Batman: The Animated Series mafia win

[Epignosis]

Made could actually be spewing all 3 Esooa, Sean, and Falcon town in 1 go if he's scum.

Correct.

i disagree about all 3 being spewed. the post was scummy but idk how much spew it actually holds.

I agree. An advanced rule of three would actually suggest there is at least one mafia among {Esooa,Sean,Falcon}, and I'm not convinced there aren't two.

Irony.

[Epignosis]

LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

@Alison I'm still waiting to hear why you think I'm towny. I know, there was a hidden joke inside my original question, but the layers of humor that I provide should not distract from the seriousness of the question.

LC, Sean, Falcon all town.

Made is scum.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Why am I town? I haven't done anything towny.

Early game unbridled aggression is townie for you. I correctly read you town in basic mafia (and it got called TMI) for reaction testing, as an extension of that. Putting down and pushing a gut scumread on Esooa specifically is also townie because she is not a great target to opportunistically push D1 as mafia due to being both OMGUS-y and able to obvtown herself. I don't think your falcon read is correct but I think you're townie.

Why is my Esooa read OMGUS-y?

This is a case where Seanzie misreads the post. Seanzie did the same thing to me being a smartass (from my perspective- and I don't mind that). It isn't a deep interaction.

I'd like people to talk about Seanzie's treatment of me regardless of my alignment.

My eyes glaze over whenever I read the posts of you two talking to each other.

I think you're both just argumentative boomers and are doing your argumentative boomer thing. I don't find Seanzie's treatment of you particularly scummy if that's what you're fishing for.

My parents are boomers. Get lost, Millennial.

My parents are gen-X-ers. I do not refute the claim of being argumentative though.

That being said, I pissed Epi off pretty badly last time he was scum (I think?), and I wouldn't be surprised he if wants revenge this time that he is scum.

Alison's comment is noteworthy.

While I'm not a vengeful person, Seanzie thinks I can't just kill him off if I'm bad this time around apparently.

[Transcend]

Hi love muffins

[Transcend]

Doggy luvs all

[Epignosis]

Alison, what's your Seanzie read.

He's lightly town. His D1 was better than his D2, but I think he tends to go for a more agreeable persona as scum (and especially in this kind of gamestate where people are losing WIM and townies are getting modkilled), so I liked the fact that he cased you. I don't agree with the case, though.

Which of my scum games have you read?

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

None. I was informed of your scum meta by MacDougall.

I don't know why you're bothering to do this when it should be clear to you by now that I can just read you. You got pissy at me about reading you for certain reasons despite not knowing your scum meta both in Spank and in basic mafia, and I was town in both.

I don't get pissy. I ask you to explain your reads, and then I poke are your reasoning to see if there is substance there. I use it as a chance to read you. Here you specifically are referring to a scum meta, based on second-hand information, which is honestly not really true. Even if Mac did tell you that (I won't press when for raisins), it isn't accurate meta on me.

You trying to play this off as me being pissy, and not me just asking you to explain your read is telling.

This is the first interaction that doesn't scream staged.

It goes nowhere.

I don't get pissy. I ask you to explain your reads, and then I poke are your reasoning to see if there is substance there. I use it as a chance to read you. Here you specifically are referring to a scum meta, based on second-hand information, which is honestly not really true. Even if Mac did tell you that (I won't press when for raisins), it isn't accurate meta on me.

You trying to play this off as me being pissy, and not me just asking you to explain your read is telling.

You have directly or indirectly insinuated that I am reading you a certain way because I have TMI on you despite having a lack of "accurate meta" three times in three games and you have voted me for them. In basic mafia you directly contributed to (bad) suspicion on me because of that read.

I trust Mac's evaluation of people's meta. He is a good player and the reads that he makes based on meta is usually accurate. I have no reason to believe his meta is ill-informed; if you disagree with it, okay, but that was the reason I made that read on you.

Yes, I directly or indirectly insinuate a lot of things a lot of the time to see how people react.

The one time Mac was town and saw me scum, I had a great D1 where I pushed him and JJJ really hard, and then I essentially went MIA after that, posting only occasionally D2 and D3.

I changed my mind, I want to press. When did you talk to Mac about my meta?

