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[Sloonei]

I have no idea what Tony is doing in this game and might just park my vote until I do.

Do you typically know what he is doing?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have no idea what Tony is doing in this game and might just park my vote until I do.

Do you typically know what he is doing?

I can typically formulate some kind of theory or model that could conceivably represent what he is doing even if he rarely makes it clear. This time his posts seem extracted from a random generator.

[Son of Anarch]

Oh yeah, before I forget I wanna say that I think Jimmy's got some good stuff lately about the Lime Coke read. Don't think it makes Lime Coke town, but it's a thought process I'm thinkin' is pretty unnatural for a wolf to come up as a reasoning to town read Lime Coke, that being that they share the same reads. Plus, when I think about it some more, even if Lime Coke is scum it's still good practice because as Jimmy mentioned, Lime Coke havin' the same reads as someone either means he's blatantly townsiding or the POE is wrong. That's not somethin' we'll be able to figure out until later on in the game though.

Lime Coke, I don't think your recent postin' has been helping me find you if you're town, but I think the agitation is real regardless. So I'm gonna throw ya a bone, on the house.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Kinda just feel myself disagreein' with this dude and figure I'd turn up the heat a little more over here. Really wanna know why he thinks sig is town from his posting when I got the opposite impression. I think someone said TSP probably wouldn't be townreadin' sig here if they were partners. Gonna say that I have to disagree with that statement because I feel like the read timin', explanation, and the way it's been brought up just reads as awkward. Dude has a very statement-like way of giving us info, which I find correlates more to wolves actually. Everyone always says that usin' words like "probably" or "maybe" is for scum because it seems hedgey, but I actually think actin' too confident on reads like that is scummy too. Experienced scum wanna project confidence and certainty and that might be what Tony is tryin' to do here.

The mech talk stuff is fine though, I don't think that makes him scum other than the point I brought up earlier with Sloonei about him agreeing with the meta.

[Lime Coke]

I kinda hate that I did that.

Don't know why I do it. It just happens.

Like I need to figure out how to actually deal with pressure without tilting.

[NotAnAxehole]

I kinda hate that I did that.

Don't know why I do it. It just happens.

Like I need to figure out how to actually deal with pressure without tilting.

Is it bad that I voted you just to lock in your slot's alignment based on reaction to minimal pressure?

[Lime Coke]

I kinda hate that I did that.

Don't know why I do it. It just happens.

Like I need to figure out how to actually deal with pressure without tilting.

Is it bad that I voted you just to lock in your slot's alignment based on reaction to minimal pressure?

Yes and I hate it.

[Lime Coke]

Whatever I'm going to move on from it and get things going whenever I feel better.

[NotAnAxehole]

I kinda hate that I did that.

Don't know why I do it. It just happens.

Like I need to figure out how to actually deal with pressure without tilting.

Is it bad that I voted you just to lock in your slot's alignment based on reaction to minimal pressure?

Yes and I hate it.

The best way to manage that is to simply not reply to people who ask you questions or ping you or vote for you. In fact, it's best to never reply to someone unless:

1) you have something funny to say
Or
2) it's a one and done non-alignment indicative.

Don't get into conversations about mafia during mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot and SPF are probably most significant flux reads. If either or both are mafia, I think we're going to need a big showing from the current zero-posters to help set the POE proper.

[Sloonei]

I kinda hate that I did that.

Don't know why I do it. It just happens.

Like I need to figure out how to actually deal with pressure without tilting.

Is it bad that I voted you just to lock in your slot's alignment based on reaction to minimal pressure?

Yes and I hate it.

The best way to manage that is to simply not reply to people who ask you questions or ping you or vote for you. In fact, it's best to never reply to someone unless:

1) you have something funny to say
Or
2) it's a one and done non-alignment indicative.

Don't get into conversations about mafia during mafia.

How do you play the game?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Johanna @Dolby @G-Man just a friendly nudge.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine so that maybe @TonyStarkPrime will tell me why it’s wrong to do this.

He's like reasonably obvious town imo. he came into the game complaining about a claim, of course he did. then he did some grumbling, of course he did.

