Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[EnderWiggin]

My vote will accept swapping to Mac btw

[alexa]

mischopped a great* player obviously

[alexa]

My vote will accept swapping to Mac btw

same tbh

[Alison]

I want to kill transcend and wiml in any order d1 and d2 personally

This is really weird given your previous stated read on Transcend.

Also I note the wagons in the poll proving you were lying about Transcend's chances of surviving D1.

[EnderWiggin]

Mac is honestly playing incredibly scummy. His reads are pure nonsense and he's just producing as many of them as possible until people get off his back. He is not solving the game or approaching it from a townie point of view and he's not fishing for hard-to-replicate tells the way he does as town. It's actually ridiculous.

Are we allowed to vote him yet?

I have argued before that it is best to give certain players a day pass because it is simply too disastrous for the game if they are town. You can keep them in your POE and hunt for your partners while giving them the chance to clear themselves by producing pelts (and of course, if they are wolves and produce pelts, you should encourage them to out all their teammates for you). I would say Mac is one of those players.

maybe it's my own ego but i have always been kind of "mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" on this philosophy
mostly because i trust myself to solve the game more than i trust players who are useful if not mischopped

there's been times i've mischopped a player terribly d1 but we still won as town and got a lot of useful info from it

there's never been a time i've been like "oh no if we didn't ML X day one we would've won"

i've only been playing FM for a year though

On tables with low wim and drive, misexe on one of the wim players can gut town, I agree.

This is not one of those tables

[Esooa]

Mac is honestly playing incredibly scummy. His reads are pure nonsense and he's just producing as many of them as possible until people get off his back. He is not solving the game or approaching it from a townie point of view and he's not fishing for hard-to-replicate tells the way he does as town. It's actually ridiculous.

Are we allowed to vote him yet?

I have argued before that it is best to give certain players a day pass because it is simply too disastrous for the game if they are town. You can keep them in your POE and hunt for your partners while giving them the chance to clear themselves by producing pelts (and of course, if they are wolves and produce pelts, you should encourage them to out all their teammates for you). I would say Mac is one of those players.

maybe it's my own ego but i have always been kind of "mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" on this philosophy
mostly because i trust myself to solve the game more than i trust players who are useful if not mischopped

there's been times i've mischopped a player terribly d1 but we still won as town and got a lot of useful info from it

there's never been a time i've been like "oh no if we didn't ML X day one we would've won"

i've only been playing FM for a year though

this isn't the perspective I take irt to it at all

but I don't want to type an explanation rn

[Alison]

Mac is honestly playing incredibly scummy. His reads are pure nonsense and he's just producing as many of them as possible until people get off his back. He is not solving the game or approaching it from a townie point of view and he's not fishing for hard-to-replicate tells the way he does as town. It's actually ridiculous.

Are we allowed to vote him yet?

I have argued before that it is best to give certain players a day pass because it is simply too disastrous for the game if they are town. You can keep them in your POE and hunt for your partners while giving them the chance to clear themselves by producing pelts (and of course, if they are wolves and produce pelts, you should encourage them to out all their teammates for you). I would say Mac is one of those players.

maybe it's my own ego but i have always been kind of "mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" on this philosophy
mostly because i trust myself to solve the game more than i trust players who are useful if not mischopped

there's been times i've mischopped a player terribly d1 but we still won as town and got a lot of useful info from it

there's never been a time i've been like "oh no if we didn't ML X day one we would've won"

i've only been playing FM for a year though

I spoke quite a bit about it to some players in the PSY postgame chat (Zack, Visor, a few others). It is an incredibly unfun way of playing from a social point of view. I do think it is optimal for winrate purposes. I trust strong players to help shape my solving which is why I have backed off ilario because I think you are town and you have stated you have a good read on him.

[Alison]

Ender is kind of correct that the day pass reasoning is less applicable when the table is stacked. Since you aren't taking the risk of misexing the one person who could roll over the wolves when everyone at the table could do that.

[alexa]

i still think (matt specifically) would be too much of a pussy to openly mock alison's solve as wolf with mac

[Esooa]

i still think (matt specifically) would be too much of a pussy to openly mock alison's solve as wolf with mac

lol

[Alison]

i still think (matt specifically) would be too much of a pussy to openly mock alison's solve as wolf with mac

Where has he done this?

