so, like, a post like this
what have i said that i "don't believe" and how do you draw that conclusion? of course i believe all the stuff i say, i'm town
but if you're generic aggro scum, this is the type of accusation you make against someone
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so, like, a post like this
I've started thinking that you might be good here as well (there have been posts that I like), but I haven't wanted to voice that.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 am I am stopping here because this is getting to the point where it is adversely affecting thread health.
It should be clear that Gira is not interested in advancing a town agenda. They are either wolf or so unable to handle being scumread that they implode and start working for wolves when pushed. Luckbox is probably town actually now that I think of the two testimonies wrt their meta.
[VOTE: Wisp] aubergine
Back to this.
i mean, eah, i think it's myopic but i think you're doing it as town at this pointfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 amI've played with Luck several times on this site, I don't consider him new.Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 amyour whole POE is people who aren't regulars on the sitefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:40 amWho are you talking to with this post?Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am what level of self-awareness are you on to look at the people who are not regulars on this website and decide "yes, these people are the ones who are most likely scum, this is fine process of elimination. i am in no way subject to cognitive biases in my thinking"
You feel you're being targeted because you're new to this site?
What level of self awareness are you on that you think you're being SR simply cyz you're new, and not based off your posts?
seems clear that you're just suspecting people off unfamiliarity while not wanting to vote those you know better
suggests a very biased way of thinking
As far as yourself & Wisp are concerned, are you gonna pretend I haven't given reasons as to why I'm SR you both?
If it's simply a case of "F the new guys", that's fairly myopic of me, don't ya think? Am I doing that as town, or as Maf in your opinion?
Am I town, or am I scum?Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:01 amthis is silly but early on, in the very first hour of the game, felt like he was antsy to get things going and slightly frustrated with the slow start where i'd expect scum in that situation to be more okay with just hanging back. that was slight but since then i've felt his posts have all been fine, nothing's struck me as badfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:45 amWhat did you like about Luck early on?Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:41 amliked luck early, still deciding on wisp, had some good vibes (the post about waiting for ender to drop the poetry so he could scum read him made me laugh), other stuff not sure about yetfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 amFor whom?
And why? I'm gonna assume you're saying you're town here but what about the other 2? What's your read on them and why?
As far as Wisp goes, you seem to be basing an unsure TR off him having a funny post.
So how do you scum hunt? Go after the players who don't make you laugh?
I mean you said the POE was genuinely embarrassing, so I thought you'd have a bit more substance to your thoughts as to why the players in it are town.
that's not all of what i liked about wisp but like, i felt like that post was a sentiment that felt more likely to come from town, i don't know how to explain it
like, a lot of his post so far have been null to me in that i'd expect him to have this blase attitude toward the early game as either alignment, approach to alison was a little weird but still digging into it. i vaguely remember liking some things he said but that was last night
most of what i feel so far is going off gut, i don't particularly have strong reads especially early day 1 (and i still consider this early). i mostly view people in a grey area until something moves me one way or the other, i won't town clear someone off flimsy reasoning
i don't need to have firm reads to see that there's a clear bias in the way you're thinking that is unlikely to yield success and is really inhospitable to deal with
So who are your scum reads atm?Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:04 ami mean, eah, i think it's myopic but i think you're doing it as town at this pointfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 amI've played with Luck several times on this site, I don't consider him new.Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 amyour whole POE is people who aren't regulars on the sitefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:40 amWho are you talking to with this post?Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am what level of self-awareness are you on to look at the people who are not regulars on this website and decide "yes, these people are the ones who are most likely scum, this is fine process of elimination. i am in no way subject to cognitive biases in my thinking"
You feel you're being targeted because you're new to this site?
What level of self awareness are you on that you think you're being SR simply cyz you're new, and not based off your posts?
seems clear that you're just suspecting people off unfamiliarity while not wanting to vote those you know better
suggests a very biased way of thinking
As far as yourself & Wisp are concerned, are you gonna pretend I haven't given reasons as to why I'm SR you both?
If it's simply a case of "F the new guys", that's fairly myopic of me, don't ya think? Am I doing that as town, or as Maf in your opinion?
so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird readEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay
i'm voting alison. don't have strong suspicions otherwise. sorry if that's not good enough
I still don't think there is a reason to clear Wilgy.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:11 am I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.
If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.
Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.
seth as in seththeking/truesoulenergy? if so then he's obvious town
Yes and to your above post, yes, I got executed day one, was unfortunate
Not sure if that last sentence is really necessary, do you?
lol i don't actually mean to come off as dismissive with that, though i can see why you'd take it that way, i was being cognizant that i'm not a fast starter, sorry if that seemed rudefalcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:24 amNot sure if that last sentence is really necessary, do you?
I mean, for someone who talks about others being inhospitable, you sure seem fine tossing around your own lil comments, eh?
I'm not here to make the game unfriendly for anybody, and if I haven't come across as a friendly player, I apologize.
I'll give you some space, so you can do your thing.
Yeah, but Ender's read on Nanook re: his reads, are pretty shallow since Nanook hasn't really given any and is sheeping Gavs vote on Gav.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:11 am I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.
If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.
Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.
What is Nanook doing that is contrary?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 amHe is doing contrary things.
Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.
There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v
His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.
It has nothing to do with wilgy, I haven't read much of anything in regards, I don't think he's done anything that someone like me without meta can even lean him on, without asking him questionsLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:04 pm Wisp,
What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?
Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?
I just ISO'd him. He only has 14 posts and they're all pretty short.Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:10 pmIt has nothing to do with wilgy, I haven't read much of anything in regards, I don't think he's done anything that someone like me without meta can even lean him on, without asking him questionsLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:04 pm Wisp,
What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?
Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?
I expected your read to be less of, "I don't think he should be town, to I don't think he has done much fo anything, to I think he can be a wolf"
You haven't answered my question in my opinion. So there isn't much of a reason for me to believe your vote isn't malicious.
Honestly I'm surprised ender hasn't jumped on you for that, since this is exactly what he pushing in regards to me
I just ISO'd him. He only has 14 posts and they're all pretty short.Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:10 pmIt has nothing to do with wilgy, I haven't read much of anything in regards, I don't think he's done anything that someone like me without meta can even lean him on, without asking him questionsLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:04 pm Wisp,
What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?
Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?
I expected your read to be less of, "I don't think he should be town, to I don't think he has done much fo anything, to I think he can be a wolf"
You haven't answered my question in my opinion. So there isn't much of a reason for me to believe your vote isn't malicious.
Honestly I'm surprised ender hasn't jumped on you for that, since this is exactly what he pushing in regards to me
Yeah I don't agree with much of anything in this post...you don't care about the alignment of Wilgy re: Luck's vote on them?Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:10 pmIt has nothing to do with wilgy, I haven't read much of anything in regards, I don't think he's done anything that someone like me without meta can even lean him on, without asking him questionsLuckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:04 pm Wisp,
What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?
Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?
I expected your read to be less of, "I don't think he should be town, to I don't think he has done much fo anything, to I think he can be a wolf"
You haven't answered my question in my opinion. So there isn't much of a reason for me to believe your vote isn't malicious.
Honestly I'm surprised ender hasn't jumped on you for that, since this is exactly what he pushing in regards to me
I disagree. I like the second paragraph and I'm starting to town lean on Wisp. They may have a play style that is more saying exactly what they're thinking, but I don't get the sense that they're really catering to anyone.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:27 pmThat whole 2nd paragraph is susWisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:17 pmI don't towncofe people, if others want to do it, fine, but I haven't seen a decent explanation on many of them if any of them have from what I skimmed at work. And if your town core includes a person because they ate dirt or something, that means little to nothing to me.
Not surprised people dislike my playstyle, this happened in my first game on DLP, even though my read list that people hounded me for, had two wolves in my poe, and I was voting one of them. And it got called bad by wolves and town alike. Kek
The pain of being pretty convinced Falcon is town, but this also looking exactly like the way he interacts with scummates and also just a way scum interact together in generalWisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:54 pmanswer my questionfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:52 pmFunny, I had the same question about boomerWisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:51 pmdo people actually still call others a snowflake?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:49 pmIs it as cool to call people a boomer as it is to call them a snowflake?
Asking for a friend
asking for a friend
also u say that so and so, should see you as town here, why?
idk peoples names and since this site brings up a new window, I don't feel like making a new tab to check
so my second question is, why? is your town and wolf game, so polarized, that your alignment is that obvious?
or am I am reading this the wrong way, because that doesn't seem like the sort of play style to be proud of
just convince yourself it must be NAIDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:30 pmThe pain of being pretty convinced Falcon is town, but this also looking exactly like the way he interacts with scummates and also just a way scum interact together in generalWisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:54 pmanswer my questionfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:52 pmFunny, I had the same question about boomerWisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:51 pmdo people actually still call others a snowflake?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:49 pmIs it as cool to call people a boomer as it is to call them a snowflake?
