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[Scotty]

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident

He's hinting mechanical information imo.

The 2X mailman & neighborizer also gets mech info on a town slot? So, Dyson got 3, and Gav got 1?


I mean, at what point is this just ludicrous?

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident

He's hinting mechanical information imo.

The 2X mailman & neighborizer also gets mech info on a town slot? So, Dyson got 3, and Gav got 1?


I mean, at what point is this just ludicrous?

If much rather believe dyson’s ludicrous role over any info Gav has supposedly gained

[Jackofhearts2005]

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

Oh yeah, I forgot about that stuff.

Probably just me reading too much into Gav's certainty on what I've seen as a scummy slot all game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident

He's hinting mechanical information imo.

The 2X mailman & neighborizer also gets mech info on a town slot? So, Dyson got 3, and Gav got 1?


I mean, at what point is this just ludicrous?

I'm tempted to claim my role just for the lolz at this point.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident

He's hinting mechanical information imo.

The 2X mailman & neighborizer also gets mech info on a town slot? So, Dyson got 3, and Gav got 1?


I mean, at what point is this just ludicrous?

If much rather believe dyson’s ludicrous role over any info Gav has supposedly gained

I'm still not buying Dyson's claim either (who looks for town & not scum w/ an investigation?), but that slot should resolve itself. Gav tho, nah I just don't see it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Dyson] aubergine

I still think Gav and Tony are both town. I still suspect Falcon but I'm willing to hold off for now for Gav's sake (even though I disagree with all of Gav's other reads and he's probably not claiming mech info. It's just too tempting an idea that he is and the game is essentially won if we don't do something stupid like yeet mechanical clears).

[TonyStarkPrime]

why do you think gav is town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

For the record, I'm not suggesting we yeet Dyson to confirm players I already townread.

I'm suggesting that making a difficult to believe claim isn't a good reason to townread a scummy player.

[Jackofhearts2005]

why do you think gav is town?

Because he's being pigheaded and suspecting me for no good reason and I've been conditioned to townread that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm also using some lowkey bad logic like

1) I suspect Falcon
2) Falcon shades Gav
3) Gav therefore town
4) Gav might have mechanical info proving Falcon town
5) Falcon therefore town

Without ever reevaluating step 1.

[TonyStarkPrime]

fwiw falcon/Jack is not a possible team for day 1 vote reasons throwing this out while I think

[Dyson sphere]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident

He's hinting mechanical information imo.

The 2X mailman & neighborizer also gets mech info on a town slot? So, Dyson got 3, and Gav got 1?


I mean, at what point is this just ludicrous?

If much rather believe dyson’s ludicrous role over any info Gav has supposedly gained

I'm still not buying Dyson's claim either (who looks for town & not scum w/ an investigation?), but that slot should resolve itself. Gav tho, nah I just don't see it.

I've read that question a couple times in the thread now. OK, so first, to remind you, this is only the third game of mafia that I have played in a very long time and even when I did play it a long time ago, I never strategized as much as people in professional mafia communities do. (Plus I died early in the first of these three, so it doesn't even count)

And secondly, as people pointed out, it is a weird claim, not a typical cop claim. Now if I were scum, I wouldn't have come up with it, but I concede that someone on my team could have coached me to give a fake claim.

Now, as a town player, I actually didn't know for sure who other people clearly read as towncore. In my mind, no one was confirmed town, so I didn't know that I should have ignored any players for being towncleared already. So I picked the ones that I thought were towniest, and I had hoped that I had gotten the right ones, but I had no idea they were already cleared.

And if you're asking why I didn't pick poe players instead, I was under the impression that a result saying all three targets were the same alignment (town) would be more useful to town game, because it's unambiguous. Maybe you guys with all your strategizing might have enlightened me why an ambiguous result would be more useful than an unambiguous result. But at the time, knowing that I don't have any particularly insightful cases of my own to make, didn't deem it wise to share my ability before I had the chance to use it. Now it's done.

