Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.

Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

[Wiml]

And Syn obviously just subbing in wasn't specifically a threat?

[alexa]

does Syn have experience with Wiml's wolf game?

[Wiml]

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.

Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

EM players are historically dreadful at misclearing each other lol but I think alexa/illario are pretty good at reading each other correctly (or at least alexa is at illario, I've never seen wolf alexa town illario before).

Fwiw that illario wolf game I linked you ages ago ended recently where alexa initially tunneled him really hard but came round to calling him 95% likely town. She was wrong in the end but her confidence in him being town was a lot less than it was here.

This is also the reason why I said my illario read was out of my wolfrange yesterday but that's another topic.

[alexa]

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.

Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

at points but i've never hard shielded him as town unless he was actually town because he had very polarized ranges

[Wiml]

does Syn have experience with Wiml's wolf game?

I've only played with him as town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Night 2 has ended. Syn has been ejected. He was Julius Erving, the greatest bridge from the ABA to the NBA of all.

Spoiler: show

You're Julius Erving. You're town. Win the game by eliminating the mafia team.

Day 3 begins. You have 48 hours to place your votes.

huh

[TonyStarkPrime]

anyways I'm here to yell at mac for being annoying

mac

cmon man

[Wiml]

I have never seen alexa be this confident on an EM player read and be wrong ever (with the possible exception of her Neo tunnel but that was different and a scumread).

[alexa]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If LC is town the mafia are probably inside Ilario/Wiml/TSP.

If LC is mafia then his teammate is probably just Nanook or Esooa. Which makes little sense to me.

So I think LC is just wrong town.

Anyways I'm probably just gonna sheep this

[Wiml]

If LC is town the mafia are probably inside Ilario/Wiml/TSP.

If LC is mafia then his teammate is probably just Nanook or Esooa. Which makes little sense to me.

So I think LC is just wrong town.

Anyways I'm probably just gonna sheep this

Fypov this literally says nothing besides alexa/illario t/t though?

[TonyStarkPrime]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

[alexa]

i have ilario's ISO open and i still feel beyond confident that he's a villager. i can case it if needed but like i'm pretty sure if you engage with him at all you'll see it..

i doon't know why we're both alive. i can only assume it's because we're loud thread voices who have been pushing terrible reads and scum only needs one more ML to LYLO. if we're both alive in LYLO i'll spot-check more

[Wiml]

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If LC is town the mafia are probably inside Ilario/Wiml/TSP.

If LC is mafia then his teammate is probably just Nanook or Esooa. Which makes little sense to me.

So I think LC is just wrong town.

Anyways I'm probably just gonna sheep this

Fypov this literally says nothing besides alexa/illario t/t though?

Are we reading the same post

[alexa]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

[Wiml]

i have ilario's ISO open and i still feel beyond confident that he's a villager. i can case it if needed but like i'm pretty sure if you engage with him at all you'll see it..

i doon't know why we're both alive. i can only assume it's because we're loud thread voices who have been pushing terrible reads and scum only needs one more ML to LYLO. if we're both alive in LYLO i'll spot-check more

If you're both alive at LILO you actually need to be thorough please. There's no realistic way that happens uf you're t/t.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.

I still want to know why you think ender is mafia

[Wiml]

If LC is town the mafia are probably inside Ilario/Wiml/TSP.

If LC is mafia then his teammate is probably just Nanook or Esooa. Which makes little sense to me.

So I think LC is just wrong town.

Anyways I'm probably just gonna sheep this

Fypov this literally says nothing besides alexa/illario t/t though?

Are we reading the same post

Oh I saw three names and I'm forgetting other people can have me I their PoEs instead of only the people I have lol

[Wiml]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It doesn't have to be a case obviously just give me a bullet point or something

[Wiml]

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.

I still want to know why you think ender is mafia

I don't tbh. Out of my four name PoE he's the one I think is most likely to be town.

[Wiml]

It doesn't have to be a case obviously just give me a bullet point or something

- alexa and illario are both pretty polarised and probably out of their wolf ranges.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.

I still want to know why you think ender is mafia

I don't tbh. Out of my four name PoE he's the one I think is most likely to be town.