I talked to Mac about your meta in a game I don't want to talk about any further because it might violate game integrity.

I don't care to say more than that.

Alison doing this is an attempt to drum up credibility for understanding Seanzie's way of doing things in a way that can't be validated and indeed gets shut down the moment the subject inquires more from the initiator.

Thumbs down.

There's more, but I'm tired of this.

[Epignosis]

30ish posts of Transcend/Kami/Alison where Alison tries really hard to push Kami and Transcend defends Kami.

Honestly doesn't read like Theatre.

I kinda wanna say Transcend/Kami lock v as well. Which makes Kami/Transcend/Fingers/Falcon/Esooa a winning towncore even without me.

Can you talk about Fingers and Falcon? I don't think they are nearly as widely townread as the others in that group.

Falcon has long interaction with NAA on D2. Doesn't feel forced.

Fingers is much weaker but was one of the first to point out NAA silent voting and said she felt weird about it which doesn't feel very w/w.

Do you have any non-associative reads on these slots?

Associations and spew can be good tools, but they are easily manipulated and do not tell a whole picture.

Moving the goal posts.

[Epignosis]

That's Seanzie. Ender will be next.

[Transcend]

The funny part is that doggy and alison have less lolcats combined than hollowkatt did

[Epignosis]

ender - you feel good about sean now?

not that i disagree but what was ur transition in that department

[Epignosis]

The funny part is that doggy and alison have less lolcats combined than hollowkatt did

*fewer

You mean "fewer."

[Epignosis]

w.e ill vote sean but im more confident on ender
[VOTE: seanszie] aubergine

Is there any more intent to vote ender

[Epignosis]

I skimmed that one, I'll admit. But I'd do Seanzie in before Ender as of right now.

[Epignosis]

I wonder what to make of Ender doing nothing but straight sheeping at this point in the game.

I think it's mildly townie because I think Ender is the kind of person who would want to impact the game more as wolf and because the specific person he chose to sheep (ie. me) isn't a typical or good choice for a wolf employing this strategy.

that's true. I'm not sure why he's doing that though as town, tbh.

Maybe lazy. Maybe doesn't have many reads/can't get into the game so just sheeps.

Is there a reason to believe the same conditions wouldn't apply were Ender a wolf?

No. I'm saying that these are the most common reasons to hard sheep early as town.

I think he's town not for these reasons but because of what I said above, re: the impact + choice of sheep thing.

Esooa challenged Alison's assessment of Ender. This is an awkward defense and looks like one.

I'm afraid that's rather shortsighted of you.

Guilty people use qualifying language far more than innocent people, especially those who are afraid of being caught. Adverbs are qualifiers (and the worst ones). Weasel words and hedging language also factor into what I look for. All of these things are present in Ender's posts.

Is it foolproof? No. It's an indicator.

I think scum hedging tends to operate in the form of leaving options open for themselves later on rather than just expressing uncertainty or using qualifying language. "I think Epignosis is town but not sure" is not scummy; "Epignosis could be town for X, but he did Y which is kinda scummy... not sure overall" is more towards the scum-hedging side because it leaves open the path to read Epignosis either way you like later on without any accountability. In that context I think the hedging you've identified in Ender's posts isn't that scummy.

Alison defended Ender against my tirade against mafia using hedges in their language.

I'm caught up.

I think it's Epi and one of splints/Rondo. The case on me is crap and the timing was designed to draw heat away from the soft slots. Less likely splints than Rondo for obvious reasons. Syn could be in on it or just a townie with bad reads.

In this world it is probably not Kami because if the scum team wanted to drum up an Alison exe and she was on it they'd just send her to do it. I don't know who the last person is. It could be Ender fishing for a pocket and slowly withdrawing support as they move towards an Alison exe. It could just be someone like Axe who's afk watching as it happens. I'd prefer to flip Epi first, and ideally want Epi/Rondo wagons.

Ender is named here. So is Axe. Alison wants my head.

Rondo's ISO:

- Still not a fan of the fact that his first few posts were just regurgitating other people's reads. I don't care about the roleplay, I think it's NAI.

- Paranoia about a tie and trying to strongarm splints into voting his way to avoid it (#1136) is townie.

- #1236 is a good look.

