Bonk Mafia (TOWN WINS)

[motel room]

Mac, are you still around for this?

[motel room]

[VOTE: MacDouggyDugDog ] aubergine

Did you get given a role at least though?

Wait I got given a role?

Mac is confirmed mafia but also confirmed town so long as he remains an un-countered power role claim. The latter trumps the former.

he's neither lol i think he's obv vanilla town trying to bait

or maybe scum trying to look like VT trying to bait

but 0% town PR zero imma eat a sandal yeah

nope and I also lied about having given out a role n0

I gave rondo the cop checks last night

Why is he alive if he claimed role giver? :think:

I can think of a few reasons - because he would have given away the roles even if he got killed? Because WIFOM? Because he's actually faking it or bad?

Do you have a reason in mind?

[TonyStarkPrime]

the fu

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mafia had a chance to just dogpile me and kill me Day 1, but they did not. Oops.

I mean the other consideration here is that they couldnt dog pile you and win and scotty/dyson was the sacrifice to keep you alive

Not a hard push just an obvservation

If scotty was in fact awol for eod they couldn't have dogpiled him, not enough votes

[RondoDimBuckle]

Mafia had a chance to just dogpile me and kill me Day 1, but they did not. Oops.

I mean the other consideration here is that they couldnt dog pile you and win and scotty/dyson was the sacrifice to keep you alive

Not a hard push just an obvservation

If scotty was in fact awol for eod they couldn't have dogpiled him, not enough votes

What I am saying here is you could be wolf role provider and scotty dying is of the choices a better choice than you. Getting Dyson would have been the best choice

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways a lot of people are increasingly close to being clear...Jay, Rondo, radishes...if falcon is mafia we can add motel/mizery/tutuu...apparently mac claimed pr giver, so add that for now...

So yeah, I think we're on a good track

If mac claimed PR giver why isnt he dead amd Dunya is?

Excellent question, not one I'm really interested in rn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mafia had a chance to just dogpile me and kill me Day 1, but they did not. Oops.

I mean the other consideration here is that they couldnt dog pile you and win and scotty/dyson was the sacrifice to keep you alive

Not a hard push just an obvservation

If scotty was in fact awol for eod they couldn't have dogpiled him, not enough votes

What I am saying here is you could be wolf role provider and scotty dying is of the choices a better choice than you. Getting Dyson would have been the best choice

I assume the you here is Jay? I wasn't in danger at eod

[RondoDimBuckle]

Mafia had a chance to just dogpile me and kill me Day 1, but they did not. Oops.

I mean the other consideration here is that they couldnt dog pile you and win and scotty/dyson was the sacrifice to keep you alive

Not a hard push just an obvservation

If scotty was in fact awol for eod they couldn't have dogpiled him, not enough votes

What I am saying here is you could be wolf role provider and scotty dying is of the choices a better choice than you. Getting Dyson would have been the best choice

I assume the you here is Jay? I wasn't in danger at eod

Actually yes, I had you and jay mixed up for a minute, never mind this road is dead

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: TSP ] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No worries lol

More interesting is that you say you didn't get sent anything last night

[Syn]

Remaining post counts for D2:

Alison 100 -- 59 REMAINING
Dyson sphere 131 -- 100 REMAINING
falcon45ca 200 -- 85 REMAINING
JaggedJimmyJay 150 -- 69 REMAINING (nice)
MacDougall 199 -- 66 REMAINING
Master Radishes 174 -- 95 REMAINING
Mizery 160 -- 94 REMAINING
motel room 136 -- 81 REMAINING
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 169 -- 74 REMAINING
NotAnAxehole 132 -- 83 REMAINING
RondoDimBuckle 178 -- 85 REMAINING
TonyStarkPrime 133 -- 87 REMAINING
tutuu 200 -- 52 REMAINING

[RondoDimBuckle]

Dyson sphere 131 -- 100 REMAINING
Master Radishes 174 -- 95 REMAINING
Mizery 160 -- 94 REMAINING

I went and took an exam and I still found time to participate one of your has to be town

tutuu 200 -- 52 REMAINING

not surprised

Alison 100 -- 59 REMAINING

sur- not really


JaggedJimmyJay 150 -- 69 REMAINING (nice)

[tutuu]

Man whats going on with the PR stuff...

[Master Radishes]

Cool stuff. I have little to add. I had done my own glance through Scotty spew and have come to similar conclusions, so I think the collective PoE is a good one.