[TonyStarkPrime]

at least two people below your poe line are reasonably clearly town which does not inspire confidence (falcon's a question mark tbh he has three posts)

Who and why?

me and sig where sig is town because he's doing sig things and you ought to know better than to say otherwise and i'm town because you also ought to know better

[TonyStarkPrime]

Does TonyStarkPrime really read me as mafia? Is this a real thing?

waiting on sloonei and proving a point

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have no idea what Tony is doing in this game and might just park my vote until I do.

jay has this strategy ever worked out for you

[TonyStarkPrime]

love that we've already cleared lc and someone else did it so i didn't have to

[TonyStarkPrime]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you get isos in the first post or if they're there can you tell me I'm stupid

[TonyStarkPrime]

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

like I'm not gonna lock town sig for ome post on day 1 but i just find this super towny

[Sloonei]

Does TonyStarkPrime really read me as mafia? Is this a real thing?

waiting on sloonei and proving a point

I would have shared a read by now if I wanted to.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I didn't ask you to say anything

[TonyStarkPrime]

that felt unnecessarily aggressive

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you get isos in the first post or if they're there can you tell me I'm stupid

If you or someone else makes the links and tags me ill add them

[staypositivefriend]

if i had to nitpick, it concerns me that part of your reasoning for considering sloonei obvious town is something that happened after you called sloonei obvious town. but okay, thanks for explaining, carry on :P

It's not even that nitpicky, cause I'm not even that nitpicky, I'm perfect and pure and not as bad of a cook as I thought I was.

SPF, you're a bit more tryhard early D1 than I've seen before. Is it because you are mafia?

nah, just enjoying the vibe. it's not very unusual for me to poke at people in the beginning of games, and i would actually consider my level of effort in this game "low effort" relative to how i've started some recent village reads

i think that you're correct that it's more likely for me to put a higher level of effort into the beginning of a game if i'm a wolf, and maybe it's even villagery for you to pick up on that, but your meta expectations are wrong

[staypositivefriend]

if i had to nitpick, it concerns me that part of your reasoning for considering sloonei obvious town is something that happened after you called sloonei obvious town. but okay, thanks for explaining, carry on :P

It's not even that nitpicky, cause I'm not even that nitpicky, I'm perfect and pure and not as bad of a cook as I thought I was.

SPF, you're a bit more tryhard early D1 than I've seen before. Is it because you are mafia?

nah, just enjoying the vibe. it's not very unusual for me to poke at people in the beginning of games, and i would actually consider my level of effort in this game "low effort" relative to how i've started some recent village games*

i think that you're correct that it's more likely for me to put a higher level of effort into the beginning of a game if i'm a wolf, and maybe it's even villagery for you to pick up on that, but your meta expectations are wrong

fixed

[staypositivefriend]

Man this game ain't spicy enough. You all are being way too careful. So ya know what? I'm gonna toss out a spicy take here and get a temp check:

I think Lime Coke's entrance to the thread was relatively safe in a wolf-y way. Man's dropped a townread on Sloonei after Jimmy already said he thought Sloonei was town and then half his explanation, as that nice lass StayPosi pointed out, was about somethin' to do with what Sloonei did after he made the read.

Oh yeah and as far as TSP goes. Well, I think I might be pickin' up what Sloonei is puttin' down here. Originally I was thinking in my head that TSP agreeing and changing his mind was kinda villagery, but now after Sloonei revealed the meta was fake, I'm almost wonderin' if TSP changed his mind to not try to outright disagree with the meta, but discredit it in a way.

Anyways, that's all I got for now. I'm pretty tired and my eyes are drooping... I'll probably still be stalkin' the thread because I'm doing some raids, but won't bother writing more until the morning.

Also SPF. Her delivery and timing of Sloonei town read was anti-musical. And she's a good musician.
But otherwise, ok. I don't really have a take on TSP myself, but I can definitely read him because of that one time I caught him as mafia.

lol this read is gonna sound so silly, but i wrote that post about sloonei likely being a villager when i was a little bit stoned, and i think it's kinda villagery for dizzy to have picked up on my vibe on that page being "different" from the vibe of the rest of my posts. it tells me that dizzy was genuinely attempting to parse the thread for ~vibes~

[staypositivefriend]

i have a highly specific thought about limecoke that is looking increasingly likely to be true the longer that this game goes on

No, take that back.

I will protect you, my love. Just swear your unending devotion and admiration. <3

You know it's kinda weird because I got the sense from Lime Coke's opening he didn't worry about town reading people so early, but the way he qualified that ilario read with "it's dangerous" kinda has my sensors goin' off a tad.

Ok fine

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

Gave me the impression she was still vigilant about sorting me even after we vibed straight into the easiest town core of her life within six game posts (which was what I meant by “goofy”, it’s not goofy anymore).

