[Endgame] Masters of the Universe Mafia

[indiglo]

Time for some re-reading of people, methinks!

I think we need to hear more from Dom - who has said several times that he has forgotten he is playing he also got a bit aggressive with Snow Dog over being new

Indiglo - during the 2nd BWT lynch, you seemed to want people to think that he could be an Indy based on the Timmer lynch and what people were surmising from his almost unanimous vote. However, the two lynches were not quite the same and BWT did not get a unanimous vote the first time around. In fact, the first time around, you had no problems voting for BWT at all. Is that because you knew he would not be lynched?

You mis-read my question/post. That's not at all what I "wanted people to think". I was probing Juliets about it to see what her thoughts were on the matter.

I don't believe for a second we have definitive proof that Timmer is an Indy (which I've said in the thread at least once), and it surprised me that we had a very similar lynch (well, non-lynch) with BWT - but the next day everyone still wanted to lynch BWT. But when it happened with Timmer many folks were saying "oh, we better not try to lynch Timmer again, that didn't work out so well". I find that double standard very odd, tbh.

Still have a page of posts to catch up on, and like Llama I'm not really sure what direction to head in for today's lynch. I do have in mind a couple of people to re-read though... maybe that will turn up something.

[thellama73]

OK, Llama, since you are so enlightened, who should we be looking at today?

You don't have to be sarcastic. :P

I have a few people I'm looking at. I don't trust He-Man, I already mentioned my suspicion of Indiglo, and I think the points other people have been making about Dom are pretty good. He has pinged me a few times, but I haven't really been able to pin him down. And quite frankly, I have been suspecting YOU for a long time now. For now I am content to wait and see how the conversation develops, because I am not 100% on anyone yet.

[indiglo]

I have to agree re: Timmer. What is it about his non lynch that makes everyone think he is not a baddie?

I think his attitude and his very demeanour.

I've explained why I think this a bunch of times and I am not going to do it again. You can read my pas posts on the topic.

Honestly, you're all free to disagree with me, but the people who keep pretending that those who think Timmer is Zodac haven't explained themselves are either being intentionally dense or trying to throw us off the track. It's very pingy to me.

Ok, hold the phone. That just isn't true. Let's remember not to get tunnel vision here as the game goes on. I am most certainly not being intentionally dense (and that's not a very nice thing to say), and I am most certainly not trying to throw anyone off track. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or doesn't see things the same way you do doesn't make them stupid (on purpose or on accident) or mafia.

So let's avoid the name calling/insults if possible, as we've already discussed that earlier in the thread.

I only know what I know - and that's limited. I only see what I see in the thread - and it's just my perspective on what I read from other people. It's easy to read into things that aren't there, or see something someone else doesn't see - whether it's really there or not. But sometimes it can be easy to get a little over zealous when you really believe something (or really know something is true) and someone else doesn't see it just yet.


I would like to do a re-read on Dom today - though it will be very quick and won't tell me much since he's hardly posted. And I'd also like to do a re-read on He-Man.



Oh, I also just saw something in LT's post that caught my eye...

In fact, the first time around, you had no problems voting for BWT at all. Is that because you knew he would not be lynched?

Nope, that's because while he was defending himself he contradicted himself. Made it pretty obvious to me he was bad.

[thellama73]

I have to agree re: Timmer. What is it about his non lynch that makes everyone think he is not a baddie?

I think his attitude and his very demeanour.

I've explained why I think this a bunch of times and I am not going to do it again. You can read my pas posts on the topic.

Honestly, you're all free to disagree with me, but the people who keep pretending that those who think Timmer is Zodac haven't explained themselves are either being intentionally dense or trying to throw us off the track. It's very pingy to me.

Ok, hold the phone. That just isn't true. Let's remember not to get tunnel vision here as the game goes on. I am most certainly not being intentionally dense (and that's not a very nice thing to say), and I am most certainly not trying to throw anyone off track. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or doesn't see things the same way you do doesn't make them stupid (on purpose or on accident) or mafia.

You didn't read what I wrote. I said it's perfectly fine to disagree with me. It's the people pretending not to have heard or understood my explanation that I find disingenuous.

[Snow Dog]

I have to agree re: Timmer. What is it about his non lynch that makes everyone think he is not a baddie?

I think his attitude and his very demeanour.

