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[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t like to use terms like “lock”, so I won’t say I’m certain on Sloonei. But I am quite comfortable with him and think he’s town. He should absolutely not be in the poll conversation today.

[ilario]

say we elim 2 towns back to back, then would you entertain the idea of him being in a poll?

[falcon45ca]

S T I L T E D

The chubby dude waddling in the background...comedy gold

[JaggedJimmyJay]

say we elim 2 towns back to back, then would you entertain the idea of him being in a poll?

Context dependent. As the standard increases for town credit he’ll need to continue to earn it. Determine his role in those votes and assess. In a vacuum, his (and everyone’s) town credit should be constricted after two misses.

Let’s not miss.

[falcon45ca]

Well falcon's posts certainly bear his typical town personality. Trust no one. I am not terribly confident that this is a good reason to call him town, but at the very least he looks familiar.

You have an unusual early interest in my slot this game, and you're approaching it in a very hdegey way that makes me curious...have I ever seen your scum game?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ll get my head screwed on straight and also I’ll figure out how to communicate properly

Has your take on JJJ changed yet? You said 20 minutes, but it's been 24 hours.

My take on JJJ is currently in a state of confusion

[falcon45ca]

say we elim 2 towns back to back, then would you entertain the idea of him being in a poll?

These kind of questions are tire spinners....there's a whole game to be played in between these 2 hypothetical mislynches, and that is what we should be using to determine a player being in the POE

[NotAnAxehole]

JJJ sloonei is where I'm at.

[Sloonei]

I assumed we all knew I was town-reading Jay. I’m not trying to conceal that anymore. But I prefer to avoid making explicit reads on him until most of the rest of the players have had a chance to do so, because there is a tendency for people to give too much weight to my Jayread, thus preventing them from doing their own work to read them. Jay and I have been playing mafia together for over a decade and have very similar philosophies about the game, hence the “same person” jokes. As such, we can read one another better than most. Since he is a player that tends to be at the center of chatter, I usually want people to develop their own reads on him for the sake of thread health. So I usually wait to express my own read on him, because a lot of folks tend to just adopt the “whatever slopnei says” approach to reading Jay.

It was supposed to be implied in my initial post about this that I am town-reading him here. The context of that post was a response to dolby’s “triad” talk, and my intention was to emphasize that there is likely a very good reason why dolby perceived a greater-than-usual amount of trust between us. It’s because there is.

[Sloonei]

*nearly a decade, not over a decade. I don’t know our mafiaversary.

[Sloonei]

JJJ sloonei is where I'm at.

What does this mean?

[TonyStarkPrime]

So I usually wait to express my own read on him, because a lot of folks tend to just adopt the “whatever slopnei says” approach to reading Jay.

i reject your efforts and have outwaited you

[TonyStarkPrime]

JJJ sloonei is where I'm at.

it's obv back of my mind but jay's pretty towny thusfar so I'm shifting away

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote: marmto

[ilario]

say we elim 2 towns back to back, then would you entertain the idea of him being in a poll?

These kind of questions are tire spinners....there's a whole game to be played in between these 2 hypothetical mislynches, and that is what we should be using to determine a player being in the POE

i know, the question was just a round-about way of me trying to assess the confidence of JJJs read on sloonei

[Sloonei]

At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.

[ilario]

I will admit, sloonei trying to avoid giving a read on JJJ is pretty towny and letting everyone develop their on stances on him naturally. I think as mafia he would probably feel more obligated to make his stance clear on jjj in a world where jjj is town.

[ilario]

At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.

I think marmot is kinda towny tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The fun part is that the 8,000 times Sloonei have been called “teammates”, it has always been true.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

and I

[ilario]

I will admit, sloonei trying to avoid giving a read on JJJ is pretty towny and letting everyone develop their on stances on him naturally. I think as mafia he would probably feel more obligated to make his stance clear on jjj in a world where jjj is town.

However if this is what sloonei does regularly then my point doesn’t stand but I assume someone will correct me if I’m wrong

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NAA is fitting the meta but his reads seem kinda bad so probably keeping him in my POE.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will admit, sloonei trying to avoid giving a read on JJJ is pretty towny and letting everyone develop their on stances on him naturally. I think as mafia he would probably feel more obligated to make his stance clear on jjj in a world where jjj is town.

However if this is what sloonei does regularly then my point doesn’t stand but I assume someone will correct me if I’m wrong

It’s what he’s done lately. As mafia he might try to replicate it, but that really doesn’t matter to me. He’s making town posts.

[Sloonei]

and I

Redundant phrase was deleted from the original post.

[Sloonei]

At present I am not uncomfortable voting for either marmot or sig. it is slightly worrying that I don’t have any names beyond those two.