[tutuu]

I asked Syn what was the repercussion of posting beyond the cap, and was handcuffed by losing my vote. I asked for a 10 post forgiveness and was told no.

So it wasnt a coin flip that killed Scotty, your vote didnt count?

Was anybody else aware of this at the end of the day? I didnt see it mentioned.

He made 100 posts d1 so his vote counted

[Master Radishes]

Yeah, the PR stuff.

Rondo, did you or did you not receive a role last Night? I didn't see a firm 'yes' or 'no' unless I'm blind.

[tutuu]

I think falcon is towny for referencing host communication. I skimmed the OP and theres no rules against it so oh well

[tutuu]

TSP feels scummy so i think hes town

[tutuu]

Mizery feels really scummy to me based off day talk / how safe they are staying. The d1 wagon situation make them look towny but if u ignore that and i think they have a self-preservation agenda

[tutuu]

That said iss cool if u chop TSP and im not suggesting mizery to be chopped early. Just throwin out my reads there, doesnt mean iss necessarily correct to make large change in course

[tutuu]

Okay hear me out

What if its alison + motel room and she told him "ayy man its rough, we needa bus each other, send the survivor deep and hope to win, aint no way we surviving by defending or ignoring each other"

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

I am suspicious of anyone who has hit max posts by EOD personally its not like postcap was a secret

So you're sus of tuttu, myself, Mac, Scotty, JJJ, and dunya? We all have 86+ posts now, all likely to hit 100 before EOD.


And that's just based off your post cap sus, what are your other reads? Do you have anyone outside of the 6 of us in your sus pool? Who and why?

86+ isnt post cap, 99 is post cap and I dont know why you put JJJ in when I specifically said his post cap is excused? Its like you are wilfully misinterpreting me

Funny you say I'm misinterpreting you when I clearly said "likely to hit 100 by EOD"

Your reasoning for letting JJJ be exempt from your sus of post caps is silly, and I refute it on its merits, as LC was not a runaway wagon chop. He wasn't in anymore danger than several other players who have votes on them.

That whole strategy of scum hunting is lazy as well, as it picks out players who aren't as able to defend themselves due to the cap limit.

You didn't even answer my question of whonyout other scum reads are and why except to say "gut read interactions", which is also lazy scum hunting.

So both of your stated cases for susing players are lazy, which means I'm fine with Rondo, Dyson, Motel, Mac for my POE right now

You wasted your last post on this and didnt change your vote which means you want to vote dyson so this just feels performative

[/spoiler]
My post about Falcons 100th post ^ [Day 1 before vote finished]

Spoiler: show

Town:
Tutuu
Mizery
Radish
Scotty
Axehole
Lime
Uhhh music symbol guy

Gut town:
TSP
Dunya
Island. Motel?

Null:
Mac
Nook

Gut scum:
Monkey
Dyson
Falcon

tutuu
radish
jay
rondo

dyson
mizery

axehole
nook
motel
mac
TSP

alison
falcon

also a pocket scum world of some weird shit like dyson + mizery (mizery sees both partners tied at max votes, says fuck this shit)

Why did NAA & motel move from town to null?


TBH, I'm not seeing much in the way of read progression here...your town is still by and large your town, and your scum is still by and large your scum. This is over 12 pages of gameplay.

Falcons 101st post ^ [For those who cant be bothered finding the stamps[ Day 2]

Spoiler: show

falcon's D1 is villagery in tone and approach - I agree with Tony on this. As town he shotguns out a lot of pokes and prods. Most will miss and be smoothed over. A few will hit the mark and he will leap on them. As scum he does the same thing, but instead of a shotgun it's an aimed rifle, and all of the bullets miraculously hit the mark so he has a reason to vote out townies. (See: Bee Mafia.)

The following two posts are to his credit:

I just called Ms Cleo, and LC, Dyson, & motel are all Maf.

Are you implying that dyson and lomo are potential mischops?

Like, we’re not chopping like lomo today even if he doesn’t post any more, but I always prefer content over no content. Don’t you?

Are you implying they are not potential mischops?

The first one is just vintage town Falcon, tonally. He's capable of being aggressive as scum but I don't think it's aggressive to the extent that he comes out fearlessly swinging at three people.

The second one was Scotty trying to cast shade on MR (who I think is town) and falcon poking at Scotty/undermining it.

This post is not to his credit:

I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote

This reads like a soft shade of Dyson & attempt to label a top tier town as teammate should Dyson get flipped.


