? Maybe I'll read it in depth more later but yeah not seeing it atm

Tbf it's a lot like alexa said. Like the best comparison is a player like Esooa who is a really capable wolf but half of her town games are just very different and she's easy to find in them?

alexa in particular is a good enough illario reader that she was so (correctly) confident that a red peek on him was fake that she wanted to chop the (real) cop.

I think the one thing that is a tangible non-meta difference is how much he focuses on pushing agendas. One thing I recall noticing in a lot of illario's wolf games is that there's a lack of real depth to his ISOs and he mostly just pushes opportunistic takes. I talked about it earlier but he's a very A to B style wolf.

If he's still in doubt later then I'll go through his wolf games and try to actively towncase why he's town this game since it's a but difficult to do outside of meta. But I'm like 90% confident he is tbh.

I mean, fmpov pushing me IS a pretty opportunistic take, yeah?

where's he pushing you? he has you POE'd but it's not like.. a push

Soon enough

[Lime Coke]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

Who are all of them again?

[Transcend]

I condone a lot of wiml's posting

His thoughts feel genuine and don't seem fueled by tmi

Hmu when we can be friends again turtl

[Wiml]

If anyone is a wolf here there's no way i'm gonna bury them as hard as i did grimdog

Tbf I think grimdog kind of buried himself.

[Wiml]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4688374

wait was grimdog the origin of that copypasta?

lmao im looking at the game now

Yeah he was lol.

He died too soon.

[alexa]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

Who are all of them again?

ilario, esooa, wiml, you, alison

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

tbh me wanting to policy nanook is my town tell

This is also sort of unironically true lol.

Good lord

The real read is that Esooa really doesn't like killing plwyers she sees as LHF as a wolf on D1 (as she wants easier miselims to endgame / doesn't bus excessively) so her actually pushing for this is >rand town lol.

She's completely self aware of this though so I'm not putting a huge amount of stock into it outside of a snappy comment.

Her pushing me specifically is most certainly not >rand town. Its >rand esooa and thats it.

[Esooa]

I don't get why you all expect so much out of me

All i want to do is vibe and out my reads

I out one read that drastically alters thread consensus that I truly feel in my heart (trust me I love towning w brad, i would never want to ml him) may have a chance of being scum and everyone disagrees with me. The sole fact that i'm a contrarian does not mean i'm scum.

If someone has a different read from me i don't auto assume they're scum. Everyone has different perspectives. I don't get why you just assume the same for me and my reads always have to be on par with yours.

if ur towny sorry but

Literally nothing about your LC read feels real

You haven't given reasons for it

Other people are disagreeing

And you're not trying to actually figure it out, like at all

You're just going "sorry but my reads my read"

Like why are you not trying to actually figure him out if that's your read? Talk to people about it? It feels extremely lacking and I haven't felt any kind of genuine concern about it despite it's apparent significant importance to you

I'm explaining this poorly but

Your read doesn't at all seem like a real read, in terms of how it was made, how you're handling it, and how you're considering opinions from other slots

I also have other problems like mention irt the illario read, your very quick/odd town read on Alison, etc

[Lime Coke]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

Who are all of them again?

ilario, esooa, wiml, you, alison

I can accept that.

[Transcend]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

I know you're going to sr me for it

But this attitude d1 (especially in a stacked table) loses 9/10 games.

[ilario]

who do you scumread besides like brad?

Idk i kinda wanna see how everyone posts today

Ur lock town

I still think mac and Tony are town

Alison was towny initially but i haven't seen her in awhile and want to see where she currently stands.

Ilario is towny, but caught heat. I can't ignore the fact that someone might be on to something on a tough egg to crack.

Wiml's progression through the game looks p towny

Esooa had towny posts

Yikes bro :/

[Esooa]

Alexa can you explain your, I dunno mindset this game

how do you feel about it

be more specific?

Excited to play? It feels like you are. Just wondering if that's true, why you think that is, etc

[Transcend]

I don't get why you all expect so much out of me

All i want to do is vibe and out my reads

I out one read that drastically alters thread consensus that I truly feel in my heart (trust me I love towning w brad, i would never want to ml him) may have a chance of being scum and everyone disagrees with me. The sole fact that i'm a contrarian does not mean i'm scum.

