Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[tessepia]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

[Luckbox Inc]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

Nice OMGUS.

Truth hurts. Alison villagery, your refusal to accept that is NGL.

[Gavial]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

lol I have 3 voters? btw I'm not getting exed

Of course you won’t.
That’s Alison’s role today!

But I think it’s probable you could be with them so I’ll keep that in mind after Alison dies.

[Luckbox Inc]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

tyty. I liked it too.

I'm ready to start villaging with you if you're a villager. Can we talk?

[tessepia]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

tyty. I liked it too.

I'm ready to start villaging with you if you're a villager. Can we talk?

sure

[Gavial]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

Nice OMGUS.

Truth hurts. Alison villagery, your refusal to accept that is NGL.

Alison ain’t Villagery at all.


Look at it this way.
Town can act Wolfy, Wolf can act Townie.

Now here’s a good example of that:
Leafia - Usually Wolfy regardless of alignment
(I play with them and no matter what they are gonna feel like scum.)
Alison - Usually Townie regardless of alignment




See if you resolve everything based on Playstyle you never have an accurate win, it’s just as good as rolling the dice and letting the dice decide who you vote.

If you let someone with such a Townie Playstyle stay alive later game they are gonna have increase chances of winning.
If you let someone with such a Wolfy Playstyle stay alive later game they are gonna have increase chances of losing.


This goes for either alignment.
It’s a safer bet to remove the stronger wolf before it’s too late!

[Gavial]

Technically I lied saying Alison ain’t villagery.
It’s more like they ain’t Villagery like to the level they should be if they are town.
They are playing very low level if they are town.

[Gavial]

Like it’s so much stuff that happens and the way Alison is going about stuff is where you can see them for yourself being ObvWolf.

[Luckbox Inc]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

tyty. I liked it too.

I'm ready to start villaging with you if you're a villager. Can we talk?

sure

Ok on D1 people were like "woah Mizery is Illwei that's not a good look for her"....and you made a post that was pretty much "well if she's not villagery then she can die", then she made one post that didn't really have to do with anything game related, you called it villagery and found your way onto Dizzy.

Question is: Do you think your dynamic with Illwei could prevent you from treating her objectively on D1?

I think there are also some big differences in how you treated Dizzy here vs the game where Dizzy was wolfing, you called him a wolf, and died on D1-- in that game you were pretty much like "lol Dizzy is a wolf and should die", and here you didn't express any sort of confidence about it-- I would expect that after nailing w! Dizzy in your previous game, that you would reference that when making a case for it in the next game. It seems wolfy that you didn't.

[Lime Coke]

Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Why not? When Alison is town she's known to be a threat to wolves, and it would be a massive mischop if Alison is actually town.

[Lime Coke]

I mean if Alison kills town!lc, and then kills town me, there is no way people don't think about executing her. I said before I would chainsaw her, but I doubt I actually would lmao

So would you just sit there and allow town to eat 2 mischops in a row courtesy of wolf!Alison? Why not avoid that by voting her out and getting rid of a wolf that has a massive influence over the game?

[Luckbox Inc]

Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Why not? When Alison is town she's known to be a threat to wolves, and it would be a massive mischop if Alison is actually town.

Wolves don't typically all pile on a villager in a coordinated fashion like that, and people are also constrained by their metas-- like if Esooa is a wolf and Alison is village, Esooa is going to have a harder time being like "lol Alison is wolfing" when Alison is a villager.

And it would be more likely that wolves would follow Alison, kill you, and then turn around and try to kill Alison anyways.

[Gavial]

Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Why not? When Alison is town she's known to be a threat to wolves, and it would be a massive mischop if Alison is actually town.

Yeah man, no wolves In their right mind would push her unless she pushed them or they have an opportunity like this one to vote her.

I don’t see anyone jumping on Alison so that’s why I’m trying to encourage others to vote Alison as Alison is even more clearly wolf!

[Gavial]

I mean if Alison kills town!lc, and then kills town me, there is no way people don't think about executing her. I said before I would chainsaw her, but I doubt I actually would lmao

So would you just sit there and allow town to eat 2 mischops in a row courtesy of wolf!Alison? Why not avoid that by voting her out and getting rid of a wolf that has a massive influence over the game?

That’s EXACTLY what I’m saying!
Mindmelt.
If you all let her live she has 2 easy ML’s in the LHF.

That’s why we need her out today!

[Luckbox Inc]

Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Why not? When Alison is town she's known to be a threat to wolves, and it would be a massive mischop if Alison is actually town.

