Smilies Mafia - GAME END

[ilario]

Can people tell me why they’re so sure on falcon being town again?

[ilario]

If gav and tsp are tvt we kinda just lose, so we should probably figure that out and avoid it lol

[ilario]

Gav I don’t understand your role, you send notes, start neighbourhoods and can confirm other people’s abilities ????

[ilario]

That’s so much power for one role

[ilario]

Tsp thinking I had a green check on him is kinda towny

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can people tell me why they’re so sure on falcon being town again?

So me and Alison both d1 read falcon town and we are both decent at reading falcon (granted 1) we were low-efforting and 2) falcon hasn't really been around) but also Gav like somethin somethin and now I think falcon either has a self-resolving role and I won't delve into that or has been massively tmi'ed (or both)

[TonyStarkPrime]

And the idea with LC is that his claim is similar to Sean's so if Gav can confirm that in fact LC's role will in fact bounce back Gav's message then LC can confirm that he in fact does have that power and then maybe wolves don't get two people with anti-target powers on one team

[ilario]

Can people tell me why they’re so sure on falcon being town again?

So me and Alison both d1 read falcon town and we are both decent at reading falcon (granted 1) we were low-efforting and 2) falcon hasn't really been around) but also Gav like somethin somethin and now I think falcon either has a self-resolving role and I won't delve into that or has been massively tmi'ed (or both)

Yeah that’s what I’m concerned about, I think falcons trs were mostly based on meta? And I feel likes it’s a meta that
probably isn’t impossible to replicate since i feel like it ties in with him low efforting?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can people tell me why they’re so sure on falcon being town again?

So me and Alison both d1 read falcon town and we are both decent at reading falcon (granted 1) we were low-efforting and 2) falcon hasn't really been around) but also Gav like somethin somethin and now I think falcon either has a self-resolving role and I won't delve into that or has been massively tmi'ed (or both)

Yeah that’s what I’m concerned about, I think falcons trs were mostly based on meta? And I feel likes it’s a meta that
probably isn’t impossible to replicate since i feel like it ties in with him low efforting?

It doesn't, really, but like. IDK. At this point for me it's more the gavial role vouching thing.

[ilario]

Outside of what gav is saying about falcon, do you find falcon independently towny? You seem to be good at reading falcon in the past so ur take here is helpful

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have a role, but I haven't used it and I don't think I will.

Can you elaborate on why?

Yeah, I don't see it as overly helpful to town. I can jail someone such that they aren't able to participate in the game for a round, can't vote and can't be voted for.

I don't see that as helpful to town really

update: falcon has claimed his role and it's not what i thought it was and apparently I'm just bad at paying attention?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why did you not use your ability on me Falcon like I told you to

Cuz I don't think not being able to participate, or be voted for or cast votes, is in the town's best interests.

it's gav how could you think a lack of participation wouldn't be in the town's best interests

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah I mean I think his vote on me here is pretty bad and I don't know where his head is out reads-wise but otherwise he's towny. I don't know why gav (or ender for that matter) isn't currently in his poe but that's besides the point

[TonyStarkPrime]

But the role thing is actually meaningless and like the idea is that it looks better for Falcon because he claimed it and hasn't used it but the best time to use a role like that is at endgame anyways when it just (can) just win for you and therefore it looks worse for gav that he's so confident that it's clearing?

[TonyStarkPrime]

i was dead confident that falcon was like a vig or something, they kept talking about "removing from the game". smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

i also felt smart for picking up on secret mech stuff and apparently that was not the case

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean I’m considering all this moot if @Gavial doesnt have a case in thread on Jack or really anyone by the time I wake up

[Lime Coke]

Gav I don’t understand your role, you send notes, start neighbourhoods and can confirm other people’s abilities ????

No he was going to send a note to me, and I use my reflector gimmick so that the note comes back to him, and he'd get his note back which would confirm my role.

[Lime Coke]

@ilario

And Gavial has been saying he thinks Falcon has been towny based off of the neighborhood that he started with him.

[Gavial]

If gav and tsp are tvt we kinda just lose, so we should probably figure that out and avoid it lol

I mean we could always switch to an Ender vote.

[Gavial]

Gav I don’t understand your role, you send notes, start neighbourhoods and can confirm other people’s abilities ????

?
I have a Neighbourhood that I already used and it was just for a 1 cycle. (1 Day and 1 Night phase)
I have 2 Notes, Used 1 on you and I’ll use the other on Lime Coke and because of my role it can confirm his role as if he’s town I’ll get the message and not him.

[Gavial]

Jack Case

Spoiler: show

I'm down to policy Gavial.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

[VOTE: Gavial ] aubergine

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

You know, it’s hard to tell joking from bait from taking bait with naked votes.

