Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[Wiml]

Okay before I catch up to what I missed I’ll probably go over where my head is at rn

I don’t think tsp/nanook are maf/maf. That feels just way to level 0 for team to be teamed. I think they are at best w/v or v/v. If I had to pick whose more likely to be villager it’s probably tsp, and mostly because in this table everyone is posting into the hundreds and day 1 and people Like essoa/alexa/lc are getting pretty solidly into the towncore. I don’t think scum!tsp sees that as wolf and decides the best approach is to just 45 post and play the game the way he has. Wolves Atleast like to pretend to look like they’re gamesolving, he isn’t even doing that. Also the sheer amount of people that gave him a meta clear d1 for doing nothing somewhat makes me think he may be threadspewed.

This leaves me in a dilemma, because a very likely wincon for wolves is to just talk me and tsp to lylo, and just rely on him snapvoting me or loltunneling me for the town loss. Which means I have at best 1-2 days to figure this game out before we just lose. Normally I like it when slots like wiml hard shield me because even if they’re wolf it guarantees me safety and I can just hunt for their partners and then yeet them later. Due to my mentioned dilemma I probably can’t do that this game, so I’m gonna have to re-eval everyone from scratch today.

I already did that alexa, she’s town and I’m willing to bank the game on that. I feel pretty confident essoa is town too. That’s currently what I’m working with.

Wiml is the next person I feel most comfortable reading here, and after reading properly he had a lot of concerning progression yesterday. The way he dealt with trans felt icky, he kept prodding trans to not give up and it looked as if he was trying to work with him, but at the same time he would have posts where he said that there’s no world in which trans is not being yeeted. It didn’t feel like he was trying to solve trans if he had it made up in his mind that trans had to always go. It leads me to question what the point of his interactions were with trans if he was always going to yeet him anyways? Another issue is how narrow his field of focus has been. He trs me and Alexa. That’s good and he’s not wrong, but it’s a read he probably would make as either alignment. My issue with wiml is I have no idea what his stance on other slots are. He said very early that me and Alexa are freebies and he just needs to find 5 more town to win. But after that he didn’t really make an effort to find more town or to solve the other slots. Wiml normally makes deep meta dives and iso dives into every slot in the game but that sort of analysis hasn’t been there thus far, and I was waiting all of d1 to see it but it never came

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

LOLLLLLLLLL WAIT THATS NOT MEANT TO BE A CASE LMAOO. I need to iso and work it out but like maybe some pressure on him isn’t a bad thing so u can leave ur vote if u think it makes sense but u should probably re-eval him independently

alexa's been looking for an excuse and you gave her one.

how have i been looking for an excuse when i defended you all day yesterday

this is never a real thought

I guess you haven't read your own posts because it's blatantly obvious you were trying to justify a vote on me since I became a wagon today.

[alexa]

Okay before I catch up to what I missed I’ll probably go over where my head is at rn

I don’t think tsp/nanook are maf/maf. That feels just way to level 0 for team to be teamed. I think they are at best w/v or v/v. If I had to pick whose more likely to be villager it’s probably tsp, and mostly because in this table everyone is posting into the hundreds and day 1 and people Like essoa/alexa/lc are getting pretty solidly into the towncore. I don’t think scum!tsp sees that as wolf and decides the best approach is to just 45 post and play the game the way he has. Wolves Atleast like to pretend to look like they’re gamesolving, he isn’t even doing that. Also the sheer amount of people that gave him a meta clear d1 for doing nothing somewhat makes me think he may be threadspewed.

This leaves me in a dilemma, because a very likely wincon for wolves is to just talk me and tsp to lylo, and just rely on him snapvoting me or loltunneling me for the town loss. Which means I have at best 1-2 days to figure this game out before we just lose. Normally I like it when slots like wiml hard shield me because even if they’re wolf it guarantees me safety and I can just hunt for their partners and then yeet them later. Due to my mentioned dilemma I probably can’t do that this game, so I’m gonna have to re-eval everyone from scratch today.

I already did that alexa, she’s town and I’m willing to bank the game on that. I feel pretty confident essoa is town too. That’s currently what I’m working with.