Maybe we'll have some more time later to discuss the usefulness of an ambiguous versus an unambiguous result. I just know, had I picked two users who I'm pretty sure are town (and I don't have strong trust in my own townreads) and one user that I think was poe, and the result was an ambiguous answer, then I still wouldn't know for sure whether my poe pick was scum or whether my poe pick was town and one or two of my town picks were scum, or maybe even all three scum.

Again, I don't know half as much about game strategy as you all, but I think personally, I would always prefer an unambiguous result. Even if I picked my top 3 scum reads, it might just be one of them scum and the other two innocent, but an ambiguous result would make me doubt all of them. Because it could also be two scum or all three scum.

I hope that answers not just this post I quoted but also some other questions directed towards me that I read in the thread. I should have posted more today, but I really had a lot to deal with today. I won't be able to post anything else for 16 hours starting now, but then I should have time to make a couple more high quality posts.

[Scotty]

I think dyson is town

He’s already more transparent today than he has been when we were scum partners. Could he have learned a few things between games to come off as more agreeable and logical? Yes. But this gambit is a bit extreme.

Sort of like Lime Coke’s claim to have to use some blah ability by day 4 or die, the roles are unconventional

[Gavial]

[VOTE: Dyson] aubergine

I still think Gav and Tony are both town. I still suspect Falcon but I'm willing to hold off for now for Gav's sake (even though I disagree with all of Gav's other reads and he's probably not claiming mech info. It's just too tempting an idea that he is and the game is essentially won if we don't do something stupid like yeet mechanical clears).

No nope I refuse.
You ain’t chickening out of this one like you did with Sean Day 1.
You either vote me with Tony or you vote Tony. No 3rd option this time.

[Gavial]

If TSP won’t pressure you

Spoiler: show

probably because it’s you two as scum

I’ll pressure you instead!

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Give me 1 solid reason your town.

[Scotty]

Gav redirecting again

[Dyson sphere]

Btw can we like not attempt to read people off the wording of their rolecards
@Lime Coke @Dyson sphere @RondoDimBuckle

I don't mean to be a dick but that's pretty well against the spirit of the game.

Oh, also, I made sure not to quote my role card verbatim. It's about targeting 3 players and the action gives a result about all their alignment as fail or not, but it's worded slightly differently, so I think I should be allowed to share my claim openly in thread.

[Gavial]

Gav redirecting again

Yeah so what?
I’m trying to prove a point.

[Gavial]

Jack won’t vote me or TSP here.

[Gavial]

Tony wants to call Jack scum with me but doesn’t care to continue further with Jack.
No Push, No Pressure, No Questions no nothing.

Those are my points and I intend to make em!

[Scotty]

Gav, what is your opinion on dyson’s initial claim- any change from his recent answer?

[Gavial]

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

That’s cause I don’t have any Mech info genius.
Just a real confident TR on Falcon.
@falcon45ca
You do realize if you vote me here TSP and Jack are just going to push for you tomorrow right?
If you do this I hope you have a plan to deal with them.

[Gavial]

why do you think gav is town?

Because he's being pigheaded and suspecting me for no good reason and I've been conditioned to townread that.

I'm also using some lowkey bad logic like

1) I suspect Falcon
2) Falcon shades Gav
3) Gav therefore town
4) Gav might have mechanical info proving Falcon town
5) Falcon therefore town

Without ever reevaluating step 1.

[Gavial]

fwiw falcon/Jack is not a possible team for day 1 vote reasons throwing this out while I think

Me and You are possible too!
Maybe Jack can use that one after you flip red.

[Scotty]

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

That’s cause I don’t have any Mech info genius.
Just a real confident TR on Falcon.
@falcon45ca
You do realize if you vote me here TSP and Jack are just going to push for you tomorrow right?
If you do this I hope you have a plan to deal with them.

lol
The plan is in the p[oe]udding!

[Scotty]

Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tony wants to call Jack scum with me but doesn’t care to continue further with Jack.
No Push, No Pressure, No Questions no nothing.

Those are my points and I intend to make em!

I just asked him a question

[TonyStarkPrime]

That feels like such a weak comeback lemme try again

[TonyStarkPrime]

Everything you say is false

[falcon45ca]

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

That’s cause I don’t have any Mech info genius.
Just a real confident TR on Falcon.
@falcon45ca
You do realize if you vote me here TSP and Jack are just going to push for you tomorrow right?
If you do this I hope you have a plan to deal with them.