I like the pun at the start, helps sell the whole thing

Because he seems to believe that Scotty is setting him up for a misexe, but votes Dyson three posts later over Scotty without anything in particular happening that should push him there. He does seem to believe that Dyson/Scotty are teamed in this post, but I'd expect town Falcon to more aggressively bury Scotty here - he's temperamental, and he hates being set up by mafia. Also, his own logic ("soft shade of Dyson") seems to suggest that scum Scotty/town Dyson is a possibility, so it's strange to me that he chooses to vote Dyson over Scotty.

My end verdict on Falcon is that I agree with TSP's read that he's been townie D1 on play alone. He has a good looking interaction with Scotty to his name. He also has a couple of bad interactions and his voting patterns haven't been the best. I would bump him to the upper POE for that, but I wouldn't take him out of the POE entirely.

I asked Syn what was the repercussion of posting beyond the cap, and was handcuffed by losing my vote. I asked for a 10 post forgiveness and was told no.

Alison is like an xray machine on my meta to which I have no lead cape. I wish I could meet her in person. Beluga Whale and 112 are the only others who read me as accurately.

It makes me smile tbh, and since I'm not nearly as good at reading her, it's only mildly immasculating.

Falcon talking about how his 101st post being nullifying of his vote

I spoke wiht syn since we are allowed to fake/talk about host communications and asked if 101st post could be deleted and syn does not have permissions to do this so wouldnt. So, visa vi, ergo, etu, verbatim, ect, ad homonym


Falcon has been caught in a lie?

@falcon45ca

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

What's the lie falcon told?

[tutuu]

Wait really? iirc he had 100 posts i checked the thread thingy. Lemme peep

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Host posts say he had 100 posts d1 and his cao today is 200 so I don't think he went over yesterday

[Master Radishes]

What's the lie falcon told?

Oh wait, was the lie that he suggested he lost his vote when he didn't?

[RondoDimBuckle]

What's the lie falcon told?

My brain is mush from aforementioned exam but I am pretty sure he tried to claim flip wasnt 50/50 because he went over post cap and his vote on dyson was nixed

[VOTE: master radishes ] aubergine

[tutuu]

What's the lie falcon told?

Oh wait, was the lie that he suggested he lost his vote when he didn't?

I think he just used the wrong english tense and meant that he would have lost his vote if he went over, but made it sound as if he did

[RondoDimBuckle]

What's the lie falcon told?

Oh wait, was the lie that he suggested he lost his vote when he didn't?

I think he just used the wrong english tense and meant that he would have lost his vote if he went over, but made it sound as if he did

Coming to falcons defense when you are supposed to be calling him scum! /s

[VOTE: tutuu ] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

What's the lie falcon told?

Oh wait, was the lie that he suggested he lost his vote when he didn't?

I think he just used the wrong english tense and meant that he would have lost his vote if he went over, but made it sound as if he did

Yeah that's what my assumption was when I first read it.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Clearly my brain is shot so I should not be on and I will be relaxing

Master Radishes + Tutuu equity?

[VOTE: sleep ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m going to just let @falcon45ca clarify his intent before I say anything about all that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

@Scotty, future reference mate: when you enclose something between "lol" and "eh" it looks like you mean something other than what you said.

exactly. and then turn around and do exactly that feels like mafia who doesnt have his agenda in one basket

are you happy with scotty's explanation now?

mac, give me some of your rum to numb this pain in my heart

I checked dunya's posts to verify that she had seen and acknowledged Mac's role claim, because as of right now she is the only person left (outside Dyson) who can still offer up a counterclaim, except she can't because she's dead.

As it happens she didn't say anything about it. She made posts after the claim happened, and she referenced Mac once as seen above. We kind of just have to hope she saw it and didn't refute because she was vanilla, because if she was the power role we're never going to know it.

I'm content enough to do that. I will consider Mac to be the power role still.

[Alison]

Attacking? I just think your reason is weak and explained why, and yet your commitment against me is massive.

So massive that you are comparing other reads as to how they would work as my partner despite saying you havent really read the thread. You have absolutely come into this game with me as your target and seeing as I know thats wrong that's suspicious as fuck.

I have a lot of reasons to scumread you. Which ones do you find weak?

[Alison]

I feel that motel room is town

I don't.

motel room -> TSP -> Nanook -> Axe/Falcon is my solve right now.

[Alison]

I can think of a few reasons - because he would have given away the roles even if he got killed? Because WIFOM? Because he's actually faking it or bad?