Wiml is the next person I feel most comfortable reading here, and after reading properly he had a lot of concerning progression yesterday. The way he dealt with trans felt icky, he kept prodding trans to not give up and it looked as if he was trying to work with him, but at the same time he would have posts where he said that there’s no world in which trans is not being yeeted. It didn’t feel like he was trying to solve trans if he had it made up in his mind that trans had to always go. It leads me to question what the point of his interactions were with trans if he was always going to yeet him anyways? Another issue is how narrow his field of focus has been. He trs me and Alexa. That’s good and he’s not wrong, but it’s a read he probably would make as either alignment. My issue with wiml is I have no idea what his stance on other slots are. He said very early that me and Alexa are freebies and he just needs to find 5 more town to win. But after that he didn’t really make an effort to find more town or to solve the other slots. Wiml normally makes deep meta dives and iso dives into every slot in the game but that sort of analysis hasn’t been there thus far, and I was waiting all of d1 to see it but it never came

[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

LOLLLLLLLLL WAIT THATS NOT MEANT TO BE A CASE LMAOO. I need to iso and work it out but like maybe some pressure on him isn’t a bad thing so u can leave ur vote if u think it makes sense but u should probably re-eval him independently

alexa's been looking for an excuse and you gave her one.

how have i been looking for an excuse when i defended you all day yesterday

this is never a real thought

I guess you haven't read your own posts because it's blatantly obvious you were trying to justify a vote on me since I became a wagon today.

lol

[Wiml]

fwiw because I'm saying a lot of different things

wiml is still my strongest wolf read but I find use in considering things outside that regardless

i agree with you now

i don't think the way he's reading me atm ever comes from him as a villager after how he treated you d1

My read on you has nothing to do with my read on Esooa.

[Esooa]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

[alexa]

i feel like wiml is in antispew and specifically trying to make me look like his partner or something based on how he's replying to me

[Wiml]

i feel like wiml is in antispew and specifically trying to make me look like his partner or something based on how he's replying to me

Wtf

[MacDougall]

updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf

[Wiml]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

[alexa]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm

[Lime Coke]

LC I'm just going to say you lock clearing Alexa when you've not even played with her as a wolf or particularly seen her wolf game, then basing your entire games view on it, and being super pushy with it, is unhealthy for the game even if correct

to a pretty decent degree imo

maybe he just recognizes that i'm an obvious villager and people are fosing me for bad reasons?

like alison was defending me too

I don't really even care if he's right. It's annoying

I'm sorry, I'm pushing my townread because it's the thing I'm the most confident about. Again, if it gets on your nerves I'm sorry, but this is like, something that you can trust me on.

Like there's not that many I have that good of a grip on in terms of reading them.

This is likely the most I'll be helpful with the town. Literally trying to force a townread on people on a player that's going to be super active and work her ass off to try to solve the game that I feel is correct.

Even if I push other reads that are wrong, at least THAT read is going to be right. I call them god reads for a reason.

okay, well your read is based on a psuedo trust tell that Alexa wouldn't "manipulate" you were she a wolf or whatever and that's

1: ridiculous and really bad to push on other people
2: not even a fully accurate read

I see your point, but if I read Alexa correctly about 15 games in a row, isn't that something to consider? Like sure not seeing Alexa's wolf game isn't great. But when I've seen her town game so many times and been right I can kinda trust myself in being able to see her correctly as town.

Plus it's not particularly a "trust tell" it's just something I see her do as town every game.

[Esooa]

updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf

and what particularly made you change your read on me

[alexa]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

[MacDougall]

@alexa your "this is never a real thought" reads are very frustrating and you should remove it from your play. I don't think it is something you will achieve much with having it in your toolkit aside from tilting the town you target with it.

[Esooa]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm

because he does it every single game and it makes thread health worse every single game. I'm telling him to stop

[MacDougall]

updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf

and what particularly made you change your read on me

not telling

[Wiml]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

[Esooa]

updated reads

alexa - Town who needs to chill out and maybe step away

ender - still firmly poe

esooa - Town or this is her best wolf game yet

ilario - i wanna say town but maybe im underestimating a bit... need more info. Significantly more likely town if Nanook wolf and vice versa.

lime coke - extremely scummy

nanook - feels a little more town than usual. He has a bit of a frustrated and authoritative tone which I feel is towny for him in this gamestate.

tsp - who knows

wiml - still think he's wolf

and what particularly made you change your read on me

not telling

that makes me sad

[alexa]

@alexa your "this is never a real thought" reads are very frustrating and you should remove it from your play. I don't think it is something you will achieve much with having it in your toolkit aside from tilting the town you target with it.

i don't think there's anything wrong w/that read

[Esooa]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

I think we should all calm down lol

[Lime Coke]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

It's not impossible for her to fool me, I guess, but what I see what I have seen multiple times and have been right about every time.