Yeah, I'll quote this post

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Dyson] aubergine

I still think Gav and Tony are both town. I still suspect Falcon but I'm willing to hold off for now for Gav's sake (even though I disagree with all of Gav's other reads and he's probably not claiming mech info. It's just too tempting an idea that he is and the game is essentially won if we don't do something stupid like yeet mechanical clears).

No nope I refuse.
You ain’t chickening out of this one like you did with Sean Day 1.
You either vote me with Tony or you vote Tony. No 3rd option this time.

Gav, you are super frustrating.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: gav ] aubergine Jack might be a bussing wolf but at least he's killed a wolf, gav is just tunneling me when I am mech cleared

[Scotty]

Gav is acting like a cornered wolf unfortunately falling victim to the POE

[Jackofhearts2005]

That feels like such a weak comeback lemme try again

Everything you say is false

[Jackofhearts2005]

I legit keep saying to myself "Maybe X is town because like this shit isn't gonna work if they're a wolf" and under that logic, I've confirmed we're all town. :smugemproofcoffee:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Falcon looking a little better today tbh.

[Gavial]

Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next

It isn’t LC.
Trust me it’s TSP and Jack.

[Gavial]

Falcon looking a little better today tbh.

You say that but you going to push him tomorrow anyways.

[Gavial]

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

Oh yeah, I forgot about that stuff.

Probably just me reading too much into Gav's certainty on what I've seen as a scummy slot all game.

What Scummy slot?
Me?
TSP?
Love the lack of elaborate!

[Gavial]

Everything you say is false

TSP is a male.

[Gavial]

[VOTE: gav ] aubergine Jack might be a bussing wolf but at least he's killed a wolf, gav is just tunneling me when I am mech cleared

What? No I ain’t!

[Gavial]

Gav is acting like a cornered wolf unfortunately falling victim to the POE

I’m town but Nanook would want me dead so I don’t blame you guys just get scum plz.
Vote TSP next and remember Falcon is town.

[Gavial]

I legit keep saying to myself "Maybe X is town because like this shit isn't gonna work if they're a wolf" and under that logic, I've confirmed we're all town. :smugemproofcoffee:

Yet you do nothing but sit there and vote the 3rd guy that isn’t gonna get hung.
Kinda reminds me of day 1.

[Gavial]

I legit keep saying to myself "Maybe X is town because like this shit isn't gonna work if they're a wolf" and under that logic, I've confirmed we're all town. :smugemproofcoffee:

Yet you do nothing but sit there and vote the 3rd guy that isn’t gonna get hung.
Kinda reminds me of day 1.

You gonna vote last second this time too?
Buss your buddy again?

[Scotty]

Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next

It isn’t LC.
Trust me it’s TSP and Jack.

You’ve given me no reason to trust you.

Circumstantial reasons at best

[Gavial]

Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next

It isn’t LC.
Trust me it’s TSP and Jack.

You’ve given me no reason to trust you.

Circumstantial reasons at best

If you let TSP and Jack allow you to ML Me, Falcon AND LC just note you guys messed up almost a perfect opportunity.

[Gavial]

Because of it you may lose

[Gavial]

Hold up let me do calculations

[RondoDimBuckle]

Dyson flip though confirms Rondo.

no wolf would lose track of lynch?

you me and ender are town team is gav jack send it home

Why you and them 2 exactly when Rondo is confirmed by Dyson?
Why are you including yourself.
Plus you are so inclined it’s me and Jack yet I never at any point in the game ever seen you state previous suspicion on Jack nor any signs of an actual push.
Seems like a last resorting scum trying to throw his buddy as a team with someone who caught both of them.

[VOTE: gav ] aubergine Jack might be a bussing wolf but at least he's killed a wolf, gav is just tunneling me when I am mech cleared

What? No I ain’t!

I am confirmed by the fact that there was no night kill, saying I am confirmed when Dyson flips is ignoring the fact I am already cleared and can be seen as a push of someone possibly towny just to get one more before you flip