I think marmot is kinda towny tbh

What town things has he done?

[Sloonei]

I would vote for sig before marmot if the day was ending right now.

[sig]

I read sig's ISO. It's 12 posts. It's not townie. I could see him being town, but I could also see him being scum. I can't make up my mind on him right now. I can't tell what he's trying to do, except pick a fight with a player that's roleclaimed. Those are the kind of waves that, at least to me, don't make sense for a scum player to make.

I'd love feedback on this take.

Not gonna lie, missed his claim oops.

Just saw him saying someone else should claim.

I will say if the claim is real kinda not a fun thing to do day 1. Takes alot of the sport from the game.

[sig]

Sig is our resident mischop bait on the Syndicate, for those who are new here. Or... he was as of a year ago. I really haven't been around much lately.

I've been making it preeeety far right now playing this same excat way. I call it the don't care until I get out of mislynch zone strategy.

Also people, i've noticed, will either try to axe me or ignore me the first few phases so don't take games seriously early on.

I will say the fact Jay only played with me during the mislynch phase of my career, but still so fine jumping on the wagon isn't great.

[sig]

Also Marmot is one of the other most mislynched players early on so I'm going to go ahead and call both these wagons as bad town/town.

[Sloonei]

Also Marmot is one of the other most mislynched players early on so I'm going to go ahead and call both these wagons as bad town/town.

Point us in a better direction.

[sig]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/ucp.php
I read sig's ISO. It's 12 posts. It's not townie. I could see him being town, but I could also see him being scum. I can't make up my mind on him right now. I can't tell what he's trying to do, except pick a fight with a player that's roleclaimed. Those are the kind of waves that, at least to me, don't make sense for a scum player to make.

I'd love feedback on this take.

I think it's unclear whether Sig is aware that Anarch roleclaimed. His beef was about Anarch suggestion the Vendor to claim, which is a beef I don't understand. I'm a vegetarian. I also think that picking that as a point to argue is very easy for scum to do, and it's unclear to me why Sig thinks it's scummy behaviour rather than something he "doesn't like".

Claiming is 1 not fun and 2 it creates targets for mafia. Especially in a game without a doctor. It's literally just setting up easy targets for mafia and weakening the power of the PR roles.

[sig]

Also Marmot is one of the other most mislynched players early on so I'm going to go ahead and call both these wagons as bad town/town.

Point us in a better direction.

Anyone but Sig, Marmot, or TSP.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Bold choice

[sig]

Going to do my repeat, just because Sloonie/Jay townread each other doesn't mean they're locked town.

From there, I've caught up in theory, mainly skims and still haven't read the first 8 pages.

SPF case on me doesn't seem mafia aligned, but it's not good. It's like the equivalent of someone "scum slipping" when it wasn't a slip, but like worse. Especially if trying to think I'm mafia. HOWEVER, I don't see mafia making that sort of case, though its the type of thing they'd jump on.

Dizzy seems townie from tone and how they approached spf case on me, but that's like a light town read.

Anarchy has apparently claimed so they're a civ, but just totally 100% wrong.

Marmot common mislynch don't see the reasoning for them.

Jay: I'm not a fan of him asking about how many mafia are among the 0 posters. Unless the logic is I think everyone who's posting is a civ hence mafia in 0 poster literally no reason to assume one way or another it's NAI.

[Sloonei]

Interesting that sig believes anarch’s claim without a second thought.

[Sloonei]

Going to do my repeat, just because Sloonie/Jay townread each other doesn't mean they're locked town.

From there, I've caught up in theory, mainly skims and still haven't read the first 8 pages.

SPF case on me doesn't seem mafia aligned, but it's not good. It's like the equivalent of someone "scum slipping" when it wasn't a slip, but like worse. Especially if trying to think I'm mafia. HOWEVER, I don't see mafia making that sort of case, though its the type of thing they'd jump on.

Dizzy seems townie from tone and how they approached spf case on me, but that's like a light town read.

Anarchy has apparently claimed so they're a civ, but just totally 100% wrong.

Marmot common mislynch don't see the reasoning for them.

Jay: I'm not a fan of him asking about how many mafia are among the 0 posters. Unless the logic is I think everyone who's posting is a civ hence mafia in 0 poster literally no reason to assume one way or another it's NAI.

Lime Coke, NotAnAxehole, dolby, falcon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Interesting that sig believes anarch’s claim without a second thought.

Interesting means clearly town right because I’m doubling down

[ilario]

Why I think marmot is town

Sloonei: I'd vote for responding to a joke post with an deadpan question.

Wait where did he do that at?

My reason for voting him is also a joke.

But I'm talking about this exchange.