My worry is this: In games I've played with SPF and town read her correctly, she has been more chill and not nitpicky or had very specific questions like that to my memory. Similar to Hally, I feel she can be prone to more try hardness early as mafia, without actually having hard experience/proof of that. But lettuce see.

just to quickly address this, you might want to read page 2 of this recently completed MU game, where i was a villager and i opened the game by asking a series of increasingly nitpicky and overtly specific questions to a wolf: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Game/page2

again, i think the underlying thought process behind your read on me is villagery: (ie: "SPF has been more chill in the recent towngames i've played with her > SPF was not as chill in this game > therefore SPF is a wolf") even if the read itself is based on an incorrect assumption

[staypositivefriend]

I miss your face too! It was part of the reason I signed up <3


I'm working today and tomorrow, so I'll be around this evening, but not much else before EOD

<3

I'll see if I can pop in to video mafia this Sunday. To show off my classic waving arms town tell, you know. I don't understand time zones, and it may be too late for me though.

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Hi, Sig.

Wait video mafia what is this new fangaled game?

Dizzy hey! I like all your posts but it’s killing me you made so many

dizzy actually asked a similar question to me immediately below this post, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 87#p856009), but i find the timing of this post from sig kind of awkward

sig entered the game at 9:59 AM, with a complaint about how the game already had 6 pages (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 87#p856002), he posted a quote from post #23 one minute later, which implied that he was in the process of reading the game (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 19#p855619)

sig stops posting for 18 minutes, and then tells dizzy that he "liked all of his posts". dizzy's first post in this game was on #227. this means that between 10:00 AM and 10:18 AM, sig had read from #23 to #227 at the bare minimum, and had read closely enough to have a half-developed opinion on dizzy's posts

if sig was actually catching up with the game during those 18 minutes, why didn't he post any other thoughts similar to the one he posted about son of anarch at 10:00 AM? and if he had read the thread closely enough to have an awareness of dizzy's posts, why didn't he have any other game-related thoughts or observations to share?

reading a little bit over 200 posts in 18 minutes is not particularly unrealistic, but the timing feels a little wonky to me. and yes this is a very nitpicky read lol

[staypositivefriend]

Pending his response about scumreads, I'd vote LC if the day ended right now.

Sloonei: I'd vote for responding to a joke post with an deadpan question.

JJJ and TSP: no qualms with either yet.

It is jarring to see "LC" used for anyone other than, well, LC.

I’ll refer to them as lime, coke, or like

actually, sig quoted post #198 one minute after saying that he liked dizzy's posts, which is a point before dizzy had started posting in this game. this means that sig's catch-up was likely not at a point where he had reached dizzy's posts, even though he had a positive opinion about them

the plot thickens

[staypositivefriend]

Sig’s pretty towny too

how so?

[staypositivefriend]

Hmmmm I think most people on MU know me by ilario, I’m from the same site as spf and Alexa so maybe you heard of me in passing

I don't think so, but I noticed other players having played with you and wondered if I had too. I think you mentioned reading spf town though, but don't know if you said why?

Nahhh I didn’t really extrapolate into why. Tbh I don’t even have a reason, though I didn’t particularly feel like flipping mafia in this lobby since last time I played against spf sloonei jjj combo they were all town and I kinda wanted to see what it would be like to town with Atleast a few of them, so I was pretty relieved when I saw my alignment.

Anyways, I was riding the high of the flip and I saw spfs and jjjs posts and my gut told me that they both just seem tonally towny to me in their first posts I saw so I trd them for it. Don’t have much more deeper insight for my original read unfortunately

this could actually be a point in favor of illario being a villager, because i think as a wolf he would have a certain level of cautiousness about trying to pocket me/jagged. it's likely that he would want to do "towny" things to get into our good graces instead of just calling us town right out of the gate with no concern for how little reasoning he had

[staypositivefriend]

Hmmmm I think most people on MU know me by ilario, I’m from the same site as spf and Alexa so maybe you heard of me in passing

I don't think so, but I noticed other players having played with you and wondered if I had too. I think you mentioned reading spf town though, but don't know if you said why?

Nahhh I didn’t really extrapolate into why. Tbh I don’t even have a reason, though I didn’t particularly feel like flipping mafia in this lobby since last time I played against spf sloonei jjj combo they were all town and I kinda wanted to see what it would be like to town with Atleast a few of them, so I was pretty relieved when I saw my alignment.

