Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[EnderWiggin]

Oh god that was bigger than intended.

[ilario]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

the fact that he has 0 votes and LC has 2 still feels off.

so you vote people for reasons like this and then get mad when they disagree. okay.

i think your vote on LC felt opportunistic

I was voting LC most of the day and only moved to Nanook when Ilario cased him. Please stop tunneling me.

whats ur read on me mac

@EnderWiggin thanks for the effort in ur dive, ill read ur case in a sec, just tryna catch upto the thread

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

the fact that he has 0 votes and LC has 2 still feels off.

so you vote people for reasons like this and then get mad when they disagree. okay.

i think your vote on LC felt opportunistic

I was voting LC most of the day and only moved to Nanook when Ilario cased him. Please stop tunneling me.

whats ur read on me mac

@EnderWiggin thanks for the effort in ur dive, ill read ur case in a sec, just tryna catch upto the thread

hard to scumread you dude

[EnderWiggin]

And now I lay me down to sleep, my head to rest, my feet to keep.

[alexa]

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

@EnderWiggin i'm a bit confused on what the conclusion is from this --> this game

[EnderWiggin]

Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender

[MacDougall]

Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender

why do I play this game?

[EnderWiggin]

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

@EnderWiggin i'm a bit confused on what the conclusion is from this --> this game

In all town games LC shows a sense of "Thought expression" in his reads OUTSIDE his main shield.

This includes explaining his thought process in some posts.

So far this game he hasn't done that.

Arts and Crafts suggests he CAN immitate town game as scum.

However I didn't find a town game where he immitated his lack of thoughts process.

That makes this game scummy.

[EnderWiggin]

Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender

why do I play this game?

For the brief moments when you're right and you feel the rush of endorphins that make your life make sense for a little while.

Then the rest of it is chasing those brief moments.

[MacDougall]

Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender

why do I play this game?

For the brief moments when you're right and you feel the rush of endorphins that make your life make sense for a little while.

Then the rest of it is chasing those brief moments.

there are surely better ways

[Wiml]

@alexa what's your read on Nanook atm?

this is literally the only time i could find in his 9 pages iso where there was a result for searching nanook. there is almost no build-up to wiml being willing to vote nanook, or him showing any real concern to try and solve nanook or any strong interactions between the two, and it almost seems like he tacked it on

I already said Nook was in my PoE and I was pretty sure he would be perma-PoEed for me all game if town anyway. I had nothing against a wagon on him.

[EnderWiggin]

Like LC in all the town games I see:
"X is my shield."

"Also I think this about Y because they did this."

See the posts I highlighted in my dive.

Also see how each header is a link to the ISO.

Because I'm nice.

[EnderWiggin]

Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender

why do I play this game?

For the brief moments when you're right and you feel the rush of endorphins that make your life make sense for a little while.

Then the rest of it is chasing those brief moments.

there are surely better ways

There are.

But neither of us choose them.

[EnderWiggin]

Someone hand me a shovel, I'mma bury LC.

[EnderWiggin]

Also the "thought process" thing is outside shield.

He always explains his shield meta no matter what side he's on.

[EnderWiggin]

Could I be wrong? Maybe.

Do I feel like I'm wrong? NAH.

[Wiml]

Someone hand me a shovel, I'mma bury LC.

[Wiml]

Honestly atp I think Ender might be more likely town than LC.

[EnderWiggin]

k now brad's starting to towntell but i just wanna see some spicy takes from him this game

It'll get there, I'm building my town core this game but I'm being a bit more careful.

i don't rly associate town!brad w/ being careful

u tend to be pretty loose when ur town and u just out ur thoughts the moment u have them

Well I've had recent games where I've built a towncore that's fucked with mafia members in it. So instead of rushing to conclusions I'm trying to not put town in a shit situation after I die.

Also if he flips mafia this was such a "But my reads have been bad" tell.

The one that I do as town, yes, which is why I didn't call him on it in the first place.

[alexa]

the LC pressure is fine with me. I'm not sure I fully agree with it yet but I think his response will make his alignment clear.

[EnderWiggin]

brad why are you voting ilario

Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.

This is the closest read he has to a thought process this game.

[Wiml]

It just feels like one of those moments were scum feel compelled to mention their partners name just to show that they are thinking about them

Obviously, this only applies in a scum!Wiml world

How about we read me properly first instead of preflipping over me being willing to wagon a widely PoEed slot?

[Wiml]

the LC pressure is fine with me. I'm not sure I fully agree with it yet but I think his response will make his alignment clear.

Pretty much this yeah, although I wouldn't discuss this any further.

[alexa]

and by response I don't mean I expect him to go on a tilt because I know he's trying to be better and that shouldn't be expected of anyone

I essentially mean i'll find clarity in how he treats scumhunting for the rest of the day

[ilario]

If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.

Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.

i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: show

I have Nanook, Ender, and Esooa townread as well.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Y'all seriously have to fucking push me at the worst times?

I'm driving now fuck off for a second.

matt's been pushing you from day one

ilario and i commented that your lack of reaction to that is a bit odd but .. it's not really a push, relax

I know Matt has been pushing me all game I just got annoyed with others coming in on that, sorry.

i'm surprised that alison isn't confident LC is town this game if she ranks his scum game a 2 lols

She's seen how bad I play as scum. You can read our maf chat I was literally asking her what to do the ENTIRE game and did draft posts in the chat.

Y'all seriously have to fucking push me at the worst times?

I'm driving now fuck off for a second.