If someone has a different read from me i don't auto assume they're scum. Everyone has different perspectives. I don't get why you just assume the same for me and my reads always have to be on par with yours.

if ur towny sorry but

Literally nothing about your LC read feels real

You haven't given reasons for it

Other people are disagreeing

And you're not trying to actually figure it out, like at all

You're just going "sorry but my reads my read"

Like why are you not trying to actually figure him out if that's your read? Talk to people about it? It feels extremely lacking and I haven't felt any kind of genuine concern about it despite it's apparent significant importance to you

I'm explaining this poorly but

Your read doesn't at all seem like a real read, in terms of how it was made, how you're handling it, and how you're considering opinions from other slots

I also have other problems like mention irt the illario read, your very quick/odd town read on Alison, etc

I have given reasons though. Would you like me to restate them?

[alexa]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

I know you're going to sr me for it

But this attitude d1 (especially in a stacked table) loses 9/10 games.

you should've just said

But this attitude d1 loses 9/10 games (sorry for scumminess)

[Transcend]

who do you scumread besides like brad?

Idk i kinda wanna see how everyone posts today

Ur lock town

I still think mac and Tony are town

Alison was towny initially but i haven't seen her in awhile and want to see where she currently stands.

Ilario is towny, but caught heat. I can't ignore the fact that someone might be on to something on a tough egg to crack.

Wiml's progression through the game looks p towny

Esooa had towny posts

Yikes bro :/

What

[Esooa]

I'll drop the Transcend read cause it's not important to push it more atm

But it is definitely my strongest scum read atm

[Wiml]

I condone a lot of wiml's posting

His thoughts feel genuine and don't seem fueled by tmi

Hmu when we can be friends again turtl

We're always friends.

I just need your help to find you if you're town. Do you have any particularly strong reads you're wing to talk to me about? Perhaps TSP/Mac town in more detail?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Shrug

Ok fine

When you guys are done killing me transcend and, idk, probably tsp, and you're looking around trying to figure out who could possibly be mafia, come back to my iso cause my legacy is gonna be good as hell

[Transcend]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

I know you're going to sr me for it

But this attitude d1 (especially in a stacked table) loses 9/10 games.

you should've just said

But this attitude d1 loses 9/10 games (sorry for scumminess)

Yeah i'm just outing concern but if you don't care then whatever you can speed lose lol

[ilario]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

[alexa]

Alexa can you explain your, I dunno mindset this game

how do you feel about it

be more specific?

Excited to play? It feels like you are. Just wondering if that's true, why you think that is, etc

i am! this is my first game in like 4 days so yeah! LOL that seems like nothing but after one day i was going through forum mafia withdrawal and dying to play again, anne was making fun of me for going crazy.

[Esooa]

I have given reasons though. Would you like me to restate them?

if u want

They just felt not at all convincing to me in really... any way at all

So I don't know how they're convincing to you

But sure

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

Gee you think the person hard defending trans might not be partnered with him

What a galaxy brained read, my goodness

[ilario]

Take this as me [VOTE: sleep ] aubergine

For now
I’ll read into my partner theory when I wake up again

[Transcend]

I condone a lot of wiml's posting

His thoughts feel genuine and don't seem fueled by tmi

Hmu when we can be friends again turtl

We're always friends.

I just need your help to find you if you're town. Do you have any particularly strong reads you're wing to talk to me about? Perhaps TSP/Mac town in more detail?

Those are both just gut reads i'm sorry i can't expand more

[alexa]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

i'm not particularly convinced they're partners either lmao

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways esooa is probably town so thats, what, five locks not including myself

One more for auto

[Transcend]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

[alexa]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

okay now matt is just openwolfing

[alexa]

i actually feel decently about it because i townread the people who i think if we're t/t/t/t we'll win

if that's what you mean

I know you're going to sr me for it

But this attitude d1 (especially in a stacked table) loses 9/10 games.

you should've just said

But this attitude d1 loses 9/10 games (sorry for scumminess)