I've explained why I think this a bunch of times and I am not going to do it again. You can read my pas posts on the topic.

Honestly, you're all free to disagree with me, but the people who keep pretending that those who think Timmer is Zodac haven't explained themselves are either being intentionally dense or trying to throw us off the track. It's very pingy to me.

I don't disagree. Never have.

I know, and that's part of the reason why I have had you pegged as a civvie for the entire game.

And I always had you pegged as a civvie too.

I have a few people I'm looking at. I don't trust He-Man, I already mentioned my suspicion of Indiglo, and I think the points other people have been making about Dom are pretty good. He has pinged me a few times, but I haven't really been able to pin him down. And quite frankly, I have been suspecting YOU for a long time now. For now I am content to wait and see how the conversation develops, because I am not 100% on anyone yet.

I see he-Man's being mentioned a bit now. Someone I suspected from the very beginning as it happens.

[Kate]

OK, Llama, since you are so enlightened, who should we be looking at today?

You don't have to be sarcastic. :P

I have a few people I'm looking at. I don't trust He-Man, I already mentioned my suspicion of Indiglo, and I think the points other people have been making about Dom are pretty good. He has pinged me a few times, but I haven't really been able to pin him down. And quite frankly, I have been suspecting YOU for a long time now. For now I am content to wait and see how the conversation develops, because I am not 100% on anyone yet.

I was just following your lead Now, lets be friends.

I know you suspect me, I still have no idea why. But, I'm so not mafia, its almost silly...

Funny think about indi, I thought she was bad from her first post in the sign up thread instead of here. I know that is kind of a goofy reason to think someone is bad, but those types of things happen and they stick out to me as slip ups. It always comes across to me like the post was written and prepared and then post (in the wrong place). Why would she be accidentally responding to someone if she hadn't just read the post. As I said before, I kind of fell out of sync with the game for a while and I forgot all about that until you (or someone upthread) mentioned it.

[indiglo]

Ok, so from the get go I noticed that several of us have been pinged by He-Man throughout the course of the game. Let's look at how some of his posts/game play has progressed throughout the game.

First he starts off encouraging Llama's enthusiasm about who we should begin looking at. (Folks who missed the vote.)

Then he continues to encourage it, by asking... "so, who never voted?"

This was his first mention of "finding baddies" - which he feels we'll be able to do with much discussion.

Next he says he feels all the discussion is "chaotic".

While in his next post he says "FYI, I love all the chat it's great". So from the first day, we're already seeing some contradictions in He-Man's posts.

Here he starts backpeddling that he didn't support Llama's method of (looking at non-voters), but he just supported his enthusiasm. (But remember, up above, he asked "so, who missed the vote?") He also pulls a "no U" on MP who called him on his contradictions.

Here is where there was some back and forth between He-Man & Kate where she was calling him on his contradictions. His defense is basically another "no U".

Then he starts looking at DH, when he had never mentioned DH once in all his other posts (with long lists of names), now suddenly he's all for looking at DH - ONLY AFTER MP talked about voting DH due to MP's hex.

Here's yet another list of names, and how convenient that everyone on his list was silenced that day! Also now he flip flops on Kate, and says she hasn't done anything that warrants a vote for her. (When he "no U'ed" her earlier when she pointed out his contradictions.)

More talk about DH - and He-Man admits that even though MP may be hexed ("interesting theory") he still thinks DH is bad, and likely on The Horde.

Here he votes DH, because "DH is playing his baddie game". Why He-Man never mentioned this until MP was hexed is a mystery though.

Here he continues to defend his DH vote - I suppose setting up a likely defense in the even DH was lynched and flipped civ. Still, if He-Man saw DH's baddie game, why wasn't it mentioned before MP's hex to vote DH?

Now all of a sudden, he flip flops on DH (after voting for him, and saying how certain he is that this is DH's baddie game). He says "if DH turns up bad I'll have my eye on a few". Why would he suddenly wonder, when he was sure previously?

And now suddenly he's off DH, and is on about Spaghetti, but also likes LT's case on BWT.

Votes BWT, and wants Spaghetti looked at more tomorrow. Now I guess He-Man's totally done suspecting DH?

There's a sentence in this post that strikes me as funny: "As to why I voted DH I honestly thought he was bad, he never made any real on topic effort all his posts were of a jokey funny way, and he pinged me." Yes, but by looking at He-Man's posts, DH must have only pinged very suddenly and for like... 5 minutes.