So for the first post that pings my radar is this where he says “Bait” and if you notice one of the people voting there is Ender and it wouldn’t be really bait if a town is voting. (Well maybe in certain terms but from the way Jack said it was concerning).

My thoughts halfway up page 6 are like “I suspect Rondo, Alison, Seanzie in roughly that order. Alison is going after Rondo and Seanzie. Let’s flip a wolf in this group and spew one of my suspects town, too.”

But then I got the the posts where Alison starts going after Scotty and I didn’t like that shit because it felt like it ruined the plan.

Ok so yeah in this post he actually views Alison on a scummier level then Sean. That’s interesting.

Sean obvious town tbh

Based on Alison being a wolf or off something Seanzie actually did?

Clear mindset that he had more intent to vote Alison then that of Sean and trying to make It look like Sean hasn’t done anything scummy at all with his last line there.

I’m at this weird intermediate where I tr the people Alison has outed as trs, but I don’t townread Alison herself.

Yeah, I’m never scumreading this. Too much mindmeld.

You’re both wrong by my new metric for reading Alison

What’s the new metric?

Alison’s probably town if she agrees with me

Lol okay.

I kinda wanna yeet Alison but of the three, she’s imo the best player so I don’t mind giving her another day. Plus antialigned with both of my other suspects. Plus the vote count is tied between my other suspects.

Here’s a clear interaction with TSP during Day 1

Neither is self preserving.

@RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie

Gimmie your read on the other. If it’s a townread, convince me to yeet outside of you.

Feels like he was trying to reach on suspicion for Alison.

I have had a strong townread on Falcon in almost every game we’ve played together where he’s town. I don’t have a townread on him here.

He’s definitely staying loyal to this read.

Rondo's active sabotaging of saving attempts idk what to think of but it's rand!town on surface

Agreed. Let this be between Falcon and Seanzie.

Try’s to have Falcon as the CW to Sean as he has clear intent to want to avoid Sean as shown in the past posts.

Rondo's active sabotaging of saving attempts idk what to think of but it's rand!town on surface

Agreed. Let this be between Falcon and Seanzie.

Buzzer [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Back to back posts, seems like Jack didn’t want to vote Lime Coke which I don’t blame him on that regard.

Why aren’t we just yeeting rondo?

One of the first things he wanted to do on day 2 was attempt to yeet what we know is town.

"Ender is a teammate" is absolutely meme tier. I was around at eod, I don't help Seanzie flip his mafcard by 1 vote

That is true but switching to LC last second would also look suspicious

But then why do you townread me?

I don’t understand this response I don’t see his mention of Jack. It’s weird and kinda leans Ender as Jack’s partner.

Pretend I didn’t badly misunderstand that last quote.

Yeah…. Very weird.

Two of those sub nulls are voting Tony btw.

Here now he mentions TSP.

How much of an argument do you need

I mean…he’s null in my book but there are at least 3 sub-null players so a lot but not much?

Gimmick was >rand mafia for him, he's largely been boring and that's >rand mafia for him

K.

How do you feel about Falcon?

Hes meh

I’ve never seen town Falcon be meh.

Some shading on Falcon.

Falcon’s vote on Gav makes me think w!Falcon thinks Gav is LHF.

Even more intent to remove Falcon.

Rondo is probably actually town unless someone else has a saving ability

There's a decent chance there is another one just because doctor is so standard but Rondo is probably town anyway for his play yesterday.

IDK Jack, you kinda put him as main agenda at the start of last day with Falcon the alternative.

I might do more of this case if requested but I am leaning it to be more Ender then TSP now.
Let’s see if this does anything.
[VOTE: Ender] aubergine
@Lime Coke
@falcon45ca

It’s up to you two of course but if your leaning more Ender like I am feel free to switch from TSP to Ender.

[Gavial]

@Jackofhearts2005
Your not laying down on your pillow today.
Place a vote.

[EnderWiggin]

Gavial:
I think it's more likely TSP.

Also Gavial:
"I am leaning it to be more Ender then TSP now."

Honestly Gavial, you're just going to go back to pushing TSP after I flip green because that's your misyeet route isn't it?

[EnderWiggin]

Ftr if it is just TSP/LC then I blame Gav for the tunnel on me that has made me push this way. =P

[Gavial]

Gavial:
I think it's more likely TSP.

Also Gavial:
"I am leaning it to be more Ender then TSP now."

Honestly Gavial, you're just going to go back to pushing TSP after I flip green because that's your misyeet route isn't it?

No it’s my PoE route.
Look at it this way.
Jack is a Wolf.
Jack can only be buddies with you or Tony.
You can’t say that if you flip Green that it’s wrong for me to flip Tony because that’s the solve.
Just like Tony can’t say I shouldn’t flip Ender if they flip Green.

The wolves never change. The wolves begin the game with a starting rolecard.
One of you or Tony is a wolf, this fact never changes.