Not that I am siding with you or in any way placing myself in your camp but I have similar offputting playstyle apparently

This comes from someone who doesn't know Made is town and is paranoid about being linked to him after a Made red flip.

- Trying to push on Transcend for putting himself in the towncore is weird but I'm inclined to think it's an NAI/game philosophy difference.

- #1335 is player salad.

Thats unexpected, I expected you to go for finger, lime, sean or Tran

Bad look.

- #1387 looks unpartnered with Made, on a similar level to #1236. I agree with Esooa's take that it looks like he doesn't know Made is red here.

- Don't really like #1902.

Bout to ask town to chop me to get out. Definitely not how I saw this game going. So toxic

Blatant AtE, and I don't really think he's upset enough to want to be exed to get out of the game. He certainly isn't now.

- Don't like this POE.

Kami - leading HK and flip
Syn - Gut read no time to go find evidence
Tran - Too many people like you as full town, utr
Not - Day 1 silence into making made full target
Ender - I am always suspicious of Ender

The reason to sus Trans is nonsense. The reason to sus Ender is nonsense. There is no reason to sus Syn. It's just a player salad with little labels attached.

"I am always suspicious of Ender" is not nonsense. It's a statement of fact based on what the speaker does.

[Epignosis]

Break for me.

Piss and so forth.

[Epignosis]

Falcon next.

[Epignosis]

bradley ur vote is probably valid but doggy thinks that falcon is likely town

(there's my tmi read of the game enjoy)

You really think so?

yeah he seems fairly reactive and some of his reactions were kinda scummy ngl but like i just don't think he'd put himself so out in the open so early as scum. tbh his response to ur push was kinda towny. i'm sure it didn't rlly help u out but still that's the vibes i got.

Vibes. With a whole lot of commentary.

how 2 iso

Under the profile picture has the "Number of posts in the thread" thing. Click on the number.

thanks

how do u feel about the ppl voting falcon with u?

Okay.

Let’s do this [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Strange that you're voting me instead of the one you claim is trying to pocket you, no?

Nah. It’s a framework. In it ur the obvious scum, esooa is sus for distracting me from you and Sean and ride or die homie. Could be entirely wrong, but that’s the frame work rn. If ur town, essoa look better and Sean looks worst

how 2 iso

Under the profile picture has the "Number of posts in the thread" thing. Click on the number.

thanks

how do u feel about the ppl voting falcon with u?

Well so far I'm leaning Syn town currently for the opening interaction I've had with him. Plus I've maybe played 1 game with him? I remember him being this low energy and short posting as town. I don't see his reasoning to vote Falcon yet.

Made I have mostly null? The preflip and where he's going with the read is weird? Like him calling Falcon obvious scum sure enough, but the stuff with Esooa being the distraction I don't see currently?

Like in terms of sheeping me, like it makes sense since I literally wolf cased him 2 pages into the game. It's still super early so maybe not an opportunistic thing yet for scum to latch on?

ok so let's say for whatever reason ur wrong about falcon and he's just a townie that doesn't know how to take a joke

what would u make of made there?

Looking at what I bolded, if Falcon is town and Made is mafia, he spews Sean town because he's pre-emptively using a villager's death as a reason to push another villager.

No idea what it does for Esooa though.

this is a p good call I'd say

but in a world where falcon is town, do u think that made trends more towards town or maf?

WE'RE IN A WORLD WHERE FALCON IS TOWN GUYS OKAY

[Transcend]

dayvig: trans

dude's kinda wolfy prob has to go

[Epignosis]

hollowkat/trans/falcon gg ez

I hate that u sr me and some other dude that i tr but this is probs a town slip given that there's 4 maf this game lol

But it's ok we can work on it

Well, if anybody knows about slips...

It's okay. We can work with it.

[Transcend]

help i'm being bullied and i can't get up

[falcon45ca]

dayvig: trans

dude's kinda wolfy prob has to go

Funny, I had that same thought D1

[Transcend]

next to post is spewed town

(i did this already and alison posted after, but that's a lie, so, for reals this time)

[Transcend]

how 2 be a doggy in one easy step

[Transcend]

step 1. be me :3

[falcon45ca]

how 2 be a doggy in one easy step

What's your favorite dog breed? Which breeds have you owned?