I had been pinged by He-Man previously, but after my re-read... I'm pretty sure I know where my vote will be going today.

Lots of linki...

[indiglo]

I have to agree re: Timmer. What is it about his non lynch that makes everyone think he is not a baddie?

I think his attitude and his very demeanour.

I've explained why I think this a bunch of times and I am not going to do it again. You can read my pas posts on the topic.

Honestly, you're all free to disagree with me, but the people who keep pretending that those who think Timmer is Zodac haven't explained themselves are either being intentionally dense or trying to throw us off the track. It's very pingy to me.

Ok, hold the phone. That just isn't true. Let's remember not to get tunnel vision here as the game goes on. I am most certainly not being intentionally dense (and that's not a very nice thing to say), and I am most certainly not trying to throw anyone off track. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or doesn't see things the same way you do doesn't make them stupid (on purpose or on accident) or mafia.

You didn't read what I wrote. I said it's perfectly fine to disagree with me. It's the people pretending not to have heard or understood my explanation that I find disingenuous.

That's fair enough, Llama. And a good point.

[indiglo]

OK, Llama, since you are so enlightened, who should we be looking at today?

You don't have to be sarcastic. :P

I have a few people I'm looking at. I don't trust He-Man, I already mentioned my suspicion of Indiglo, and I think the points other people have been making about Dom are pretty good. He has pinged me a few times, but I haven't really been able to pin him down. And quite frankly, I have been suspecting YOU for a long time now. For now I am content to wait and see how the conversation develops, because I am not 100% on anyone yet.

I was just following your lead Now, lets be friends.

I know you suspect me, I still have no idea why. But, I'm so not mafia, its almost silly...

Funny think about indi, I thought she was bad from her first post in the sign up thread instead of here. I know that is kind of a goofy reason to think someone is bad, but those types of things happen and they stick out to me as slip ups. It always comes across to me like the post was written and prepared and then post (in the wrong place). Why would she be accidentally responding to someone if she hadn't just read the post. As I said before, I kind of fell out of sync with the game for a while and I forgot all about that until you (or someone upthread) mentioned it.

Sorry for the double/triple/whatever post.

That slip up was because I was trying to quote Anna's 2 posts on the message board. I thought they were both in this thread, but 1 was actually in the signup thread. (I just clicked from her profile on "All posts" to find them, and they came up on 1 page, so I didn't realize they were from different threads.) I copy/pasted her post from this thread (to quote it), and then clicked "Quote" on the other one, which had my reply ending up in the signup thread. Now I know how to view posts from just this thread, so I'm doing that.

[Zany Dex]

Ok, so from the get go I noticed that several of us have been pinged by He-Man throughout the course of the game. Let's look at how some of his posts/game play has progressed throughout the game.

First he starts off encouraging Llama's enthusiasm about who we should begin looking at. (Folks who missed the vote.)

Then he continues to encourage it, by asking... "so, who never voted?"

This was his first mention of "finding baddies" - which he feels we'll be able to do with much discussion.

Next he says he feels all the discussion is "chaotic".

While in his next post he says "FYI, I love all the chat it's great". So from the first day, we're already seeing some contradictions in He-Man's posts.

Here he starts backpeddling that he didn't support Llama's method of (looking at non-voters), but he just supported his enthusiasm. (But remember, up above, he asked "so, who missed the vote?") He also pulls a "no U" on MP who called him on his contradictions.

Here is where there was some back and forth between He-Man & Kate where she was calling him on his contradictions. His defense is basically another "no U".

Then he starts looking at DH, when he had never mentioned DH once in all his other posts (with long lists of names), now suddenly he's all for looking at DH - ONLY AFTER MP talked about voting DH due to MP's hex.

Here's yet another list of names, and how convenient that everyone on his list was silenced that day! Also now he flip flops on Kate, and says she hasn't done anything that warrants a vote for her. (When he "no U'ed" her earlier when she pointed out his contradictions.)

More talk about DH - and He-Man admits that even though MP may be hexed ("interesting theory") he still thinks DH is bad, and likely on The Horde.

Here he votes DH, because "DH is playing his baddie game". Why He-Man never mentioned this until MP was hexed is a mystery though.