[alexa]

well i mean also i don't know mac enough to call him a strong player i wouldn't want to misexe lmao

[EnderWiggin]

well i mean also i don't know mac enough to call him a strong player i wouldn't want to misexe lmao

He can be.

[Lime Coke]

i still think (matt specifically) would be too much of a pussy to openly mock alison's solve as wolf with mac

This an Anne meme read?

[Esooa]

the biggest thing about killing "good" players vs "bad" players is usually a good player will have multiple opportunities to clear themselves whereas a bad player probably won't

Having an otherwise mislynch be cleared is insanely good @alexa

[EnderWiggin]

On phone rn because it's too cold on this weekend morning to get out of bed. Do not expect complex answers because fuck writing walls on phone

[Esooa]

in this game I think that's of vastly less importance which is why I'm fine with voting Mac

[Alison]

Doggogut says wiml is town

Reason: reasons

I don't like the dynamic that we have to go against each other the first two days.

who do you wolfread

Not ilario
Not mac
Not alison
Not Tony
Probs not u or esooa
Ender has been weird but towny weird?

Poe is probably the rest

Takes Mac out of the POE for no reason.

[Alison]

in this game I think that's of vastly less importance which is why I'm fine with voting Mac

Sure, that's a fine argument.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[Alison]

From a scumminess perspective I think Mac and Transcend feel like they are trying to outdo each other with regards to how scummy they can be. I would be fine with either if we nixed the day pass angle.

[Alison]

Doggogut says wiml is town

Reason: reasons

I don't like the dynamic that we have to go against each other the first two days.

who do you wolfread

Not ilario
Not mac
Not alison
Not Tony
Probs not u or esooa
Ender has been weird but towny weird?

Poe is probably the rest

how come you townread ilario so confidently
i feel like he's obvtown now but he wasn't immediately. and i know v!you would naturally have some concerns regarding his wolf range? actually this reminds me i have some meta i need to investigate for you

Vibez lol

Turbo open wolfing.

[alexa]

i still think (matt specifically) would be too much of a pussy to openly mock alison's solve as wolf with mac

Where has he done this?

looking for it now, slow with this forum so give me a sec

the biggest thing about killing "good" players vs "bad" players is usually a good player will have multiple opportunities to clear themselves whereas a bad player probably won't

Having an otherwise mislynch be cleared is insanely good @alexa

that's fair tbh

[Alison]

considering "town siding" wolves is reasonably useless with a 9-2 split imo

Correct.

[Lime Coke]

I don't think we can use the Gira "Kill the more active players will allow mafia players to eat on inactivity" because this game has been one of the most active I've ever played...EVERYONE has been active.

And I say that as a EM player...

[EnderWiggin]

Wiml still a good target. Was misrepresenting me and implying he had good read on me until I called bullshit

[EnderWiggin]

I don't think we can use the Gira "Kill the more active players will allow mafia players to eat on inactivity" because this game has been one of the most active I've ever played...EVERYONE has been active.

And I say that as a EM player...

Was once in a 100page d1 game.

That was horror.

[Alison]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably handwrite the most obscenely villagery possible posts and tell my partner to change the words a little to fit their posting style and send them. Then I would lock them town and instruct them to scumcase a villager and then sheep them on it and say the wagon is pure.

[EnderWiggin]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably handwrite the most obscenely villagery possible posts and tell my partner to change the words a little to fit their posting style and send them. Then I would lock them town and instruct them to scumcase a villager and then sheep them on it and say the wagon is pure.

If I was wolf I would care.

[Alison]

what do you think that says for this game?

That he is a wolf.

[Lime Coke]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably handwrite the most obscenely villagery possible posts and tell my partner to change the words a little to fit their posting style and send them. Then I would lock them town and instruct them to scumcase a villager and then sheep them on it and say the wagon is pure.

Can confirm.

[alexa]

I thought Alexa suspected you earlier for your treatment of me.

@alexa What is your Transcend read?

Why are you talking to alexa, you already solved the game. Transcend and I are wolves.

do we just lolcat now since we got busted so early lol

posts around here

[Alison]

I thought Alexa suspected you earlier for your treatment of me.

