Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[MacDougall]

why though, what are YOU seeing?

[alexa]

Yeah, tbh I think I'm wayyyyy out of my wolf range and in my town range here.

I don't know what you guys are seeing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

[alexa]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

reasonable tbh

[MacDougall]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

I'm desperately trying to improve the standard of play right now so very

[Lime Coke]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

That shouldn't be taken as emotional. That's just me formatting that so you can read my posts better.

[Lime Coke]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

I'm desperately trying to improve the standard of play right now so very

I'm trying to set the bar lower I don't know what you're doing.

[MacDougall]

The easiest way to win games like this is to force people to live up to a standard of solving that they plausibly can't maintain as mafia. Questioning people to explore their mindset. Offering naked townreads for bad reasons in a high standard mountainous game is how to lose.

[Lime Coke]

why though, what are YOU seeing?

Pure. Unadulterated. Towniness.

[MacDougall]

why though, what are YOU seeing?

Pure. Unadulterated. Towniness.

You aren't going to give any specific references to things that you consider outside your wolf range even though it should be super obvious?

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

I say we should vote Mac out here.

I don't like high bars.

[MacDougall]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

[Lime Coke]

why though, what are YOU seeing?

Pure. Unadulterated. Towniness.

You aren't going to give any specific references to things that you consider outside your wolf range even though it should be super obvious?

It's in my iso somewhere, pretty sure you can find it.

[Lime Coke]

Ender read about 10 of my MU games. Pretty sure he sees my towniness in both here and those games.

He's lucky epicmafia is down I would've had him read my chat mafia games.

Guaranteed he would've come back saying "I don't care about reading this guy's alignment, this guy's a fucking asshole" after reading those.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

I'm desperately trying to improve the standard of play right now so very

Instructions unclear, town locking lime

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

That shouldn't be taken as emotional. That's just me formatting that so you can read my posts better.

I didn't say anything about it being emotional lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The easiest way to win games like this is to force people to live up to a standard of solving that they plausibly can't maintain as mafia. Questioning people to explore their mindset. Offering naked townreads for bad reasons in a high standard mountainous game is how to lose.

Meh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

[MacDougall]

right, awesome.

[MacDougall]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

[EnderWiggin]

Something that came off of that though was Soda's reaction to that. Talking about him leaving me on the back burner as town to push later as scum. As if he actually had it that I was town and shaded Ender for it.
But then he immediately ran back to me being scum, which might've spewed the both of us town with the way he was going about it?

Hmmm.

Am I confbiasing and saying this is weaker and therefore doesn't count for what I'm looking for?

This wasn't the Soda read I was talking about, pretty sure I had another one that was actually detailed in there?

Find it for me?

[Lime Coke]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

That shouldn't be taken as emotional. That's just me formatting that so you can read my posts better.

I didn't say anything about it being emotional lol

Oh well in that case take it as emotional and townread me because of it.

My AtE is unmatched.

[EnderWiggin]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

I'm trying to up it Mac. I'm trying.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

That shouldn't be taken as emotional. That's just me formatting that so you can read my posts better.

I didn't say anything about it being emotional lol

Oh well in that case take it as emotional and townread me because of it.

My AtE is unmatched.

I dont normally TR ate

[MacDougall]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

yes so basically everything you said prior is redundant due to the bolded so ...

[Lime Coke]

How dumb of a read would it be to say that lime is town cause he's using large font and bold and he didn't do that in the joat game iirc

That shouldn't be taken as emotional. That's just me formatting that so you can read my posts better.

I didn't say anything about it being emotional lol

Oh well in that case take it as emotional and townread me because of it.

My AtE is unmatched.

I dont normally TR ate

But you should!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

yes so basically everything you said prior is redundant due to the bolded so ...

Yeah it is harder to do when it involves rereading like a thousand posts lol

[EnderWiggin]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

yes so basically everything you said prior is redundant due to the bolded so ...

Yeah it is harder to do when it involves rereading like a thousand posts lol

True.

But if I can, you can too!

Also I read a fuckton more than a thousand lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

yes so basically everything you said prior is redundant due to the bolded so ...

Yeah it is harder to do when it involves rereading like a thousand posts lol

True.

But if I can, you can too!

Also I read a fuckton more than a thousand lol.

I do not currently have the capacity to do so

[EnderWiggin]

Rip

[ilario]

Is reading Alexa town for getting super upset (I'm crying etc.) a fair read or does she actually have that in her wolf-range? @ilario @Lime Coke

ive seen her get upset just once as a wolf, not to the extent where she was crying and the circumstances were very different the game.

[ilario]

these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.


if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.

What about his Matt scumread?

Does that not count for your "He outs an early scumread" meta?

I’m about 2 pages into his iso and I don’t seem to see it, unless I skimmed past it? I’d need to read the reasoning and basis for his sr but considering Matt was pushing hard to discredit him I wouldn’t say it’s unreasonable for lc to have been wary of that

[ilario]

@alexa correct me if I am wrong but your read on LC isn't lock level is it?

@ilario same question?

Not lock level, I’ve been burnt too many times recently lock towning too many people, my only lock read is alexa and that’s only because we know each other very well and have seen each other’s town ranges and scum ranges extensively

[ilario]

I did not. but he discussed his wolf meta in the COV game and I was noting that as reliable? which is part of why i doubt he's a wolf here

"How to read TSP: a guide.

TSP is very easy to read. Mafia is a psychological game, and TSP’s mindset as a wolf and as a town is very different. As a wolf, TSP has a desire to be in control. He has studied his Machiavelli and will make every effort to push the game in the way he wishes it to go. But the main thing to think: power hungry.

TSP as town, on the other hand, has no wolfy desire for power. Town TSP has a desire to belong first and foremost. He wants people to recognize him and accept him into their towncores. He has a bit of a messiah complex. He also doesn’t necessarily feel the necessity to make friends, but prefers to avoid making enemies.

I’m slightly tipsy but this will make life easier for all of you in the future"

For reference

lmaoooo he doesnt really fit either of those this game, i dont sense a desire for power nor for acceptance/belonging.

[MacDougall]

So if you could have your way you'd have no problem with other town banking an Alexa town read on you being correct and just letting her skate otherwise?

[MacDougall]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

[ilario]

I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

mac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

I'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

[ilario]

“ You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too?”

Am I misinterpreting something or is the wording there off?

But I kinda do that as town too?

.....Implying that he isn’t town right now?

[EnderWiggin]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

Town:
Ilario probably

I'm still re-evaluating this

Scum:
LC

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

Nanook and nanook

[MacDougall]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

Nanook and nanook

please just help me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

Nanook and nanook

please just help me

Ilario obviously

I don't really have my TRs ordered but probably alexa cause I think among my townreads she has the fewest possible teammates

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fewest likely is maybe a better way to put it

[MacDougall]

how do you reconcile your top town read lock clearing your top wolf read?

@alexa do you have a nanook read?

[MacDougall]

I mean I know that you already said you're just not gonna push him and hope his friends are right etc. etc. so I guess that's what you're gonna do.

But then he's not really your top wolf is he? You're essentially choosing to actively town read him by proxy.

So is it far to say your top wolf read you intend to do something about is wiml given you are voting there?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

[ilario]

@Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

town-alexa

maf-this read changes every 12 hours for me, have u seen p#4489 from me? nobody noticed my post there

[ilario]

for reference u should read the bolded in p#4488 first

[MacDougall]

“ You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too?”

Am I misinterpreting something or is the wording there off?

But I kinda do that as town too?

.....Implying that he isn’t town right now?

not at all really, it makes perfect grammatical sense for him to say that from the town perspective