Here he continues to defend his DH vote - I suppose setting up a likely defense in the even DH was lynched and flipped civ. Still, if He-Man saw DH's baddie game, why wasn't it mentioned before MP's hex to vote DH?

Now all of a sudden, he flip flops on DH (after voting for him, and saying how certain he is that this is DH's baddie game). He says "if DH turns up bad I'll have my eye on a few". Why would he suddenly wonder, when he was sure previously?

And now suddenly he's off DH, and is on about Spaghetti, but also likes LT's case on BWT.

Votes BWT, and wants Spaghetti looked at more tomorrow. Now I guess He-Man's totally done suspecting DH?

There's a sentence in this post that strikes me as funny: "As to why I voted DH I honestly thought he was bad, he never made any real on topic effort all his posts were of a jokey funny way, and he pinged me." Yes, but by looking at He-Man's posts, DH must have only pinged very suddenly and for like... 5 minutes.

I had been pinged by He-Man previously, but after my re-read... I'm pretty sure I know where my vote will be going today.

Lots of linki...

erm, so lets start at the beginning

not sure how many times Ive got to explain my day one actions or whether anyone wants to hear it again. But my vote helped us nail a baddie. Bf is not my teamie, and hope this can be proved.

Being a civvie I was put out of joint by the amount of votes I received on day one, and I thought kate has just voted but it appears she had voted earlier and THAT was cleared up

I didn't pull a No U on Mp I was surprised he voted me and I did flip flop on him having no team mates does that, you have to trust yourself

Kate, I was put out by her vte for me it felt opportunistic, and Im sure a couple of vites were from baddies trying to save Boomslang.


also I have justified my vote for DH I was wrong, I often am, it was foolosh of my to go after someone who had been hexed but I thought he was bad, (gut) I was wrong.

also I had 9 votes and DH had 5, in that lynch where my team mates? I dont have any thats where.


Yes I do want Spaghetti looked at, Im sure he tried to subtly defend BWT I personally think they are on the same team.

Your vote will help lynch me Indi, your wrong about me, I am not bad.

I think Dom needs to be looked at as well as Spaghetti and Timmer

Im on my ipad if Ive missed anything, please let me know.

[Zany Dex]

Ok I have found Spaghetti Everywhere suspicious mainly because most of his posts actually all but one are aimed at me or excuses for not participating, now I know RL gets in the way and I think its his first game but this is a real good baddie tactic too and we need to take this into account

firstly notice the Timmer buddying, we are all pretty certain Timmer is bad, though some think he is indy, I do not.

SE didn't vote Strydor.

You didn't factor "civvies might want to actually win the race" into your theory??? Why not? Why wouldn't civvies want to win? You keep changing your "theory" around seemingly to fit whatever is being said. I don't understand at all.

Well take my theory and suck it, because you voted for Stridor and I'm voting for you, totally over it

Also, I'm not sure I understand fully why you voted for reywaS, BF, so can you elaborate on this?

Because he was irritating me? Also, I have to admit I thought the vote was today

I don't know if "because somebody irritated you" is a very good reason to vote to kill them... just my thinking. Rereading your back-and-forth with reywaS, he makes some good points about you being a bit wishy washy about your theories. that being said, I'm gonna have to agree with timmer here and say that this whole stridor/non-stridor business doesn't seem to be going anywhere at all.

As for who I'm feeling suspicious of, It's hard for me to say any one person, there are still a lot who have been busy and are catching up or havent even posted yet. I dont think we should target any non voters as of right now, I would be more willing to do that on a day 2 or day 3 vote. The only person thats really pinging me in the slightest would be He-Man, mostly for not posting anything of real substantial analysis and really only saying things like (paraphrasing here) "lets start talking so we can find baddies"

Then the excuses

Bah. Sorry everybody. The vote ended while I was in school today. I'll do better to keep track of end times so I can vote early if necessary. Interesting result from the vote though, surprised that nobody died. Going to have to go reread roles and see if i can get an idea of what happened.

Ugh. So sorry i've missed like two votes now x( i'm so awful at keeping track of when these things end.

As for what i've missed: YAY WE KILLED BOOMSLANG THE BADDIE!!! dont know what to make of MP surviving nor of this timmer beating everybody up.

then again he is pinged by me,

also an eye for spaghetti everywhere, he was quite prolific in my near downturn on day one yet where is he now? is he silenced even yesterday I dont think we saw much of him.