Yeah man, no wolves In their right mind would push her unless she pushed them or they have an opportunity like this one to vote her.

I don’t see anyone jumping on Alison so that’s why I’m trying to encourage others to vote Alison as Alison is even more clearly wolf!

Alison voters are you, LC, and Mizery

you could very well be the only villager there-- so this whole idea is pretty lol.

[Gavial]

If we vote Tess today we resolve nothing
If we vote LC today and they flip Mafia we know Alison is playing Buss this game.
If we vote LC today and they flip Town we know Alison is setting up for 2 more ML’s on LHF.

[Millium]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

[Gavial]

So the best conclusion here is obvious even if you all want to admit it or not.

We vote Alison out today.
Simple.

[Gavial]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

I think Tess is a really bad vote and and doesn’t resolve anything.

If you don’t vote Alison at least vote LC so you know for sure Alison is wolf.

Like we are in the same position tomorrow if Tess flips town where with LC we aren’t.
If Tess flips mafia then what?
Look it’s just better to go Alison and you suddenly stopping that makes me believe you guys could be distancing.

[Millium]

I don't really care about resolving things, that makes it sound like an information execute, I want to kill wolves

[Lime Coke]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

If you're feeling that's more likely the case than Alison being a wolf then sure, I could understand you seeing that.

I don't get why you're not seeing me town here either way.

[Gavial]

I guess at this point I think everyone could be wolf with Alison except for like Me, Wigly, Mizery and maybe Ender.

[tessepia]

Ok on D1 people were like "woah Mizery is Illwei that's not a good look for her"....and you made a post that was pretty much "well if she's not villagery then she can die", then she made one post that didn't really have to do with anything game related, you called it villagery and found your way onto Dizzy.

Question is: Do you think your dynamic with Illwei could prevent you from treating her objectively on D1?

I think there are also some big differences in how you treated Dizzy here vs the game where Dizzy was wolfing, you called him a wolf, and died on D1-- in that game you were pretty much like "lol Dizzy is a wolf and should die", and here you didn't express any sort of confidence about it-- I would expect that after nailing w! Dizzy in your previous game, that you would reference that when making a case for it in the next game. It seems wolfy that you didn't.

irt illwei I have been biased against killing her before. I was pretty sure she was a wolf when she wolfed against me but I tried killing her partners and we only hit town so that was rough lol. But I still thought she was a wolf pretty much that entire game beginning from day 1, and this game I just don't think she is

I don't think posts need to be "game related" to be towny though. Especially for like, illwei. She hates wolfing and the ways I found her town previous were

1: she posted like 250 times early on in team mafia, I didn't read a single post from her before saying "illwei's lock town" in team chat
2: the way she engaged with the thread in SF2 was very believable considering her approach to the game, mostly was considering how before the game she was like "there's a lot of good players and I feel useless which demotivates me from solving and doing things cause I don't think anything I say is worthwhile/is just useless"

comparatively, as a wolf, she was really awkward. She was blatantly trying to get on my good side, when I called someone town she came up with a not very believable reason to also call the same person town, then later in thread (DM's were open in this game) that "Esooa is town because we mindmelded"

Which wasn't really true and especially with how put-on the mindmeld into mention of it was, felt like she was very intentionally and awkwardly trying to get on my good side

And after the game too, as I said, she was too scared to wolf read me cause she thought I would bury her (which I did also notice when one of her town reads tried to dome me, she was very hands off, non-committal in a wolfy way)

I think her posts this game fall much more in line with the kinda stuff I read her for in her town games and not much from her wolf game

irt to Dizzy, my confidence was never that great on them, but when I came in it was 10 minutes to EoD and I wanted to get things done, and didn't want the wagoned people to die. You probably saw similar in like, cool mountainous mafia. Day 2 I made shit up and was way more confident on it than I really was/ought to be mostly to push people around and get reactions there, or to get votes onto who I wanted in basic mafia. Part of that too was me being annoyed that Alison was even being voted day 1 which I thought shouldn't be happening, and seeing as it was caused by Dizzy I pushed them for it.

Also, I did mention that I found Dizzy as a wolf previously, and that did factor into my read on them. I'm pretty sure particularly I said that the difference I noticed between wolf Dizzy and town Dizzy is that town Dizzy just didn't really care about reads on them, but wolf Dizzy was more appearance focused broadly, and that I didn't like their entry because the town reads seemed put-on and too much like buddying

[Gavial]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

If you're feeling that's more likely the case than Alison being a wolf then sure, I could understand you seeing that.

I don't get why you're not seeing me town here either way.

No, we push Alison.