Asking for a friend
asking for a friend
also u say that so and so, should see you as town here, why?
idk peoples names and since this site brings up a new window, I don't feel like making a new tab to check
so my second question is, why? is your town and wolf game, so polarized, that your alignment is that obvious?
or am I am reading this the wrong way, because that doesn't seem like the sort of play style to be proud of
I don't know how much having one similar read constitutes mindmelding. My early reads are also very much just early impressions (though they can often be quite accurate). Also don't quite agree with your assessment of my typical scum game, but that doesn't quite matter right now.
Nothing in particular, I just find it difficult to read nanook and usually farm the read on him out to a trusted player.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:00 pmWhat is Nanook doing that is contrary?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 amHe is doing contrary things.
Nanook is tendant towards diplomatic play when scum.
There is a slight warning bell in that he also likes to establish an early pocket when scum (Lookin' at you Gav) but overall more rand!v
His funniness is appreciated but irrelevant to this impression.
His ISO is extremely limited, and like half if it is about sheeping Gav
@Alison What do you like about Ender's read on Nanook?
He is jumpy. He is paranoid. He is tonally pure. He picks at stuff and makes connections between them like a conspiracy theorist tying two pins together on a bulletin board. This falls squarely within his town meta.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:42 pmWhy is Gavial town?
I do think it is, but it would be cool if you could explain it anyway. Hating the random tunnelling.
I don't really have a scum read yet.Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:47 amLet me ask you something.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:00 am @Gavial Wtf is your problem with me? Are you trying to look like you’re bussing me? Cause you definitely just picked a scum read at random here.
Who do you scum read?
Because I’m pretty sure it ain’t Falconz
He is voting himself so I doubt that's the issue he has.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:54 pmI don't really have a scum read yet.Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:47 amLet me ask you something.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:00 am @Gavial Wtf is your problem with me? Are you trying to look like you’re bussing me? Cause you definitely just picked a scum read at random here.
Who do you scum read?
Because I’m pretty sure it ain’t Falconz
Are you tunnelling me because I voted someone I town read? That's genius.
No, really. What I'm reading from Lucky's posts are quite reasonable takes and processes for this stage in the game. Not everyone comes into the game thinking they have immediately solved it.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:52 amSo you don't have strong reads but you're quick to discredit others' and cast shade on them for it.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 amThere is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.
Got it.
I'm not sure anything really goes on between us. I got the instinctive feeling that Alison was just town for the way she came in. It's about the force of which she cleared Falcon. And it's obvious why she thought Falcon should be cleared, and I think she's trying to use that to her advantage. Which would be very towny. Not unfakable probably, but still very efficient/towny. So that was my instinct.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:56 amI'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am Let me give you a helping hand.
You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.
Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
Oh yeah. I've been chosen for a Gavial tunnel before and I hate it.
But what even are my reads tbh lol
It's probably easy to forget, but please remember that this is early game and I'm still throwing shit around and trying to get my footing. Recall our team game mafia together when I first scum read you and then changed my mind about it. I can get early instincts, and I can exaggerate or just straight up make up reads, just to get a footing in the game. My read on Alison was my instinct there and then and it's still up for evaluation. Weighing it up against everyone else and how I feel about the game as a whole.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:15 amRe your approach to Dizzy: that's all fine and reasonable.
It's Dizzy's approach to you and the way Dizzy started clearing you basically instantly that I find odd. And some of that might be because in the only other game I played with you the two of you together, Dizzy tunneled you for the entire game, but it seems odd that you would get an insta-clear.
I think it's quite likely you are town, and I'm interested to hear your view on the game as a whole.
I haven't read your poem posts tbh tbh.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:35 amMeh. If my poetry made it unfun, sorry. Not intended. Was trying to be quirky and fun since my brain otherwise isn't co-operating.
I'll drop it then.
You also said this when I scum read you the game before, when we were t/t, and you scum read me backAlison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 amYou've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:20 am yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.
In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:59 am Y'all are nerds and I love you.
Don't get migraines.
Not worth it.
Night.
Strong, but I'm unsure if I like the take. Dizzy may be fooling me.Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:23 pmDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:19 pmObviously mafia who can't partake in the enthralling discussion of color theory.Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm wisp ignoring everything and focusing on the software is mildly interestingI don’t like this post.
If Dizzy’s scum though they aren’t aligned with Lucky and probably aren’t aligned with Wisp.