I'm here, I've just been extremely busy and i'm usually a quiet player anyways. As for being "quite prolific" in your near downturn, I said ONCE that you were pinging me slightly. Since then I have mentioned you zero times.

Now as for you, you actually still are pinging me. You've been pretty wishy washy all game too, as well as throwing out names all game of people you say are good, such as:

Well if she is civ then is nothing to see there. Anne didn't play the game yeah she made a vote but no on will no the reason for it. So for now indigo who is a she is cool with me

and all you ever do is talk about BF

BF makes a good point on reywas vote he didn't take into account all the drama of the last few hours he kinda skipped over it. That doesn't seem very rey like. And roxy with her BWT vote hmm I agree very non committal.

As for me tying up the vote we as a mafia community more often than not lynch civvies day one, this is why I voted boomslang he pinged me and it was enough to try and help BF.

I'm a civvie BF is likely civvie 2 civvies with the more votes than anyone else, classic day one.

Now I could be wrong about BF but he seems helpful to me. And helpful with the info he got and he is not afraid to lay it all out there something baddies rarely do.

Now onto the subject of your wishy washyness, I'd like to point out two specific instances.
1. First you give MP the eye for him just suspecting people. Then you go on to say

well done on suriving MP, its likely now your civ

and then now you're after him again for just saying DH is bad, which it seemed he was blatantly trying to tell us that he was under some sort of hex thing making him say stuff like that.

Mp your super flip floppy this game, first Im suspicioius then Im not then Im suspicious then Im not...dude make your mind up.

I suggest you do the same and make up your damn mind.
Also, you jumped on the DH bandwagon very quickly.
2. Earlier in the game, you and Kate had a band and forth and you seemed pretty adamant that Kate was bad because she accused you and voted you. Now you go and say things like:

as for kate, meh, I'm not seeing her as susoicious right now, I could be wrong but dont feel she has done anything to warrant a vote SO EARLY in the day when she has no defense and there is plenty of time to discuss others.

Yeah. Just some thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind that I am defending neither MP or Kate, they just had to be used as examples to prove my point. Both of them are actually under my suspicions as well.

then more excuses

@spaghetti I miss the pictures you were drawing

I've been extremely busy and this game's pictures are hard to draw because I have no background in MOTU I'll draw pictures whenever I have time and know enough of whats going on to draw one.

Also, it seems like AATB and thellama have been chosen, and my vote wont make a difference, so i'll choose them too i guess.

he has fell behind by 10 pages and more excuses

I'm so sorry everybody, I have been so busy im not comfortable voting anyone until i catch up on the 10+ pages i have to read. hopefully I can do that soon. once again, apologies.

then

I'm leaning for a baddie team as well, since info on the good guys will simply paint targets on our heads for night kills. Of the two baddie teams, I think it makes sense to pick the smaller of the two.

I think this seems like the most logical solution, and so I will choose this as well. Also, BIH Mantenna, great work everyone!

so SE is busy its understandable, but he is not helping the civvies he has only said that I'm suspicious and thats not hard to since everyone finds me suspicious

I hope you dont take offense SE I know your new but this is not personal

[Snow Dog]

^He won't read that for ages...he's busy. lol

[Zany Dex]

^He won't read that for ages...he's busy. lol

thats fine, I realise life is busy what do you think of SE in this game Snow Dog? I know your suspicious of me and thats cool but what about SE?

[Kate]

HEMAN what sticks out to me in your defense post is you ask: where are your teammates? However, you had more votes but did not get lynched. DH did. Or whatever happened to him. So I guess the answer would be, they were switching the lynch.

[Zany Dex]

HEMAN what sticks out to me in your defense post is you ask: where are your teammates? However, you had more votes but did not get lynched. DH did. Or whatever happened to him. So I guess the answer would be, they were switching the lynch.

I dont have team mates Kate, vote manipulation was at play for sure, but not from me.

[Snow Dog]

^He won't read that for ages...he's busy. lol

thats fine, I realise life is busy what do you think of SE in this game Snow Dog? I know your suspicious of me and thats cool but what about SE?

What about him? That is the thing......he seems hardly to be here so hard to tell. Are you suggesting his absense may be feigned so he doesn;t look suspicious for not posting?
Let me be clearer. Do you think he is not posting and voting on purpose and that his busy life is just an excuse?

