Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[alexa]

one in Ender/LC + one in Nanook/Mac then with an outside chance of Wiml is where i'm at

[Wiml]

okay i iso'd TSP and actually looked at his content in COV and i actually think he's more likely town here.

but like he's townreading Mac/Ender/Nanook the same way i'm townreading the people i know, and i'm certain there's a wolf there

Would you mind linking the TSO games you have?

[alexa]

okay i iso'd TSP and actually looked at his content in COV and i actually think he's more likely town here.

but like he's townreading Mac/Ender/Nanook the same way i'm townreading the people i know, and i'm certain there's a wolf there

Would you mind linking the TSO games you have?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -of-Vienna
this was the one i looked at

[Wiml]

Thanks, did you find a TSP wolf game?

There aren't any on the MU stats.

[alexa]

I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

[alexa]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2164 found a syndicate game worth looking at (tony town, NANOOK/Mac W/W)

[alexa]

Oh and Ender was town there.

[Wiml]

I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

As soon as a player acknowledges a meta tell on themselves (that is within their range to reproduce it) they will inevitably try to reproduce it as a wolf or are sandbagging on purpose. Carrots is a good example of the former.

That is to say, I don’t think hardclearing TSP based on self meta he said in a game in April is a good call and there's probably a reason that the players who know him aren't hard meta clearing him.

I believe Alison said he was loosely in town meta though which is probably worth looking into.

[Wiml]

@TonyStarkPrime do you have a recent wolfgame (that isn't the torment that was Traitors to Exile) that you'd mind linking?

[Wiml]

I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

"How to read TSP: a guide.

TSP is very easy to read. Mafia is a psychological game, and TSP’s mindset as a wolf and as a town is very different. As a wolf, TSP has a desire to be in control. He has studied his Machiavelli and will make every effort to push the game in the way he wishes it to go. But the main thing to think: power hungry.

TSP as town, on the other hand, has no wolfy desire for power. Town TSP has a desire to belong first and foremost. He wants people to recognize him and accept him into their towncores. He has a bit of a messiah complex. He also doesn’t necessarily feel the necessity to make friends, but prefers to avoid making enemies.

I’m slightly tipsy but this will make life easier for all of you in the future"

For reference

[Wiml]

Yeah TSP is playing very similarly here to COV from a brief skim of both ISOs.

I'd like to compare this to a wolf game of his first though.

[alexa]

I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

As soon as a player acknowledges a meta tell on themselves (that is within their range to reproduce it) they will inevitably try to reproduce it as a wolf or are sandbagging on purpose. Carrots is a good example of the former.

That is to say, I don’t think hardclearing TSP based on self meta he said in a game in April is a good call and there's probably a reason that the players who know him aren't hard meta clearing him.

I believe Alison said he was loosely in town meta though which is probably worth looking into.

this is why I originally did not clear him for that reason. it was after reading his COV game and comparing it to here.. just felt very similarly in addition to the town meta part.

[alexa]

Yeah TSP is playing very similarly here to COV from a brief skim of both ISOs.

I'd like to compare this to a wolf game of his first though.

i'll try to find one.

[Wiml]

I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

As soon as a player acknowledges a meta tell on themselves (that is within their range to reproduce it) they will inevitably try to reproduce it as a wolf or are sandbagging on purpose. Carrots is a good example of the former.

That is to say, I don’t think hardclearing TSP based on self meta he said in a game in April is a good call and there's probably a reason that the players who know him aren't hard meta clearing him.

I believe Alison said he was loosely in town meta though which is probably worth looking into.

this is why I originally did not clear him for that reason. it was after reading his COV game and comparing it to here.. just felt very similarly in addition to the town meta part.

Yeah I had a similar impression as well.

[TonyStarkPrime]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 106&t=2164 found a syndicate game worth looking at (tony town, NANOOK/Mac W/W)

that was a big whoops

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime do you have a recent wolfgame (that isn't the torment that was Traitors to Exile) that you'd mind linking?

not really a recent one. I've got i think just one this year:

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 62#p838362

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thanks, did you find a TSP wolf game?

There aren't any on the MU stats.

there's a turbo smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

aww tsp has a desire to belong that's sweet

that was after fargo, I think I'm a little more jaded now in general.
also like

in general, a lot of people take being scumread a lot worse than i do

[TonyStarkPrime]

thread being dead for nearly a full hour? with this player list? impossible

[Lime Coke]

@TonyStarkPrime

Why are you still voting Alexaaaaa?

[TonyStarkPrime]

mac got upset when esooa unvoted

[TonyStarkPrime]

(not serious)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Townie naked vote

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

Townie naked vote

It only works when you don't announce it to everyone.

Like me.

[EnderWiggin]

Wakin up inside

[EnderWiggin]

I am apparently the centre of discussion

[MacDougall]

Wakin up inside

can't wake up

[MacDougall]

mac got upset when esooa unvoted

don't talk about me behind my back bruh

[TonyStarkPrime]

that's not even about you

[MacDougall]

that's not even about you

bro code bruh

[EnderWiggin]

Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

[MacDougall]

ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else

I'm townreading a lot more than just you lolol

Alexa, ender, esooa

bruh why do ppl misread my post

[MacDougall]

Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

[MacDougall]

today we take a few hours off from the hostility to regale one another with humour and tomfoolery

[EnderWiggin]

I'm glad I'm not the only misreader

[EnderWiggin]

Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

Yes I intentionally didn't keep the lyrics going lol

[MacDougall]

Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

Yes I intentionally didn't keep the lyrics going lol

towny tbh

[EnderWiggin]

Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

Yes I intentionally didn't keep the lyrics going lol

towny tbh

Lmao

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else

I'm townreading a lot more than just you lolol

Alexa, ender, esooa

bruh why do ppl misread my post

Oh I get what you mean

[MacDougall]

@JaggedJimmyJay Evanescence good?

[MacDougall]

this poop im doing is not going well for me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

this poop im doing is not going well for me

Try singing lullabies I've always found that helps

[MacDougall]

this poop im doing is not going well for me

Try singing lullabies I've always found that helps

I'll give this a shot next time

[EnderWiggin]

After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

[alexa]

i'm kind of baffled by him not having more of a reaction to the attention on him but i think he said he was busy so i'm giving him time

[Lime Coke]

After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

I mean...there was nothing to really catch up on and I was at work.

What did you expect?

[Lime Coke]

I just got home and I'm on my laptop now let me go through the case and respond to it all.

[EnderWiggin]

After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

I mean...there was nothing to really catch up on and I was at work.

What did you expect?

30 pages of philosophical discussion.

I'm saddened by the lack of life enrichment.

[Lime Coke]

I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

mac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

I'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

[Lime Coke]

Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.


You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.