Tess doesn’t resolve anything and it just allows Alison to continue pushing you tomorrow and all she needs after that is one more LHF to ML and BOOM!


YAY!
Alison wolf win!

[Lime Coke]

I guess at this point I think everyone could be wolf with Alison except for like Me, Wigly, Mizery and maybe Ender.

I wouldn't bus Alison if we're partners. I don't bus strong wolf players like that when they can do most of the work and I can just chill out.

[Lime Coke]

Actually...that recent Tess post is a good look.

[Gavial]

Ok on D1 people were like "woah Mizery is Illwei that's not a good look for her"....and you made a post that was pretty much "well if she's not villagery then she can die", then she made one post that didn't really have to do with anything game related, you called it villagery and found your way onto Dizzy.

Question is: Do you think your dynamic with Illwei could prevent you from treating her objectively on D1?

I think there are also some big differences in how you treated Dizzy here vs the game where Dizzy was wolfing, you called him a wolf, and died on D1-- in that game you were pretty much like "lol Dizzy is a wolf and should die", and here you didn't express any sort of confidence about it-- I would expect that after nailing w! Dizzy in your previous game, that you would reference that when making a case for it in the next game. It seems wolfy that you didn't.

irt illwei I have been biased against killing her before. I was pretty sure she was a wolf when she wolfed against me but I tried killing her partners and we only hit town so that was rough lol. But I still thought she was a wolf pretty much that entire game beginning from day 1, and this game I just don't think she is

I don't think posts need to be "game related" to be towny though. Especially for like, illwei. She hates wolfing and the ways I found her town previous were

1: she posted like 250 times early on in team mafia, I didn't read a single post from her before saying "illwei's lock town" in team chat
2: the way she engaged with the thread in SF2 was very believable considering her approach to the game, mostly was considering how before the game she was like "there's a lot of good players and I feel useless which demotivates me from solving and doing things cause I don't think anything I say is worthwhile/is just useless"

comparatively, as a wolf, she was really awkward. She was blatantly trying to get on my good side, when I called someone town she came up with a not very believable reason to also call the same person town, then later in thread (DM's were open in this game) that "Esooa is town because we mindmelded"

Which wasn't really true and especially with how put-on the mindmeld into mention of it was, felt like she was very intentionally and awkwardly trying to get on my good side

And after the game too, as I said, she was too scared to wolf read me cause she thought I would bury her (which I did also notice when one of her town reads tried to dome me, she was very hands off, non-committal in a wolfy way)

I think her posts this game fall much more in line with the kinda stuff I read her for in her town games and not much from her wolf game

irt to Dizzy, my confidence was never that great on them, but when I came in it was 10 minutes to EoD and I wanted to get things done, and didn't want the wagoned people to die. You probably saw similar in like, cool mountainous mafia. Day 2 I made shit up and was way more confident on it than I really was/ought to be mostly to push people around and get reactions there, or to get votes onto who I wanted in basic mafia. Part of that too was me being annoyed that Alison was even being voted day 1 which I thought shouldn't be happening, and seeing as it was caused by Dizzy I pushed them for it.

Also, I did mention that I found Dizzy as a wolf previously, and that did factor into my read on them. I'm pretty sure particularly I said that the difference I noticed between wolf Dizzy and town Dizzy is that town Dizzy just didn't really care about reads on them, but wolf Dizzy was more appearance focused broadly, and that I didn't like their entry because the town reads seemed put-on and too much like buddying

^
Look at this.
This seems like an honest town LHF answer.
The dedication in this post shows how much they are willing to give to us to show us why they are town.

@falcon45ca
Now rather they are town is one thing but as town they would definitely want to do this to try and prove to everyone they are wrong on them!
I think you should see that the correct vote here today is Alison.

[Gavial]

Actually...that recent Tess post is a good look.

Exactly!
Don’t fall for scum’s deception!

[tessepia]

ftr the reason Wiml misread and killed Illwei in SF2 was specifically because he reduced her contributions only to her reads, and didn't look outside that. I myself made the same mistake in SF3, wanting a more.. reliable, objective, idk, way of reading who I thought would be hard reads--it didn't work very well. It's not really a good idea to read most people solely, or even primarily, on the quality of their contributions

[tessepia]

Actually...that recent Tess post is a good look.

why

[Lime Coke]

@Gavial

Tess isn't LHF btw.

[tessepia]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

what post are you talking about?

[Gavial]

@lime coke
Look, just vote Tess, who in hindsight, is probably just a wolf trying to kill strong players

Also his last post was gross

@Gavial
I'm still thinking, where I want to vote, I'll probably end up on Tess, oraybe back to LC

what post are you talking about?