[Zany Dex]

^He won't read that for ages...he's busy. lol

thats fine, I realise life is busy what do you think of SE in this game Snow Dog? I know your suspicious of me and thats cool but what about SE?

What about him? That is the thing......he seems hardly to be here so hard to tell. Are you suggesting his absense may be feigned so he doesn;t look suspicious for not posting?
Let me be clearer. Do you think he is not posting and voting on purpose and that his busy life is just an excuse?

well did he vote BWT? I dont know because he has not been bolding his votes

[Snow Dog]

^He won't read that for ages...he's busy. lol

thats fine, I realise life is busy what do you think of SE in this game Snow Dog? I know your suspicious of me and thats cool but what about SE?

What about him? That is the thing......he seems hardly to be here so hard to tell. Are you suggesting his absense may be feigned so he doesn;t look suspicious for not posting?
Let me be clearer. Do you think he is not posting and voting on purpose and that his busy life is just an excuse?

well did he vote BWT? I dont know because he has not been bolding his votes

I'll check

[LittleTiger]

^He won't read that for ages...he's busy. lol

thats fine, I realise life is busy what do you think of SE in this game Snow Dog? I know your suspicious of me and thats cool but what about SE?

What about him? That is the thing......he seems hardly to be here so hard to tell. Are you suggesting his absense may be feigned so he doesn;t look suspicious for not posting?
Let me be clearer. Do you think he is not posting and voting on purpose and that his busy life is just an excuse?

well did he vote BWT? I dont know because he has not been bolding his votes

Spaghetti has missed the vote for the last two lynches.

[Snow Dog]

^yep, that is true.

[reywaS]

Just stopping in quickly to say that I still am not convinced that Timmer is not a baddie. I also am suspicious of Dom...I definitely agree with those that pointed him out. I also have been pinged by Indiglo. Also, is Ace playing? I will speak on this more later.

[thellama73]

I may have missed it, but did you offer an explanation for your vote for LT, He-Man? It seems to me that if anybody has been playing a civvie game, it's LT.

[Zany Dex]

I may have missed it, but did you offer an explanation for your vote for LT, He-Man? It seems to me that if anybody has been playing a civvie game, it's LT.

I feel I have justified my vote enough. I was wrong, we all are at sometime or other.

[Zany Dex]

Also I igloo your case on me is

Your suspicious of me for promoting discussion day one

Defending myself when I was in line for a day one lynch

Having suspicions changing my mind when that person has replied with something I find appeasing.

Finding DH suspicious who didn't add many suspicions made LOL posts and didn't really defend himself, granted he is likely civ now but at the time hexed or not I found him suspicious and I nearly paid the price.

Kate is not making me feel great. Dom and dfaraday not making me feel all warm and fuzzy either,

[indiglo]

*votes He-Man*


The more you post, the more sure I am.

[Zany Dex]

*votes He-Man*


The more you post, the more sure I am.

So we're not even 6 hours into a 48 hour period and you vote. Jeeesh.

Why are you trying to stop conversation. Shall we all vote now and just stay quiet for the next 40 hours?

[thellama73]

*votes He-Man*


The more you post, the more sure I am.

So we're not even 6 hours into a 48 hour period and you vote. Jeeesh.

Why are you trying to stop conversation. Shall we all vote now and just stay quiet for the next 40 hours?

I actually am leaning towards thinking you are not bad, He-Man, but this is pretty hilarious pot-calling-the-kettle-black, given that you cast the first vote today.

[Zany Dex]

*votes He-Man*


The more you post, the more sure I am.

So we're not even 6 hours into a 48 hour period and you vote. Jeeesh.

Why are you trying to stop conversation. Shall we all vote now and just stay quiet for the next 40 hours?

I actually am leaning towards thinking you are not bad, He-Man, but this is pretty hilarious pot-calling-the-kettle-black, given that you cast the first vote today.

Well I've justified my vote LT is where you need to look.

[indiglo]

*votes He-Man*


The more you post, the more sure I am.

So we're not even 6 hours into a 48 hour period and you vote. Jeeesh.

Why are you trying to stop conversation. Shall we all vote now and just stay quiet for the next 40 hours?

Yes, please stop all conversation - I DEMAND IT! Ya big goof.

