alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:12 am
i am fine w/transcend or mac votes
don't fully understand the TSP townreads but maybe he's just threadspewed
TSP has a town slanking meta or similar apparently (although nobody seems to be agreeing on the exact details lol).
I don't think threadspew really exists in a 9v2 game though. Especially because if TSP were a wolf he would literally only have one other partner in the game.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:18 am
ts is prob like
esooa
alison
wiml
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alexa
ilario
brad
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nanook
tony
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mac
ender
this feels meh
i may be over-focused on matt's read on me but i don't understand why ilario and i moved down
why don't you consider at all that alison could be reading you in bad faith? @Transcend
Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:50 am
wiml how do u feel about me now bby
I still think you're more likely than not a wolf and I don't agree with the reasons defending you thar Esooa brought up tbh but I'm also not ready to give up trying to find you if you're town. I think that you're consistently making very wolfy / self aware posts and that the vast majority of your reads have been very surface level in a way that makes it feel like you're not actively trying to solve.
I'm mostly conflicted because in the nicest way possible it feels like you're not even trying to hide that there's no real though process behind your reads. I'm conscious that if I'm misreading you then it's probably because of clashing playstyles / different ways of solving and that's why I really want you to explain some more of your reads to me please.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Can't be bothered typing out the full tag I'm busy.
Esooa what were the meta differences you noticed for Transcend to be town? I found his ISO in his town game to be a lot more cohesive and he could actually explain his reads there.
@Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 am
what do you think about the scum reads on you in general?
it's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
in addition to him re-evaluating brad
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:31 am
Voting Transcend.
Can't be bothered typing out the full tag I'm busy.
Esooa what were the meta differences you noticed for Transcend to be town? I found his ISO in his town game to be a lot more cohesive and he could actually explain his reads there.
because most his reads in his town game were reasonably surface level (not that it's bad though)
meaning it's less relevant he is here
in his wolf game his posts are kinda, disjunct, like in the town game he kinda posts and it seems way less uncomfortable when compared to the way he approaches a lot of stuff as a wolf (also especially votes on him)
rereading his ISO this game I think his progression on LC makes sense, calling the LC post where he says he has no reads wolfy is good for example, and his posts in general containing short reads is again good actually when compared to his over explanation/self awareness as a wolf
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am
@Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 am
what do you think about the scum reads on you in general?
it's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
in addition to him re-evaluating brad
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
Thanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:31 am
Voting Transcend.
Can't be bothered typing out the full tag I'm busy.
Esooa what were the meta differences you noticed for Transcend to be town? I found his ISO in his town game to be a lot more cohesive and he could actually explain his reads there.
because most his reads in his town game were reasonably surface level (not that it's bad though)
meaning it's less relevant he is here
in his wolf game his posts are kinda, disjunct, like in the town game he kinda posts and it seems way less uncomfortable when compared to the way he approaches a lot of stuff as a wolf (also especially votes on him)
rereading his ISO this game I think his progression on LC makes sense, calling the LC post where he says he has no reads wolfy is good for example, and his posts in general containing short reads is again good actually when compared to his over explanation/self awareness as a wolf
ftr i don't think transcend can be meta read in this way, especially off of the sample size you're looking at. i have fallen into the trap where i've townread him incorrectly multiple times for not being as wolfy as his last game.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:31 am
Voting Transcend.
Can't be bothered typing out the full tag I'm busy.
Esooa what were the meta differences you noticed for Transcend to be town? I found his ISO in his town game to be a lot more cohesive and he could actually explain his reads there.
because most his reads in his town game were reasonably surface level (not that it's bad though)
meaning it's less relevant he is here
in his wolf game his posts are kinda, disjunct, like in the town game he kinda posts and it seems way less uncomfortable when compared to the way he approaches a lot of stuff as a wolf (also especially votes on him)
rereading his ISO this game I think his progression on LC makes sense, calling the LC post where he says he has no reads wolfy is good for example, and his posts in general containing short reads is again good actually when compared to his over explanation/self awareness as a wolf
Thanks. I'll come back to you on this in a moment.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am
@Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 am
what do you think about the scum reads on you in general?
it's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
in addition to him re-evaluating brad
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
Thanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.
the way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of them
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am
@Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 am
what do you think about the scum reads on you in general?
it's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
in addition to him re-evaluating brad
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
Thanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.
the way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of them
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
Tbh his analysis of voters would've felt better if he actually did it instead of mentioning it abstractly
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
like his explanation that he's just confbiased there in the beginning of the game is ~fine but i don't see the moment he becomes confbiased? or what triggers it?