[alexa]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

....why wtf

[MacDougall]

When you tell wolves they are not having a real thought they don't get wolfier.

When you tell town they are you tilt them and they do get wolfier in your perspective.

Its a like a bad tunnel trigger for you.

[alexa]

When you tell wolves they are not having a real thought they don't get wolfier.

When you tell town they are you tilt them and they do get wolfier in your perspective.

Its a like a bad tunnel trigger for you.

i'm not trying to "tell" anything though i'm just trying to explain a read

[Esooa]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

It's not impossible for her to fool me, I guess, but what I see what I have seen multiple times and have been right about every time.

Okay well

having a strong read is fine

but it's also just better for the game if you let people develop their own reads

you will get more out of them like that anyways

if Alexa isn't going to be lynched, you don't need to hard shield her

[MacDougall]

@alexa your "this is never a real thought" reads are very frustrating and you should remove it from your play. I don't think it is something you will achieve much with having it in your toolkit aside from tilting the town you target with it.

i don't think there's anything wrong w/that read

The read itself is actually good but until you're able to determine whether the reaction you get is wolf or town indicative you shouldn't vocalise it. So far I see no evidence that it doesn't just lead you into open arguments and tunnels. This is meant to be advice not criticism btw.

[alexa]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

It's not impossible for her to fool me, I guess, but what I see what I have seen multiple times and have been right about every time.

Okay well

having a strong read is fine

but it's also just better for the game if you let people develop their own reads

you will get more out of them like that anyways

if Alexa isn't going to be lynched, you don't need to hard shield her

he literally started shielding me because i was being tunneled though wtf

[MacDougall]

When you tell wolves they are not having a real thought they don't get wolfier.

When you tell town they are you tilt them and they do get wolfier in your perspective.

Its a like a bad tunnel trigger for you.

i'm not trying to "tell" anything though i'm just trying to explain a read

Not every read requires you to post about it. It's fine to see something like that and push that person into doing something more strictly ai.

[Lime Coke]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm

because he does it every single game and it makes thread health worse every single game. I'm telling him to stop

I get it's a pain in the ass and I'm trying to fix it. However it's a push that kinda shouldn't happen because Alexa becomes pretty obvious town from her gameplay, annnnd the threadstate gets bad when she's pushed anyways? So best I could do is soften that out by pushing my townread on those that aren't reading her correctly.

Again, I'm trying to figure out a way to defend her without making everyone go batshit insane or piss people off more. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do so.

Again, sorry if it's making you uncomfortable.

[MacDougall]

When you tell wolves they are not having a real thought they don't get wolfier.

When you tell town they are you tilt them and they do get wolfier in your perspective.

Its a like a bad tunnel trigger for you.

i'm not trying to "tell" anything though i'm just trying to explain a read

Not every read requires you to post about it. It's fine to see something like that and push that person into doing something more strictly ai.

Case in point how I've dealt with Lime Coke today.

[alexa]

im not going to stop my "this is never a real thought" reads because you don't like them
i don't think there's anything wrong w/saying that

if it is a real thought and i'm wrong then sorry

[ilario]

Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

[Esooa]

like the thing about your Alexa read is it doesn't even consider what she can or can't do as a wolf. You're hard clearing her for meta she KNOWS you have. She literally just has to go "this is what LC shields me for every game so I'm just gonna do that as a wolf"

and you think that's impossible?

come on

why are you obsessing so much over this?

LC can read me how he wants. he's right now but he could be wrong in the future. none of that matters atm

because he does it every single game and it makes thread health worse every single game. I'm telling him to stop

I get it's a pain in the ass and I'm trying to fix it. However it's a push that kinda shouldn't happen because Alexa becomes pretty obvious town from her gameplay, annnnd the threadstate gets bad when she's pushed anyways? So best I could do is soften that out by pushing my townread on those that aren't reading her correctly.

Again, I'm trying to figure out a way to defend her without making everyone go batshit insane or piss people off more. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do so.