I'm not going to have very much time to mafia today or tomorrow, I'm sure, so I voted. I would seriously encourage other civs to vote the same way. Your defense is extremely superficial, and doesn't actually address or explain any of the real issues I see with your posts in this game.

Again, just as a reminder, I do not want anything bad to happen to YOU. I just want your role gone.

[Zany Dex]

*votes He-Man*


The more you post, the more sure I am.

So we're not even 6 hours into a 48 hour period and you vote. Jeeesh.

Why are you trying to stop conversation. Shall we all vote now and just stay quiet for the next 40 hours?

Yes, please stop all conversation - I DEMAND IT! Ya big goof.

I'm not going to have very much time to mafia today or tomorrow, I'm sure, so I voted. I would seriously encourage other civs to vote the same way. Your defense is extremely superficial, and doesn't actually address or explain any of the real issues I see with your posts in this game.

Again, just as a reminder, I do not want anything bad to happen to YOU. I just want your role gone.

I replied to your case on me the best way I could if there is something I missed then please ask, I don't mind. Your wrong about me, I really am a civ, I will do all I can to show you too

Lol didn't you tell someone else not to name call? I'm cool with being called a goof this once btw, but yeah double standards.

[LittleTiger]

It should be VERY obvious that He-Man's vote for me is forced.

[juliets]

Even though I think Spaghetti bears some looking into I think He-Man is bad and attempted to divert us from looking at him. I was going to pull posts but indiglo beat me to that - I may still find some things to add to her case.

[Zany Dex]

Do it JC your wrong about me.

[Flyin' High]

I am feeling torn on where to look today. I have been so busy with work, applying for a new job, and traveling for a friend's wedding that I don't feel like I have as good a hold on this game as I did earlier on.

Since the lynch doesn't end until Friday morning I am going to hold off on my vote because I will definitely have some time tomorrow night at the hotel to catch up on the game (and I won't forget my laptop power cord for this trip!). I need to go pack and practice the talk I'm giving tomorrow so I'll either be back later tonight, or not until tomorrow evening.

I do find it a bit odd that thellama is giving He-Man grief about his vote for LT when I think it's pretty obvious he's been hexed like MP was.

If He-Man is bad he is much more likely to be on The Horde since he voted to tie Boomslang with blindfaeth Day 1 and appears to have been hexed by Snake Mountain (I doubt they'd hex one of their own). I need to go back and see how he responded to the case against BWT.

Anyway, I need to go for now, be back later!

[juliets]

If He-Man is bad he is much more likely to be on The Horde since he voted to tie Boomslang with blindfaeth Day 1 and appears to have been hexed by Snake Mountain (I doubt they'd hex one of their own). I need to go back and see how he responded to the case against BWT.

This got me thinking. Why wouldn't they hex one of their own? When it comes to insanification and silencing we've seen many baddie teams who have done it to one of their own to try and take suspicion off that person or to protect them from getting voted for. So if it happens with those powers, and I'm sure others that I'm forgetting here, why not hex your own too?

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

It should be VERY obvious that He-Man's vote for me is forced.

Can He-Man's vote even be forced? I mean to my experience these extra characters usually can't be targeted by stuff. Or am I missing something?

[juliets]

It should be VERY obvious that He-Man's vote for me is forced.

Can He-Man's vote even be forced? I mean to my experience these extra characters usually can't be targeted by stuff. Or am I missing something?

I think she means He-Man the person not He-Man the character.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

Oh dear. I actually didn't know He-Man was an actual member and thought he was one of those people exclusive to a certain game. My bad, LOL.

[timmer]

FYI, I'll be a bit absent from the game until later tomorrow night.

[Zany Dex]

FYI, I'll be a bit absent from the game until later tomorrow night.

This doesn't surprise me. Lay low so everyone just focuses on me.


Since I'm the adding nothing to the conversation whilst you are here

[Zany Dex]

Something else that caught my eye was DP thinking I'm some sort of host created account would the real he-man a civvie really get this much heat? I don't think so the more I think about it the more it raises my eye brow

[Kate]

If He-Man is bad he is much more likely to be on The Horde since he voted to tie Boomslang with blindfaeth Day 1 and appears to have been hexed by Snake Mountain (I doubt they'd hex one of their own). I need to go back and see how he responded to the case against BWT.