Anyways, I was riding the high of the flip and I saw spfs and jjjs posts and my gut told me that they both just seem tonally towny to me in their first posts I saw so I trd them for it. Don’t have much more deeper insight for my original read unfortunately

this could actually be a point in favor of illario being a villager, because i think as a wolf he would have a certain level of cautiousness about trying to pocket me/jagged. it's likely that he would want to do "towny" things to get into our good graces instead of just calling us town right out of the gate with no concern for how little reasoning he had

this is partially a meta-based read - im working off of the assumption that illario's actions as a wolf are usually pretty strategic/calculated, whereas his opening posts in this game felt pretty reckless

[staypositivefriend]

These posts in particular are what I'm talking about, feels like Ilario is playin' a soft cuddly game

He also claimed a named role, one that is ultimately negative utility for town, so makes sense to claim. Regardless of that, I'd be pretty surprised to find Ilario scum here. He's been actively trying to find other town and seems excited about it. The way he's talking to me feels like town finding town, not buddying mafia, that would almost feel mean lol (maybe I'm naive about that in particular). In any case, unless he's cc'd why not just have him town imo. Not that he should necessarily be cc'd if he's lying =)

The part where he says “not buddying mafia , that would almost feel mean lol (maybe I'm naive about that in particular“

Is the moment where I townlocked dyslexicon into never rescind until lylo category

To explain why: I feel like both our trs on each other is more of an emotional read/matching of vibes as opposed to something tangible that’s happened in game. I normally love when I successfully pocket people as mafia for game related reasons but if I feel like someone’s read on me is based on an emotional level then I feel guilty about it if I’m mafia and they’re town. This is why you will almost never see me resort to using ate as mafia to convince people because I don’t feel good about playing that way. So when dyslexicon says that my approach would feel almost mean it really does match up with my own feelings about the game and it’s principles in general that I just can’t help but townlock him here

Honestly I wouldn’t even be mad if I end up wrong on this read because It’s been a while that I’ve trd someone strongly and ended up flat out wrong and feelings like that make the game worthy replaying so I don’t even mind if I’m wrong here.

yeah i think illario is probably just town lol

[Dyslexicon]

me and sig where sig is town because he's doing sig things and you ought to know better than to say otherwise and i'm town because you also ought to know better

What are the sig things? Seems like you mean meta, but can you be more specific?

[Dyslexicon]

nah, just enjoying the vibe. it's not very unusual for me to poke at people in the beginning of games, and i would actually consider my level of effort in this game "low effort" relative to how i've started some recent village reads

i think that you're correct that it's more likely for me to put a higher level of effort into the beginning of a game if i'm a wolf, and maybe it's even villagery for you to pick up on that, but your meta expectations are wrong

I mean, yeah, you're more low effort now, but that's not the energy I got from the very beginning. But now you're here so looking forward to seeing you ketchup and stuff

[Dyslexicon]

lol this read is gonna sound so silly, but i wrote that post about sloonei likely being a villager when i was a little bit stoned, and i think it's kinda villagery for dizzy to have picked up on my vibe on that page being "different" from the vibe of the rest of my posts. it tells me that dizzy was genuinely attempting to parse the thread for ~vibes~

Oh lol. That actually makes me feel quite a bit better, because if I were to describe that post and the placement of it, it would be "dopey". Lolol

[Dyslexicon]

I'm polyamorous ok

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine so that maybe @TonyStarkPrime will tell me why it’s wrong to do this.

He's like reasonably obvious town imo. he came into the game complaining about a claim, of course he did. then he did some grumbling, of course he did.

are there any other reads that you feel strongly about right now?

[Sloonei]

Pending his response about scumreads, I'd vote LC if the day ended right now.

Sloonei: I'd vote for responding to a joke post with an deadpan question.

JJJ and TSP: no qualms with either yet.

It is jarring to see "LC" used for anyone other than, well, LC.

I’ll refer to them as lime, coke, or like

actually, sig quoted post #198 one minute after saying that he liked dizzy's posts, which is a point before dizzy had started posting in this game. this means that sig's catch-up was likely not at a point where he had reached dizzy's posts, even though he had a positive opinion about them

the plot thickens

A hard town read on spf here. And some mild incentive to vote for sig.

[Dyslexicon]

just to quickly address this, you might want to read page 2 of this recently completed MU game, where i was a villager and i opened the game by asking a series of increasingly nitpicky and overtly specific questions to a wolf: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Game/page2

again, i think the underlying thought process behind your read on me is villagery: (ie: "SPF has been more chill in the recent towngames i've played with her > SPF was not as chill in this game > therefore SPF is a wolf") even if the read itself is based on an incorrect assumption

I took a glance. But I believe you in that it's not strictly one way or the other as either alignment. Which I already tried telling myself.