Again, sorry if it's making you uncomfortable.

it's whatever

I guess it's just mostly about like I said hard shielding her and with caps and stuff

step in the way and tell people they're wrong if you want tbh

but it should be a discussion not just shooting them down imo

I can be like that too so yeah

just saying I think it's much better that way

[MacDougall]

im not going to stop my "this is never a real thought" reads because you don't like them
i don't think there's anything wrong w/saying that

if it is a real thought and i'm wrong then sorry

Think why I would be taking this angle with you.

I think some time away from the thread so your sub conscious can process the information here will help you a great deal here too btw.

[Wiml]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

....why wtf

Your reaction to me calling your D2 is so bad that it's genuinely out of your wolf range.

Like no shit, think about what I'm actually saying instead of blindly attacking me if you want an actual conversation.

[MacDougall]

Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

why

[MacDougall]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

....why wtf

Your reaction to me calling your D2 is so bad that it's genuinely out of your wolf range.

Like no shit, think about what I'm actually saying instead of blindly attacking me if you want an actual conversation.

Hey over here Wiml.

Take a break homie.

[alexa]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

[Wiml]

And ftr alexa I never actually had you below a strong town read you just needed criticising lol.

[alexa]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

....why wtf

Your reaction to me calling your D2 is so bad that it's genuinely out of your wolf range.

Like no shit, think about what I'm actually saying instead of blindly attacking me if you want an actual conversation.

wtf am i saying

im going to iso myself im sorry..

[Lime Coke]

By the way, at least I'm not calling someone a "fucking idiot" during this...

@alexa I'M MAKING PROGRESS!

[ilario]

i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

the only thing that i thought may be tmi was macs reaction to when we were shielding wiml yesterday, he was so sure that we were wrong there that my instant thought at the time was that if one flips wolf i would turbo the other

[Wiml]

Sorry I'm going to leave the thread for the night I think.

I appreciate everyone in this game a lot.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Thats fine but please reflect on my advice when you see me flip town.

Or if you're a wolf don't because this would be exceptional wolf play and you should be applauded for it.

[Lime Coke]

Sorry I'm going to leave the thread for the night I think.

I appreciate everyone in this game a lot.

Yup take a breather, turtle. It's mafia, things get heated unfortunately.

Take care of yourself though.

[MacDougall]

i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

the only thing that i thought may be tmi was macs reaction to when we were shielding wiml yesterday, he was so sure that we were wrong there that my instant thought at the time was that if one flips wolf i would turbo the other

keep in mind that I have a massive ego and >rand reads please.

[Esooa]

alexa I think I've found out why some people get so annoyed in arguments with you tbh.

..you're literally pushing on me and calling my day bad for BS reasons when it's obvious AF i'm not "trying to justify a yeet on you"

You're not worth talking to tbh.

....why wtf

Your reaction to me calling your D2 is so bad that it's genuinely out of your wolf range.

Like no shit, think about what I'm actually saying instead of blindly attacking me if you want an actual conversation.

wtf am i saying

im going to iso myself im sorry..

people just have strong reads right now and are a bit too pushy with disagreement

like I said me too, I was with Mac this SoD

Wimls a bit cranky right now too so yeah. I'm just trying to calm three thread atmosphere down rn

[alexa]

im not going to stop my "this is never a real thought" reads because you don't like them
i don't think there's anything wrong w/saying that

if it is a real thought and i'm wrong then sorry

Think why I would be taking this angle with you.

I think some time away from the thread so your sub conscious can process the information here will help you a great deal here too btw.

..the only reason I can think of you taking this angle with me is if you're wolf and know Wiml is town (IE why i changed my vote)?

so im super fucking confused

[ilario]

why are u guys speaking as if ur yeets are imminent? ur both experienced players and u know that a yeet is never a set thing when its only 3 hours into a 48 hour day

[MacDougall]

Sorry I'm going to leave the thread for the night I think.

I appreciate everyone in this game a lot.

good move boss. we appreciate you 1000.

[ilario]

i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

the only thing that i thought may be tmi was macs reaction to when we were shielding wiml yesterday, he was so sure that we were wrong there that my instant thought at the time was that if one flips wolf i would turbo the other

keep in mind that I have a massive ego and >rand reads please.

i get that mentality and its something im accounting for, dw i was referred to as ego illario/ego waza back in the em forums. ive like to think ive toned that down.