This got me thinking. Why wouldn't they hex one of their own? When it comes to insanification and silencing we've seen many baddie teams who have done it to one of their own to try and take suspicion off that person or to protect them from getting voted for. So if it happens with those powers, and I'm sure others that I'm forgetting here, why not hex your own too?

I was just going to say this. Having HE Man vote LT is kind of a stupid choice of target wouldn't you say, otherwise? She is not up for lynch and no one, that I can think of is even eyeing her direction.

[blindfaeth]

FWIW I agree with the He-Man case, thats probably where my vote will go, and I'll have to vote soon (re: leaving on the cruise). It was nice to see indi sort of "step up" and I've been getting good vibes from her.

If He-Man is bad he is much more likely to be on The Horde since he voted to tie Boomslang with blindfaeth Day 1 and appears to have been hexed by Snake Mountain (I doubt they'd hex one of their own). I need to go back and see how he responded to the case against BWT.

This got me thinking. Why wouldn't they hex one of their own? When it comes to insanification and silencing we've seen many baddie teams who have done it to one of their own to try and take suspicion off that person or to protect them from getting voted for. So if it happens with those powers, and I'm sure others that I'm forgetting here, why not hex your own too?

^This. I think he could swing either way, tbh. The most difficult thing to explain is the vote for me to tie me up with boomslang. But if you'll recall, Roxy threw away her vote. Listen up guys, this is kinda important. One thing I definitely learned from gaining the staff of the people's voice is that there are vote manipulations in this game beyond Skeletor's Hex, and I suspect most of it lies with the baddies/indy's, since Madame Razz is the only civvie with secrets. I wouldn't put it past a relic or technology to grant extra votes or something either. Anyway, point being, it wouldn't surprise me if Roxy's role threw an extra vote on me Day 1 or something, expecting Boomslang to survive a tied lynch, not realizing that others have vote manipulations as well.

Anyway, He-Man is just pinging me, posting defenses pre-emptively, it just tells the tale of a worried baddie who thinks he's a goner before everyone else has even decided where to cast their vote.

Linki w/ Kate

[blindfaeth]

It should be VERY obvious that He-Man's vote for me is forced.

LT, just trying to understand, can you explain who this was directed to? Because I don't see who was talking about his forced vote, or why this is relevant I guess.

[LittleTiger]

It should be VERY obvious that He-Man's vote for me is forced.

LT, just trying to understand, can you explain who this was directed to? Because I don't see who was talking about his forced vote, or why this is relevant I guess.

A couple of people have mentioned it during the last day and again this day period - that his vote for me is suspect. He was very obvious about being forced to vote me last lynch so I thought I would point that out.

I am still not convinced that He-Man is a baddie, tbqh. He has responded to everything, his answers make sense. Considering how many times he gets lynched as a civvie, it makes me more cautious where he is concerned. Also, Indiglo's case on him included stuff that He-Man has already responded to. So....

I still want to hear from Dom. He was reading this thread yesterday and I am pretty sure he saw my post. Also, Aceofspaces - where the heck is he?

[Snow Dog]

Skeletor's hex last for two days and this is the third time (I think) he has voted you LG. Now I am by no means certain he is mafia, but it is within the bounds of possibility that he is feigning a hex so as to seem civ.

[Snow Dog]

^And by LG I mean of course LT.

[Kate]

Skeletor's hex last for two days and this is the third time (I think) he has voted you LG. Now I am by no means certain he is mafia, but it is within the bounds of possibility that he is feigning a hex so as to seem civ.

This is the third time what? Hexes or votes?

[Zany Dex]

^And by LG I mean of course LT.

This is the second time I've voted LT actually I voted BWT THE DAY BEFORE

[LittleTiger]

Skeletor's hex last for two days and this is the third time (I think) he has voted you LG. Now I am by no means certain he is mafia, but it is within the bounds of possibility that he is feigning a hex so as to seem civ.

No, this is the 2nd time.

Also, I notice while looking at my spreadsheet that Vompatti voted for you two days in a row and then Snake Mountain killed him/her on N3.

Here are the votes that seem to have been hexed:

Possible: Vompatti for Snow Dog D2 and D3

MP for DH D3 and D4
BF for MP D4 and D5
Timmer for BF D4 and D5
He-Man for LT D5 and D6

Note that two people appear to have been hexed at the same time for D4 and D5. So, either Leech is responsible for that duplication or one of them was not actually hexed..