[Transcend]

how 2 be a doggy in one easy step

What's your favorite dog breed? Which breeds have you owned?

German Shepherds are beautiful

my first dog was a German Shepherd / chow chow mix.

my current dog is an Australian Shepherd

[Transcend]

woof woof wats for lynch lol

[Transcend]

am rly good woof boi

pls gib pets n treets

[Epignosis]

i have been wrong about nearly everything so i'm just gonna sheep y'all on falcon v

Oh one final thing

Falcon who r u and y r u bein a chump

How do i have equity w naa

Bad birdy

Ima shit in ur bird seed

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Fuck u

who said Falcon is a wolf, I want to shake their hand

Brad the rad n1'd lad

I'm also convinced that falcon is a scumfuck

But falcon/finger doesn't seem paired due to ~raisins~

Some ugly interactions here, but I don't put anything past Transcend at this point.

And those raisins are turds. We know how those smelled.

[Transcend]

i have crumbed my partner 18 times within all my messages

u should be able to find him or her if u use a cryptography website

[falcon45ca]

how 2 be a doggy in one easy step

What's your favorite dog breed? Which breeds have you owned?

German Shepherds are beautiful

my first dog was a German Shepherd / chow chow mix.

my current dog is an Australian Shepherd

Yes they are. Austin Sheps are awesome, very smart and beautiful coats.

I'm a big fan of Rotties, and I love beagles. I've had Rotties, Beagles, Shelties, Rough Collie, Dachshund, and a bunch of mutts.

What's your dog's name? My Beagle's named Maynard

[Transcend]

how 2 be a doggy in one easy step

What's your favorite dog breed? Which breeds have you owned?

German Shepherds are beautiful

my first dog was a German Shepherd / chow chow mix.

my current dog is an Australian Shepherd

Yes they are. Austin Sheps are awesome, very smart and beautiful coats.

I'm a big fan of Rotties, and I love beagles. I've had Rotties, Beagles, Shelties, Rough Collie, Dachshund, and a bunch of mutts.

What's your dog's name? My Beagle's named Maynard

Jack

he is the goodest boi tho i'm scared he's gonna croak soon, he's about 13

[Transcend]

Moment of silence for the fallen Majister, RondoMcDondo

[Epignosis]

OT color would be preferred.

[Transcend]

He self voted like a champ and had the best gimmick ever as well as the best reads lists

[Transcend]

Alright moment over.

[Transcend]

If u can guess who we tried to kill when somehow we decided it was a good idea to have the outed maf lead the kill I will make my sig whatever u want

U only get one guess

[Transcend]

The answer will be revealed..... post-game

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, my dude's 13 this fall. He's got lots of energy still, but I feel ya. Hard when they say goodbye

[Transcend]

Spoiler: show

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

[falcon45ca]

Tran today, Sean tomorrow. Hard to see myself moving off that TBH

[Transcend]

Spoiler: show

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

Btw,

Hammer is at 8

so we're pretty close now.

me too

[Transcend]

at the end of the day, i don't really give a shit

im the motherfuckin batman

[Transcend]

Host/dead/spec
5
45%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Scotty, DkKoba, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Lime Coke

this wagon is pure for sure

we already have two confirmed town on here

[falcon45ca]

at the end of the day, i don't really give a shit

im the motherfuckin batman

Can we see your bat costume and bat signal?


Do you have an Alfred too?

[Transcend]

Transcend
3
27%
Voters: falcon45ca, Transcend, Kami

in 0 worlds does this wagon lynch mafia

there's an outed wolf on here the fuck are u guys doing COME ON

[falcon45ca]

Prolly a Roomba with a cocktail tray on top in a lil butler suit

[Epignosis]

Seanzie would be my first lynch.
Ender or Falcon my second.

I'll look into fingersplints and Kami tomorrow I suppose, but in case I don't get a chance, that's where I am.

[Transcend]

who is None and how come they get to vote multiple ppl

[falcon45ca]

who is None and how come they get to vote multiple ppl

That's the influence of Dark Matter & Dark Energy on our Universe

[Transcend]

once upon a time i was a dog

then i became a human

then i lied because i've always been a dog