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:18 pm
alison what's your lime read right now?
interested to hear what you think, since u seem to be in agreeance with me that he's not out of scumrange yet.
these are posts I think are towny rereading his ISO
the reason I call his wolf game posts disjunct is things like this show up much less
this is kinda true for wolves in general fwiw which is why I'm fine with the small sample size
but he town read Alison and actually is considering her read here. Like it makes sense town him is curious about one of his TRs read. But it's not something people think about as much as a wolf
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:18 pm
alison what's your lime read right now?
interested to hear what you think, since u seem to be in agreeance with me that he's not out of scumrange yet.
these are posts I think are towny rereading his ISO
the reason I call his wolf game posts disjunct is things like this show up much less
this is kinda true for wolves in general fwiw which is why I'm fine with the small sample size
but he town read Alison and actually is considering her read here. Like it makes sense town him is curious about one of his TRs read. But it's not something people think about as much as a wolf
i don't think this applies as much in the world where LC is town because it seems like scum!him trying to build up suspicion on a villager by emphasizing that Alison had his same hesitations and prodding her to discuss them more
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm
anyways i don't rly tr lime and imma keep my vote here for the time being
i did entertain the thought of him possibly being tmi'd as town due to all the dissent for my vote
but he's still kinda scummy and he may just be in there deeper than ppl think
i also fos ender but i'm gonna try and not be a confbiased pos here just because i feel like i'm on to something
this post gave me a big scum read on transcend earlier cause I've seen him hard commit to bad reads as a wolf before but I'll explain why I think it's good now
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:40 am
wiml not agreeing with me is slightly cause for concern I feel like
Ftr one of the reasons I think your town is because I think your meta case is actually pretty bad lol.
I don't really think any of his games have reads that are as poorly formed as this one, at least early on. Mountains climbing doesn't really have any proper early reads at all and I think that indicates that Trams might struggle to fake them like he did here tbh.
Are you really confident in this? I respect your judgement tbh but I'm just not seeing it.
matt has been latching onto the whole "confbiased" thing and there's been moments i've found that villagery as it can be my worldview but based on his actual content i'm kind of struggling to fit the word sincerely into his actual play
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am
@Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 am
what do you think about the scum reads on you in general?
it's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
in addition to him re-evaluating brad
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
Thanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.
the way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of them
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
I don't think he's trying to critically analyse his voters at all tbh. It feels more like an acknowledgement than an analysis.
I'm really conscious that I'm arguing here against people wjo I think are town and whose judgement I trust a lot and that's making me feel worse about the Transcend vote even though I disagree with all the reasoning for him being town that I've seen.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm
Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town
(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.
I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.
Then proceed to lead town into an L.
ok this is kinda towny
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pm
ok i'm caught up
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm
due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
while this is probably valid have u ever been tricked by wolf!alexa?
i feel like her games would be v difficult to distinguish because she has extremely high wim as either align
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm
brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm
due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
this was a rlly quick transition it almost feels unnatural
like just read over this
it's not bad it's towny
there's only one post relating to his LC read that I disagree with the read
I think LC is town but most the points here are valid
the process of having mixed reads on LC leaning wolf after catch-up>saying he doesn't know who to vote>exploring the wagon on his town read (illario) and disliking LCs play around it into voting him is good>actually going back to find posts to pull what he doesn't like feels like conviction/belief in the read I like
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am
@Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 am
what do you think about the scum reads on you in general?
it's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
in addition to him re-evaluating brad
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
Thanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.
the way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of them
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
I don't think he's trying to critically analyse his voters at all tbh. It feels more like an acknowledgement than an analysis.
I'm agreeing with the turtle
We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:56 am
I'm really conscious that I'm arguing here against people wjo I think are town and whose judgement I trust a lot and that's making me feel worse about the Transcend vote even though I disagree with all the reasoning for him being town that I've seen.
i'm kind of trying to make sure i don't leave any stone unturned
your read on him does make me feel better about my own
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm
anyways i don't rly tr lime and imma keep my vote here for the time being
i did entertain the thought of him possibly being tmi'd as town due to all the dissent for my vote
but he's still kinda scummy and he may just be in there deeper than ppl think
i also fos ender but i'm gonna try and not be a confbiased pos here just because i feel like i'm on to something
this post gave me a big scum read on transcend earlier cause I've seen him hard commit to bad reads as a wolf before but I'll explain why I think it's good now
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm
Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town
(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)
Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.
I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.
Then proceed to lead town into an L.
ok this is kinda towny
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:13 pm
ok i'm caught up
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm
due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
while this is probably valid have u ever been tricked by wolf!alexa?
i feel like her games would be v difficult to distinguish because she has extremely high wim as either align
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm
brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm
due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
this was a rlly quick transition it almost feels unnatural
like just read over this
it's not bad it's towny
there's only one post relating to his LC read that I disagree with the read
I think LC is town but most the points here are valid
the process of having mixed reads on LC leaning wolf after catch-up>saying he doesn't know who to vote>exploring the wagon on his town read (illario) and disliking LCs play around it into voting him is good>actually going back to find posts to pull what he doesn't like feels like conviction/belief in the read I like
i don't find any of this towny
the way he commented on the 3-vote wagon on ilario reminded me of exactly what he did in MCM with a 3 vote wagon on a villager
the way you're describing it is way more nuanced than how it actually reads