The reason I'd stated interest in voting for LC was that when I first joined the thread, you'd been pretty quick in responding to my posts, but took much longer to respond to my question asking about scumreads. But I also see that you were interacting with someone else, and your response is agreeable in the sense that I believe what you said, so I'm willing to walk that back for now.

This is a sharp observation, it gives me similar town vibes that spfs observation did on the post about the time stamps with sig

Pending his response about scumreads, I'd vote LC if the day ended right now.

Sloonei: I'd vote for responding to a joke post with an deadpan question.

JJJ and TSP: no qualms with either yet.

He opens the game with two reads

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Erm, my scumread of Sloonei was a joke and I walked back my initial ping regarding Lime Coke. I thought I'd stated both of those things in the thread (definitely the latter, and I believe yes on the former). Why don't you find them coming from a scum mindset?

I have no updates on either read at this moment.

He then later walks back on the only two reads he gave. Normally this isn’t a towntell but in the context of this specific lobby I believe it is. This game has been running rampant with trs flying left and right. A scum would feel somewhat pressured to follow suit with this trend. So the notion of marmot walking back on the only two reads he gave halfway into his iso is pretty towny if you ask me.

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

Suspect me, I dare you.

The confidence in this is somewhat towny

jaggedjimmyjay
sloonei
dyslexicon
sonofanarch
illario
lime coke
notanaxehole
dolby
johanna
g-man
falcon
TSP
marmot
sig

rough snapshot of where my brain is at. i feel good about jagged/sloonei/dizzy/sonofanarch being villagers, and in a world where there is a wolf within these names, i believe that it would only be one. i townread limecoke/illario as well - i think that limecoke has consistently gotten more and more villagery as the day has gone on, and i think that illario has been villagery from the moment the game started - the only reason he isn't in my "confident town" tier is because i know how strong his wolf game is, and how bad i can be at reading him lol

falcon has made no impression on me so far. TSP is mildly wolfy solely because his posts don't make sense to me.

marmot is low in my list because as much as i love the GIF in https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 76#p855876, i think the way marmot talks about TSP feels overly hedgy/cautious. sig is low in my list for obvious reasons

i do not think this is The Solve, and looking at this list more, i actually suspect i'm misreading someone in my list of towns (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is), but i think it's a good enough place to start. current feeling is that there's a wolf or two in the bottom 4 names and then another wolf or two in the zero posters, and then one final wolf in the upper tier. that might an overtly convoluted way to explain my reads, but it's just how i'm looking at the game rn

AMA

Your list of suspects is kinda standard Syndicate LHF.

Marmot sets them self up to fos spf by shading her list for having lfh

Well, I'm reading SPF's ISO and there's some damn good content.

Her take on sig earlier today was quite nuanced and one I would expect more from a townie player as opposed to a scum player for that reason. I saw that it does include a response to Dizzy, but I don't think that implicates Dizzy like I think SPF implied.

I'm also probably going to volume-clear Dizzy for Day 1. In the last game I hosted, he played as scum, and didn't really post that all that much until he had to.

He had the set-up to shade spf but in his next post he instead goes on to tr her. I think this progression feels very natural to me: 1. Sees a reads list from spf he finds odd 2. Decides to iso spf 3. Emerges from the iso with a tr on her for original reasons for him

Should I pull quotes, or can I just say that it looks like TSP is trying to move the thread in a direction without doing the work to make it happen and it isn't working? In this case, the direction is to point out that sig is town.

Good post

I read sig's ISO. It's 12 posts. It's not townie. I could see him being town, but I could also see him being scum. I can't make up my mind on him right now. I can't tell what he's trying to do, except pick a fight with a player that's roleclaimed. Those are the kind of waves that, at least to me, don't make sense for a scum player to make.

I'd love feedback on this take.

Good post

Well, I'm reading SPF's ISO and there's some damn good content.

Her take on sig earlier today was quite nuanced and one I would expect more from a townie player as opposed to a scum player for that reason. I saw that it does include a response to Dizzy, but I don't think that implicates Dizzy like I think SPF implied.

I'm also probably going to volume-clear Dizzy for Day 1. In the last game I hosted, he played as scum, and didn't really post that all that much until he had to.

This post is entirely pockets / perhaps a partner slipped in there. Its entirely fluff and no substance.

I feel the same way about JJJ, working pretty hard, but has nothing interesting to say.

Is there a difference in your mind between people who are working hard with nothing interesting to say, and people working hard in order to look town?

I like this question

I'm not sold on a Dolby TR yet. I've been trying to explain that my SR of Sloonei was a joke, but he still maintains that I was serious, and that he TR's me for it. Reason being, I expect scum to lock themselves into reads more, and I expect townies to be more fluid.