Yeah i'm just outing concern but if you don't care then whatever you can speed lose lol

i re-evaluate my townreads on a daily basis

[ilario]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

Gee you think the person hard defending trans might not be partnered with him

What a galaxy brained read, my goodness

I only saw you hard defending as I was reading just now

I’ve hard defended partners too
But it really feels like u believe it here
Might not be an amazing breakthrough but it’s still better than defending an outed mafia whilst calling one of the townies he spewed town a naked mafia lol (but sadly I can’t bring up the spew card later based on what I said previously)

[Transcend]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

okay now matt is just openwolfing

No

He had me as town earlier and then the momentum shifts to me and suddenly i'm lock wolf to him

I don't buy it for one fucking second

[alexa]

also esooa's approach to matt is very villagery imo
if matt's wolf i'd just clear her

[ilario]

[VOTE: transcend ] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

All three designated miskills voting together

You love to see it

[alexa]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

okay now matt is just openwolfing

No

He had me as town earlier and then the momentum shifts to me and suddenly i'm lock wolf to him

I don't buy it for one fucking second

he hasn't had you as town for awhile

[Wiml]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

Honestly I think you should just out it.

The threadstate could use something else to discuss tbh.

[Transcend]

K bye yeet me then next game we play just acknowledge that my town and maf play are indistinguishable

[ilario]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

okay now matt is just openwolfing

No

He had me as town earlier and then the momentum shifts to me and suddenly i'm lock wolf to him

I don't buy it for one fucking second

Actually ur the one who shifted to me bro

In the post that I called out as yikes

And I’ve been actively suspicious of u since the game first started, u were the one who townlocked me? So much so that u asked my read on lime, said it was a good point, then went on to continue pushing him and asking what people saw in him

[Wiml]

I condone a lot of wiml's posting

His thoughts feel genuine and don't seem fueled by tmi

Hmu when we can be friends again turtl

We're always friends.

I just need your help to find you if you're town. Do you have any particularly strong reads you're wing to talk to me about? Perhaps TSP/Mac town in more detail?

Those are both just gut reads i'm sorry i can't expand more

I see. Are there particular posts you got those gut reads from?

Particularly TSP because he doesn't have a lot of posts lol.

[Transcend]

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

okay now matt is just openwolfing

No

He had me as town earlier and then the momentum shifts to me and suddenly i'm lock wolf to him

I don't buy it for one fucking second

Actually ur the one who shifted to me bro

In the post that I called out as yikes

And I’ve been actively suspicious of u since the game first started, u were the one who townlocked me? So much so that u asked my read on lime, said it was a good point, then went on to continue pushing him and asking what people saw in him

U said i was town in ur intro post

Idrk what changed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably

[Wiml]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

i'm not particularly convinced they're partners either lmao

I'd be mildly surprised if they both were tbh.

Knowing him fairly well, Nanook is like rand town for me right now.

[Transcend]

And it feels calculated

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably

If ilario mafia tsp is a fifth lock

If im wrong on trans mac becomes lock town

[Transcend]

Meh im only at 4 locks if I don't count myself

Trans ender alexa and esooa

So need two more

I'll find them later probably

Too bad one of your locks is going down since apparently I have a pulse

[Transcend]

I hate d1 so much

[alexa]

K bye yeet me then next game we play just acknowledge that my town and maf play are indistinguishable

this is way less helpful than you uh
outing reads..

..like my reasoning for wanting to yeet you isn't solely that you remind me of your maf game, it has to do with your actual reads

[ilario]

I have a crack pot theory but I’m gonna wait till d2 to out it

But based on the theory nanook might actually not me transcends partner

Which is what I’ve mostly been hunting for this whole team since I didn’t want him to be the first yeeet since I felt bad lol

Honestly I think you should just out it.

The threadstate could use something else to discuss tbh.

I think it might be lime and that Matt is coaching him.

Nanook and tsps votes on me are bad but Atleast it feels like they believe it and that they’re doing something with their votes. Lime isn’t using his vote at all. Yeah he’s in his town meta but if he’s maf he’s very likely to have a good partner since everyone is a strong player, and that partner can help him out.

Anyways my crack pot theory is based on Matt’s refusal to re evaluate his read on lime. Remember how I mentioned Matt loves spewing his partners? I really think he would have much more awareness as a wolf to realise that his push on lime is the sole reason for him getting so much heat

So then the question becomes

Why has he not dropped it at all?
When he knows it’s spearheading him into his yeeet?

Probably to spew lime town