@alexa What is your Transcend read?

Why are you talking to alexa, you already solved the game. Transcend and I are wolves.

do we just lolcat now since we got busted so early lol

posts around here

Think he's just having fun. I don't read anything AI off it.

[Lime Coke]

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably distance rather fiercely very early and then coach my teammate to make the sort of posts I can be excused for townreading wrongly so I can get off the read. I expect similar from the wolves here maybe without the nuance of coaching.

If I was a wolf in this game I would probably handwrite the most obscenely villagery possible posts and tell my partner to change the words a little to fit their posting style and send them. Then I would lock them town and instruct them to scumcase a villager and then sheep them on it and say the wagon is pure.

Can confirm.

Except for the scumcase stuff she didn't tell me to do that in JOATED.

Then again it wasn't necessary when I fucked up N4.

[alexa]

I thought Alexa suspected you earlier for your treatment of me.

@alexa What is your Transcend read?

Why are you talking to alexa, you already solved the game. Transcend and I are wolves.

do we just lolcat now since we got busted so early lol

posts around here

Think he's just having fun. I don't read anything AI off it.

i think if you busted matt and his wolf partner he wouldn't act like that. i've seen him do that before as wolf specifically with villagers, he's a lot more cautious about his partner interactions because spew is his thing. i haven't played with him in months but that's a pretty solid unlikely W/W read for me

[alexa]

don't take my word as lie if transcend flips red and im night killed though please just my gut take of it

[alexa]

don't take my word as lie if transcend flips red and im night killed though please just my gut take of it

as law*

[Alison]

don't take my word as lie if transcend flips red and im night killed though please just my gut take of it

Okay I'll note your read.

[alexa]

actually looking at the spew from mac's end looks almost too wolfy to not be wolves lmfao

[alexa]

i will go back to calling it NAI

i just know that i personally have exclusively as town mocked people confidently calling me W/W with someone

[Alison]

TWTBW is not a good read. It annoys me every time someone makes a read off it. If there were 3 things I could force the mafia community at large to believe about mafia it would be:

1) CFDs are anti-town
2) TWTBW isn't a thing
3) DADV isn't a thing

[alexa]

TWTBW is not a good read. It annoys me every time someone makes a read off it. If there were 3 things I could force the mafia community at large to believe about mafia it would be:

1) CFDs are anti-town
2) TWTBW isn't a thing
3) DADV isn't a thing

i said too wolfy to not be a wolf not TWTBAW

[Esooa]

I still believe CFD's are good tbh

Depending on how they're done

Usually they're done poorly

[alexa]

i agree on all 3 of those points though ftr

[Alison]

TWTBW is not a good read. It annoys me every time someone makes a read off it. If there were 3 things I could force the mafia community at large to believe about mafia it would be:

1) CFDs are anti-town
2) TWTBW isn't a thing
3) DADV isn't a thing

i said too wolfy to not be a wolf not TWTBAW

Oh sorry.

You said a phrase that was too similar to my pet peeve so I went off on a hair trigger.

[alexa]

TWTBW is not a good read. It annoys me every time someone makes a read off it. If there were 3 things I could force the mafia community at large to believe about mafia it would be:

1) CFDs are anti-town
2) TWTBW isn't a thing
3) DADV isn't a thing

i said too wolfy to not be a wolf not TWTBAW

Oh sorry.

You said a phrase that was too similar to my pet peeve so I went off on a hair trigger.

yeah my point was that it was so wolfy i rescind my non-W/W read
pet peeve of mine too tbh

[Lime Coke]

I still believe CFD's are good tbh

Depending on how they're done

Usually they're done poorly

Yes, CFD Appel who was my most confident townread while you and Marl were W/W wagons at EOD.

Extremely poorly.

[Alison]

Thats a good derp clear it makes her three quarters clear

Suspicious Nanook post.

I believe he has been fairly adamant about not clearing me for stupid shit multiple times in the past.

[Alison]

Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.

I shall overlook your bad entrance in lieu of Esooa testifying you always have bad entrances and the fact that you have the exact same POE as me.

[Alison]

Yes she absolutely would, and I'm reasonably sure she has

What happened to three quarters clear?