Ok why don't you have him town then

My impression is you're generally pretty confident in your ender reads is that wrong

[Wiml]

After that you asked for three names outside of you lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It doesn't have to be a case obviously just give me a bullet point or something

- alexa and illario are both pretty polarised and probably out of their wolf ranges.

I was asking about ender lol I don't really care about those two rn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ah ok gotcha

[alexa]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

[Wiml]

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.

I still want to know why you think ender is mafia

I don't tbh. Out of my four name PoE he's the one I think is most likely to be town.

Ok why don't you have him town then

My impression is you're generally pretty confident in your ender reads is that wrong

Honestly Ender is one of the players in this game I struggle reading the most, Scythe was completely me blagging about fake meta tells that I don't actually have and were almost completely fabricated.

[Wiml]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

yeah but it's syn, notorious (no offense to syn) sub in min post sub outer

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok I'll catch up

[alexa]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.

syn literally had less suspicion on him than ilario though? like that slot effectively subbed into an Innocent Child slot. i have no idea why this is so shocking to anyone

[TonyStarkPrime]

anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

[TonyStarkPrime]

team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

[alexa]

anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

i no longer think wiml is town with any degree of confidence. im sheeping mac and esooa who both have actually seen him wolf, yes, but i'm also alive for a reason and i'm not stupid

[Wiml]

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.

syn literally had less suspicion on him than ilario though? like that slot effectively subbed into an Innocent Child slot. i have no idea why this is so shocking to anyone

Esooa isn't polarised. Syn has been described in the past as purposefully LHF and has a low effort sub in meta. The slot was far from locked in town.

It's literally impossible for illario to get eliminated this game while you're alive regardless of his alignment.

I think you're really not self aware about your influence on the thread here lol.

[alexa]

team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

yeah i figured if i lived then it meant i was 3rd wolfing. i always re-val day 3 when i'm vil

[TonyStarkPrime]

anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

i no longer think wiml is town with any degree of confidence. im sheeping mac and esooa who both have actually seen him wolf, yes, but i'm also alive for a reason and i'm not stupid

ok

[TonyStarkPrime]

yeah actually game state is fine we kill a wolf today

[Wiml]

team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

In that case I would always kill illario.

He's being hard shielded by alexa and wanted me dead half of D2.

[alexa]

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.

syn literally had less suspicion on him than ilario though? like that slot effectively subbed into an Innocent Child slot. i have no idea why this is so shocking to anyone

Esooa isn't polarised. Syn has been described in the past as purposefully LHF and has a low effort sub in meta. The slot was far from locked in town.

It's literally impossible for illario to get eliminated this game while you're alive regardless of his alignment.

I think you're really not self aware about your influence on the thread here lol.

Esooa was blatantly obvious town to everyone in the game polarized or not. And Syn from my experienced is a wild card, that slot was beyond locked as town

it would've been impossible for ilario or syn to get eliminated while i was alive.

[TonyStarkPrime]

team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

In that case I would always kill illario.

He's being hard shielded by alexa and wanted me dead half of D2.

yeah that's true

[TonyStarkPrime]

so i can clearly not choose the night kill in front of you

[Wiml]

Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.

[TonyStarkPrime]

eh you don't kill ilario because nanook and tsp are liable to go full on mac sheep

[Wiml]

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.

syn literally had less suspicion on him than ilario though? like that slot effectively subbed into an Innocent Child slot. i have no idea why this is so shocking to anyone

Esooa isn't polarised. Syn has been described in the past as purposefully LHF and has a low effort sub in meta. The slot was far from locked in town.

It's literally impossible for illario to get eliminated this game while you're alive regardless of his alignment.

I think you're really not self aware about your influence on the thread here lol.

Esooa was blatantly obvious town to everyone in the game polarized or not. And Syn from my experienced is a wild card, that slot was beyond locked as town

it would've been impossible for ilario or syn to get eliminated while i was alive.

Just listen to literally everyone else.

[alexa]

Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.

read my posts and tell me i'm shielding ilario any more than i'm shielding esooa? the only reason it's obvious is because NO ONE else sussed esooa. this discussion is pointless. if you're arguing that esooa was ever a plausible push then prove it