@Wisp
Answer please!

[Gavial]

Actually wait Tess hasn’t posted much I can just bring up a couple posts and you can point to the one your talking about wisp.

[Lime Coke]

Actually...that recent Tess post is a good look.

why

Because you're actually giving full details on a read about Illwei rather than just tossing something out there and you explained your reason to vote Dizzy in a descriptive way.

[Gavial]

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

tyty. I liked it too.

I'm ready to start villaging with you if you're a villager. Can we talk?

sure

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

lol I have 3 voters? btw I'm not getting exed

She's literally tunneling a villager, then is setting to mow down a second town Day 3 afterwards.

Esooa you've literally seen me fucking play. You should literally fucking know I'm town here.

How many games do you need to play with me in order to learn how to read me correctly?

tbh the only thing you're town-readable off of rn is getting really mad, and after bullshit with other wolves I'm just not gonna read AtE anymore, it's dumb anyways

why is Alison a wolf

She's literally claiming that I'm an outed wolf, NEVER STATES WHY I'M AN OUTED WOLF, literally just says "I'm sheeping Nanook who got night killed" and NOTHING ELSE, then proceeding to say I'm in anti-spew mode despite the fact that I've started to out reads and try to start solving which is an attempt to discredit EVERYTHING I SAY.

She literally fucking night killed Nanook just to say "Sheep his reads" to avoid responsibility when I flip town.

It's obviously a fucking plan, and you're allowing yourself to fall for it.

I'm going to tell you the exact same fucking thing you told me yesterday.

DO BETTER

okay, I mean you literally give a reason she stated after saying she hasn't stated why, and besides that she's given more reasons than that. Saying you're in anti-spew maybe isn't correct but it's not wolfy, and tbf since she started pushing you you've done basically nothing but omgus

past all that I'm town reading her cause I've not seen her randomly dome a villager as a wolf. Especially she wouldn't need to do that to you. There's just no real reason for it and it's not really how she wolfs

why is Alison a wolf

Which one? @Wisp

[Millium]

"I'm not getting lynched here" or w/e the actually wording is.
Also where the hell is Ender...
I'll be home in like 20 minutes or so

[Lime Coke]

I know what the response is going to be to that tbh.

[Gavial]

I mean id say the last one is pretty wolfy but other then that.

[tessepia]

Actually...that recent Tess post is a good look.

why

Because you're actually giving full details on a read about Illwei rather than just tossing something out there and you explained your reason to vote Dizzy in a descriptive way.

It makes me laugh when people think lacking explanation is indicative of much for me. I can explain myself as either alignment whenever I want, really

[tessepia]

"I'm not getting lynched here" or w/e the actually wording is.
Also where the hell is Ender...
I'll be home in like 20 minutes or so

What's wrong with that? It's true

[Gavial]

"I'm not getting lynched here" or w/e the actually wording is.
Also where the hell is Ender...
I'll be home in like 20 minutes or so

Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

lol I have 3 voters? btw I'm not getting exed

I know I shouldn’t point this out wisp but I think that might have been a PR soft.

[Lime Coke]

Actually...that recent Tess post is a good look.

why

Because you're actually giving full details on a read about Illwei rather than just tossing something out there and you explained your reason to vote Dizzy in a descriptive way.

It makes me laugh when people think lacking explanation is indicative of much for me. I can explain myself as either alignment whenever I want, really

Yup, knew you were gonna say that.

[Gavial]

Look at the way it is worded

[tessepia]

ftr since people were talking about falling off, it'd be cool if you guys said what you think of Gira's day 2--it's pretty much non-existent

[Gavial]

ftr since people were talking about falling off, it'd be cool if you guys said what you think of Gira's day 2--it's pretty much non-existent

It’s like they are sitting aside and letting someone else do something.
As if someone is making them calm.

Hey wait!
Alison does that to me when I roll scum with them!

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin
I know you must be thinking, do I vote? I don’t want to vote wrong? Who should I vote if I do? Should I vote Alison with Gavial?

Before you decide remember, remember that game you had in the past, the last game I played with you.
The one where I knew it was Jack but no one else seen it.

I also remember other games where you didn't sus the wolves.

I'm not going to sheep you.

Ever.

I'm going to take my time and come to my own conclusions.

[EnderWiggin]

Side note: Side-quests complete and now here. Will be live interacting while also ISOing/research. Any questions can be delivered to my secretary.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Tess is town.

[tessepia]

Also Tess is town.

why