Marmot is not heavily trd at this point, in fact a fair few people fos him. I don’t think as scum he thinks it’s a good idea to shut down one of the few people who found him towny. So his treatment of Dolby here is towny

[sig]

Interesting that sig believes anarch’s claim without a second thought.

If he fake claimed I'd expect the real watcher to have claimed/counter claimed. I mean in theory they could be among the non posters, but that's risky so probably not the case. If he didn't straight up claim then oops people shouldn't be saying he did.

Going to do my repeat, just because Sloonie/Jay townread each other doesn't mean they're locked town.

From there, I've caught up in theory, mainly skims and still haven't read the first 8 pages.

SPF case on me doesn't seem mafia aligned, but it's not good. It's like the equivalent of someone "scum slipping" when it wasn't a slip, but like worse. Especially if trying to think I'm mafia. HOWEVER, I don't see mafia making that sort of case, though its the type of thing they'd jump on.

Dizzy seems townie from tone and how they approached spf case on me, but that's like a light town read.

Anarchy has apparently claimed so they're a civ, but just totally 100% wrong.

Marmot common mislynch don't see the reasoning for them.

Jay: I'm not a fan of him asking about how many mafia are among the 0 posters. Unless the logic is I think everyone who's posting is a civ hence mafia in 0 poster literally no reason to assume one way or another it's NAI.

Lime Coke, NotAnAxehole, dolby, falcon.

Falcon can't ever read D1 so ignoring him.

I want to reread Lime Coke I know they're active, but nothing solid which is a negative point on my end.
Dolby no read

Axe doesn't seem as abrasive as I've seen in past games. Idk if there's a meta to that or not?

[Sloonei]

@sig if i’m reading your recent posts correctly, your current list of suspects looks like this:
JaggedJimmyJay

Am I mistaken?

[sig]

@sig if i’m reading your recent posts correctly, your current list of suspects looks like this:
JaggedJimmyJay

Am I mistaken?

He's got a raised eyebrow, but I'd probably not go for axing him today.

[Sloonei]

@sig if i’m reading your recent posts correctly, your current list of suspects looks like this:
JaggedJimmyJay

Am I mistaken?

He's got a raised eyebrow, but I'd probably not go for axing him today.

Okay. You have not named anyone else you are suspicious of. So where we go from here?

[ilario]

Well it’s 2am here and imma go sleep. I have class early tomorrow but I’ll probably be able to get in for a bit to put a vote down. A lot can change between now and then and rather putting an uninformed vote I’m gonna trust my vote to the triad. @Son of Anarch @Dyslexicon my vote is all yours just ping me with your thoughts sometime towards eod and I’m Happy to sheep for today.

My only person poe rn probably looks
Something like tsp/lime(sadly this might be the first time I sr you on a day 1 like ever so I hope I’m not wrong)/maybe falcon or dolby, potentially sig?

But yeah I’d imagine a lot will change from now till eod so imma ride it out with the triad.

[Dyslexicon]

Apparently, I can't load the site unless I use Chrome. o.o

[Dyslexicon]

Anyway, I went back to look at Anarch's ISO. And I agree with myself that there are certain things that mafia almost never does, like saying the game lack spice then adding some, saying they're town as fuck, saying they'll make an enemy out of the next people posting. So I'm still happy to be in a triad with him and Ilario. New friends ^^

[Dyslexicon]

I'm not sold on a Dolby TR yet. I've been trying to explain that my SR of Sloonei was a joke, but he still maintains that I was serious, and that he TR's me for it. Reason being, I expect scum to lock themselves into reads more, and I expect townies to be more fluid.

Went back to take a look, and I'm not really clear on what Dolby was saying in your exchange. @Dolby If you could elaborate?

[Dyslexicon]

Did you slot me into Unad? Can I upgrade to a Triad?

You can be my secret lover

[Dyslexicon]

Me all of the times I've read to be careful about town reading Ilario, going on to not be careful about town reading Ilario:

[Dyslexicon]

say we elim 2 towns back to back, then would you entertain the idea of him being in a poll?

How about we don't chop 2 town, and instead chop two mafia lol.
If it helps, I also town read Sloonei here, and I would say I've been ok to ok+ at reading him in the past. Doesn't mean he can't fool me, but he doesn't really feel wrong to me here. I guess I could explain more in depth if you want me to.

[Dyslexicon]

Well falcon's posts certainly bear his typical town personality. Trust no one. I am not terribly confident that this is a good reason to call him town, but at the very least he looks familiar.

You have an unusual early interest in my slot this game, and you're approaching it in a very hdegey way that makes me curious...have I ever seen your scum game?

Kind of like this post.