[Gavial]

Ftr if it is just TSP/LC then I blame Gav for the tunnel on me that has made me push this way. =P

I can confirm LC tonight.
Falcon is Town.

Leaving only really You, TSP and Jack.
So your the PoE anyway regardless of my 100% Wolf solve on Jack.

[EnderWiggin]

Ftr if it is just TSP/LC then I blame Gav for the tunnel on me that has made me push this way. =P

I can confirm LC tonight.
Falcon is Town.

Leaving only really You, TSP and Jack.
So your the PoE anyway regardless of my 100% Wolf solve on Jack.

I was talking from my pov.

[Gavial]

Also Ender you are literally saying this as if you know your voting a town….
Why would you push a person you think is town in this game state?
We are in F8.
I don’t think you actually think I’m scum when you word things like that.
@TonyStarkPrime
What do you think?

[Gavial]

Ftr if it is just TSP/LC then I blame Gav for the tunnel on me that has made me push this way. =P

I can confirm LC tonight.
Falcon is Town.

Leaving only really You, TSP and Jack.
So your the PoE anyway regardless of my 100% Wolf solve on Jack.

I was talking from my pov.

From your pov I’m town?
Lol.

[Gavial]

You wouldn’t vote me if you thought I was town.
Just saying.

[Gavial]

Anyway I’m going to sleep.
Goodnight!

[EnderWiggin]

Wow you really just take peoples words and twist em don'tcha.

Also:
I had a townread on you yesterday if you check my ISO.

I'm sitting here wondering if I am voting a town or not.

[EnderWiggin]

You wouldn’t vote me if you thought I was town.
Just saying.

Lmao.

Idk if you're town or scum. But you are a Sith. Only Sith deal in absolutes.

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly I have this huge TSP/Gav theory that keeps getting bigger every time they make reasons to avoid pushing each other or push each other only to turn onto someone else.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Is gav + ender tvt cross?

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

But this is where I feel most confident.

[EnderWiggin]

Is gav + ender tvt cross?

It's tvsomething.

[RondoDimBuckle]

TSP > LC > GAV?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Gav is clearing a lot of people and not dying

[EnderWiggin]

TSP > LC > GAV?

That's in the general area of my POE yeah.

If TSP flips green I need to rethink possible worlds tho.

[EnderWiggin]

Gav is clearing a lot of people and not dying

There are literal Mech Clears.

Gav not dying means shit and all.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok how do we feel on Jack? Like actually consider his tinfoil for a moment, the post has a lot of effort put into it

[EnderWiggin]

I'll consider the tinfoil later.

I feel meh rn.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'll consider the tinfoil later.

I feel meh rn.

no worries I just want a frank appraisal before you die

[EnderWiggin]

I'll consider the tinfoil later.

I feel meh rn.

no worries I just want a frank appraisal before you die

Hello, I'm Frank Walker from National Tiles.

[ilario]

Gav I don’t understand your role, you send notes, start neighbourhoods and can confirm other people’s abilities ????

?
I have a Neighbourhood that I already used and it was just for a 1 cycle. (1 Day and 1 Night phase)
I have 2 Notes, Used 1 on you and I’ll use the other on Lime Coke and because of my role it can confirm his role as if he’s town I’ll get the message and not him.

So when you say falcon is confirmed town you don’t mean it any way to do with his abilities? Just based off how he spoke to you in your hood?

[ilario]

Ok how do we feel on Jack? Like actually consider his tinfoil for a moment, the post has a lot of effort put into it

Jack can be mafia, gav brought up a good point about the buzzer beater, in that it really isn’t that clearing considering lc would have won the tie regardless. I haven’t felt anything strongly towny from Jack d2 onwards

[EnderWiggin]

Gav I don’t understand your role, you send notes, start neighbourhoods and can confirm other people’s abilities ????

?
I have a Neighbourhood that I already used and it was just for a 1 cycle. (1 Day and 1 Night phase)
I have 2 Notes, Used 1 on you and I’ll use the other on Lime Coke and because of my role it can confirm his role as if he’s town I’ll get the message and not him.

So when you say falcon is confirmed town you don’t mean it any way to do with his abilities? Just based off how he spoke to you in your hood?

That is what he's saying yes.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok how do we feel on Jack? Like actually consider his tinfoil for a moment, the post has a lot of effort put into it

Jack can be mafia, gav brought up a good point about the buzzer beater, in that it really isn’t that clearing considering lc would have won the tie regardless. I haven’t felt anything strongly towny from Jack d2 onwards

I feel the same way he's been coasting off day 1, but also if gav is mafia that leaves you as mafia because I know myself and scotty are town and if he was mafia his 3 check has to contain 1 mafia he's trying to sneak by. You know. Lots of complex interactions this game