Theres no hammer today so

Also, like, people push when they push, there's no rule or etiquette that says you have to wait for someone to be online to push them lol

I know, I just got annoyed by that happening right before I leave. I always get pushed at the worst possible times, like when I'm about to go to sleep or about to drive and I'm forced to stay on and defend myself otherwise it looks like I froze and I'm outed because I leave the game when I start being pushed.

@Lime Coke can you explain your townread on Nanook/out an ordered reads' list when you have a chance?

I'll answer the question first;

I started townreading Nanook early for townreading and coming to your defense in the early game. That's actually it, I haven't really read him since then because he was away until today while I was at work so I haven't paid enough attention to his posts.

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

oh nvm you had ender/nanook town not tsp

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

wait what changed on TSP/Nanook?

Like I said I noticed the Nanook defense of you early but I can't remember reading him otherwise. Others that are above him I've been reading and been thinking "Okay, they feel pretty towny to me currently."

Hey look, he makes a bunch of reads without much actual reason this game.

[MacDougall]

If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.

Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.

i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.

that is not what the post I quoted was doing in the slightest

[EnderWiggin]

Alright, in an effort not to actually tilt or spam I shall end my stuff there for tonight.

[alexa]

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

I have confirmed LC is scum to myself.

I'll see y'all in the morning.

[ilario]

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

i clicked the links but its not working?

[EnderWiggin]

Btw hi LC, see you viewing. Sorry to come at you full tilt.

[EnderWiggin]

i clicked the links but its not working?

Copy and paste from a quote? I guess?

I think it should work.

Works for me at least lmao.

[alexa]

it doesn't work for me either

[EnderWiggin]

Hmm wait it's giving me "Sorry No Matches" if I do it in an Incognito tab.

[TonyStarkPrime]

You can’t copy paste iso links, doesn’t work

[TonyStarkPrime]

Just find the games though that’s easy

[Esooa]

iso links from mu don't work

[ilario]

If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.

Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.

i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.

that is not what the post I quoted was doing in the slightest

i get tthat, but u think my tr on u lacks conviction, but it doesnt. im like 95% sure ur just town, like i would put u on vvv of my list. the disclaimer "If I am misreading someone It is likely mac" is added because majority of the lobby doesnt feel the same way, so if everyone is against me it could simply be that i am wrong and tunneled to think my tr on u is correct.

[EnderWiggin]

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

[EnderWiggin]

Changed to Game Links.

[EnderWiggin]

ISO links just don't work from MU. Sad days.

[Lime Coke]

@EnderWiggin

Turbo games aren't exactly the games to go off of because they kinda suck.

If you want town meta, go through Shakespeare Maf (this game is a lot closer to that) or Reflections from the Mountaintop.

If you want maf meta, you already went through the 1 mafia game I won (I've lost the others ) and 18er is the other.


This game I've been pulled into defending Alexa incredibly hard, which believe it or not takes way too much energy out of me and I lose game state awareness.
Shakespeare were 3 hour days where I had to hard defend Alexa for like, the first 2 hours, then EOD, or at least the last 10 minutes, came and I'd be clueless on who to vote.

That's kinda the issue this game which I kinda need to learn from but yeah.

[alexa]

Okay one of the mafia games you linked was a turbo though lmao

[MacDougall]

If I am misreading someone It is likely mac, but this is my own personal pet read that nobody is obliged to follow.

Your read on me is unwelcome and I dismiss it. Go back to scumreading me if your conviction on it is like this. You may as well.

i have conviction on the read, but im not gonna drown everyone out and tell them my opinion>theirs and they have to listen to it.

that is not what the post I quoted was doing in the slightest

i get tthat, but u think my tr on u lacks conviction, but it doesnt. im like 95% sure ur just town, like i would put u on vvv of my list. the disclaimer "If I am misreading someone It is likely mac" is added because majority of the lobby doesnt feel the same way, so if everyone is against me it could simply be that i am wrong and tunneled to think my tr on u is correct.

if you need to randomly point out under no pressure that its your worst read it doesn't sound like 95% unless you have the solve

[alexa]

@EnderWiggin

Turbo games aren't exactly the games to go off of because they kinda suck.

If you want town meta, go through Shakespeare Maf (this game is a lot closer to that) or Reflections from the Mountaintop.

If you want maf meta, you already went through the 1 mafia game I won (I've lost the others ) and 18er is the other.


This game I've been pulled into defending Alexa incredibly hard, which believe it or not takes way too much energy out of me and I lose game state awareness.
Shakespeare were 3 hour days where I had to hard defend Alexa for like, the first 2 hours, then EOD, or at least the last 10 minutes, came and I'd be clueless on who to vote.

That's kinda the issue this game which I kinda need to learn from but yeah.

try to focus outside of defending me it's fine brad

[Lime Coke]

Annnnd Lime was the game I was banned for because I called someone an idiot.

Which, again, I'm trying to lay off of; that plus the toxicity in general, which hasn't gone as well as I'd hoped as you saw.

[Lime Coke]

I'm at work so I'm in the void of backreading but keeping up to current game.

[EnderWiggin]

Even in Shakespeare, LC has #1083. And #1422. And #1736. And #3295.

That being said in Shakespear LC does have a lot less of the "thought process" I notice from his towngame.

But it's still there.

Unlike this game. This game is definitely still making me think more of JOATED play.

[EnderWiggin]

Anyway. I'mma sleep and let LC catch up and respond and all that shit.

And I'll see what I think when I catch up tomorrow.

Good night y'all.

Be excellent to each other.