Do you have a reason in mind?

or because the mafia team did not believe the unprompted PR claim from the guy who makes wild and provocative statements all the time

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I dont know about the stuff Scotty did but "the slot" named dunya that accused me also was happy with my response. You think that's why she died overnight?

You have a very strong agenda here Alison. It feels like it doesnt match what you're offering.
I think the most negative thing about me is that I townread Scotty yesterday but yet that didnt come up here.

This bugs me. I mean, it's "caught for the wrong reasons" verbalized in a very literal form.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Pseudo-blind interactions



Green - doubt they're mafia teammates
Yellow - could be mafia teammates

~ First and foremost remember that each mafioso alive in this game currently has only one teammate, so that can impact and perhaps dilute the value of this approach. I did it anyway. I left off Rondo and Radishes because I don't think there was a bus vote. I left off Mac because of his claim.

~ This has left me with a bit more uncertainty than I started with, though not necessarily in a way I'd call concerning. I don't think my POE pool is likely to change much if at all. The people I already had town reads on were Mizery, NAA, and tutuu among this group. I'm not feeling like any of those is immediately problematic. NAA (and Nanook) come from a 451 culture of play that inherently renders this kind of solving less useful, because it leaves their posts a bit less thickly written and more emotionless. That's okay and works well within that style. It just lends itself to a bunch of yellows every time I try to do this. It's difficult to conclusively separate players the way that I tend to do so with that approach.

~ Alison doesn't have many good fits here that I can readily identify. I think an argument can be made to pair her with falcon or Dyson, and since there are only two perhaps the solution does lie in there. I do think, however, that this is a good reason for me to vote for someone else in the immediate present. I don't think Dyson is that likely to be mafia, and the team being exactly Alison/falcon isn't probable (in literal terms just by the numbers) -- it also lies in direct conflict with some teamwork I'd like to encourage here (e.g. NAA wants to murder one and protect the other).

~ Tony/falcon stands as one of the game's most obvious options, but similarly to Alison -- he's hard to find a teammate for if not falcon. His other fits are with my town reads. These combined points might point to a town falcon anyway. This isn't a confident matter and I wouldn't pull any of them from the POE pool -- but it might influence my sense of who should be the priority.

~ I'm coming around to motel room being a premier suspect. The Scotty interactions weren't conclusive and can be validly read to his discredit as easily as to his credit. During this process I also found a number of things in his posts that I don't care for right now. I will highlight them in a bit. This also happens to be nicely synergized to a view that Alison doesn't have great mafia fits, given that her own view of motel room is one of suspicion. She could just be right. However, finding a teammate for motel room is also not terribly easy. Nanook and Dyson stand in along with a bunch of town reads.

~ I could make the argument that NAA should be in the POE, but if I put him there I have to remove someone else. Perhaps that's the primary source of any new trepidation I feel. I'm not confident right now about selecting anyone to be that swap.

Anyway we have over 24 hours before the Day 2 deadline and plenty to talk about. Let's stay engaged.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Obviously I could also be wrong about a green block somewhere. If there are major disagreements then let's talk about them.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: No vote] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

Obviously I could also be wrong about a green block somewhere. If there are major disagreements then let's talk about them.

Alison could be mafia with motel_room

[NotAnAxehole]

I think the correct play is to kill Alison, then sheep her read on Motel Room regardless of flip.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@NAA, I did consider giving that a more conservative read, so you could be right. I'm not sure I'd call it optimal for them (which impacts my view with Alison in particular), but whatever works is "optimal" enough.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don’t think people play optimally.

I actually think that Alison’s scum read on motel room is more likely to be right if she’s mafia.

Alison W / W Motel Room

More likely than

Alison T / W Motel Room

[Alison]

If you think I'm scum bussing motel room just vote them. The game is unwinnable for a solo mafia Alison in this position if I bus my partner today so you should have no worries in that regard.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm at least enough on board that both of them are still POE regardless of flips.

[NotAnAxehole]

If you think I'm scum bussing motel room just vote them. The game is unwinnable for a solo mafia Alison in this position if I bus my partner today so you should have no worries in that regard.

I’m comfortable with my vote today.

[NotAnAxehole]

The part that you’re missing in your statement about the game being unwinnable, is that it’s pretty hard for a team of Alison/Motel Room to win from here regardless of what you do.

[Alison]

Yeah so if it's Alison/motel room you win the game regardless of what you do and if I am indeed town you want to exe motel room first. You believe that motel room is likely wolf in all worlds (since you're planning to vote them out tomorrow regardless of my flip) anyway.