[staypositivefriend]

i wanna note that i feel pretty confident about my ability to read lime coke. i do not have a confident answer on his alignment yet. last night, i was suspecting that he was a wolf that was trying to replicate his village-meta by TMI'ing sloonei as a villager & riding that read super hard. he has subverted those expectations by collecting a lot of very confident sounding townreads outside of sloonei, and i generally think his posting has gotten better with time even if something about his "vibe'" feels a little bit off to me. perhaps it's just the fact that we are on a different forum than the one we typically play on, and the atmosphere will be naturally different

i do think his posts on the last page or so are fairly villagery for him, and upon further reflection, i think it's kinda villagery that his reaction to jagged saying his vibes were off was: "i thought we were vibing!"

so, gth i think limecoke is a villager, but i don't fully feel it yet. i'll update when/if i do

[staypositivefriend]

i'm caught up w/the thread now. will make a readslist later. feel free to ask me any questions

[Dyslexicon]

actually, sig quoted post #198 one minute after saying that he liked dizzy's posts, which is a point before dizzy had started posting in this game. this means that sig's catch-up was likely not at a point where he had reached dizzy's posts, even though he had a positive opinion about them

the plot thickens

Indeed. Which is why this is my most burning unanswered question yet, though you laid out the whole reasoning. In addition, I felt Sig's whole approach to me felt like buddying in not the good way.

Also, if Sig is mafia, I feel like Tony is probably town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine so that maybe @TonyStarkPrime will tell me why it’s wrong to do this.

He's like reasonably obvious town imo. he came into the game complaining about a claim, of course he did. then he did some grumbling, of course he did.

are there any other reads that you feel strongly about right now?

I think falcon's town and the watcher claim is probably town too. Leaning town on LC, probably leaning town on naa but could go either way. They might be paired.

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine so that maybe @TonyStarkPrime will tell me why it’s wrong to do this.

He's like reasonably obvious town imo. he came into the game complaining about a claim, of course he did. then he did some grumbling, of course he did.

are there any other reads that you feel strongly about right now?

I think falcon's town and the watcher claim is probably town too. Leaning town on LC, probably leaning town on naa but could go either way. They might be paired.

mm okay, what makes you tihnk that LC/naa might be paired? do you think that the stuff they did on the last page was elaborate theater?

[Dyslexicon]

i wanna note that i feel pretty confident about my ability to read lime coke. i do not have a confident answer on his alignment yet. last night, i was suspecting that he was a wolf that was trying to replicate his village-meta by TMI'ing sloonei as a villager & riding that read super hard. he has subverted those expectations by collecting a lot of very confident sounding townreads outside of sloonei, and i generally think his posting has gotten better with time even if something about his "vibe'" feels a little bit off to me. perhaps it's just the fact that we are on a different forum than the one we typically play on, and the atmosphere will be naturally different

i do think his posts on the last page or so are fairly villagery for him, and upon further reflection, i think it's kinda villagery that his reaction to jagged saying his vibes were off was: "i thought we were vibing!"

so, gth i think limecoke is a villager, but i don't fully feel it yet. i'll update when/if i do

I reread Lime's ISO a while back, and it reads to me like he's mafia in the beginning and town after a certain point. So that's cool. I'm not very interested in chopping him this day in any case, as it stands.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine so that maybe @TonyStarkPrime will tell me why it’s wrong to do this.

He's like reasonably obvious town imo. he came into the game complaining about a claim, of course he did. then he did some grumbling, of course he did.

are there any other reads that you feel strongly about right now?

I think falcon's town and the watcher claim is probably town too. Leaning town on LC, probably leaning town on naa but could go either way. They might be paired.

mm okay, what makes you tihnk that LC/naa might be paired? do you think that the stuff they did on the last page was elaborate theater?

I think it's not even that elaborate. Like if LC rolls wolf with his meta he has to get that sorta thing in the thread asap or it's just not going to work out well

[Sloonei]

TSP exclusively listing everyone not included in the general consensus town-list as his town reads feels like a parody of a contrarian playstyle.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@ilario you can talk about the other game now

[Dyslexicon]

I feel better about spf now. Maybe it's just cause she's talking about things I care about in a way that reflects my thoughts, but also, that's a pretty good reason. I'm vibing. Also lol at the stoned post.