Re: ɒiʇɒM: Mafia Wins

[Luckbox Inc]

You two can vote each other and then I'll decide

Thanks

[Gavial]

You two can vote each other and then I'll decide

Thanks

I’m fine with this.
Want @Marmot input though first.

I’ll tell you though Luck, If you are Scum here, Me and Marmot voting each other makes it impossible for you to win so I’m good with doing it like that.

[Gavial]

Never chop Wilgy.

Gavial I don't want to chop because if he's town, I want the nightkill tonight to be clear-cut. F3 is going to probably be harder if we go the easier route in F5. Is that a reasonable assumption of things?

That leaves Omega and Luckbox. I'd rather vote off Omega today. Luckbox has been far more objectively scummy throughout the game.

If Marmot is scum though it makes sense why both me and luck are here at F3.
Still leaning Luck but I don’t know why he’s making a play that completely would hinder his win con.

[Luckbox Inc]

Still leaning Luck but I don’t know why he’s making a play that completely would hinder his win con.

Could be because I was never too sure on the rules here...

Or it could be that I'm obviously not a wolf.

[Luckbox Inc]

The good news that in addition to obviously being not a wolf I'm also an ok late game villager

Problem is that I don't know how to read Gavial and respect his wolf game and don't know Marmot at all

GTH I think it's Marmot but it's like 60-40. Gavial thought process seems better but that's saying a lot.

[Gavial]

I mean if I have any defence that semi clears my slot the most it’ll be that NAA hard pushed me as being scum and scum painted me hard.

While I suppose it’s probable they could have done it if I rolled wolf it’s highly unlikely.

[Luckbox Inc]

Where is Marmot?

I wonder if I should vote first here also...like if I vote for Gavial and Marmot is a wolf, then that would put him in a tough spot?

[Marmot]

Where is Marmot?

I wonder if I should vote first here also...like if I vote for Gavial and Marmot is a wolf, then that would put him in a tough spot?

That's what we were asking about you Days 1-5 lol

[Marmot]

I mean if I have any defence that semi clears my slot the most it’ll be that NAA hard pushed me as being scum and scum painted me hard.

While I suppose it’s probable they could have done it if I rolled wolf it’s highly unlikely.

Yeah, but he didn't do it until after he was starting to get pushes for being yeeted. If it was happening beforehand, I think it'd be a better argument.

[Marmot]

The good news that in addition to obviously being not a wolf I'm also an ok late game villager

Problem is that I don't know how to read Gavial and respect his wolf game and don't know Marmot at all

GTH I think it's Marmot but it's like 60-40. Gavial thought process seems better but that's saying a lot.

What about your play makes you an ok late game villager?

[Marmot]

I actually think Gavial is the wolf at this point. He's been trying to get me chopped this whole game until today, and only now seems to be backing off of that.

I'm placing my vote on Luckbox for now. I may change it, but probably won't. [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

[Marmot]

Sorry Luckbox, I know you want Gav and I to vote each other, but hopefully this is a desirable outcome for you too.

[Gavial]

I actually think Gavial is the wolf at this point. He's been trying to get me chopped this whole game until today, and only now seems to be backing off of that.

I'm placing my vote on Luckbox for now. I may change it, but probably won't. [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I’m not backing off of it I stated my point that I think you are town but paranoid you could be wolf.
It’s F3 so I want to think hard before making my final choice.
Can you discuss with me why you think I’m wolf now?

[Gavial]

Like Marmot this game you were like “No Yeet on Gavial let’s have him die at night”!
Look where that left us.
Even consider maybe Luck purposely left me alive because you said that?
Either that or your scum purposely trying to bring me into F3 with you since you figured I wouldn’t “back off” from voting you.

[Marmot]

If Gavial is scum.

He is currently in a position where he needs votes, and at least one vote too. Luckbox offered him a choice where Gav and I trade votes, guaranteeing him at least one. This means that Gavial must entertain that both I am town (to make sense to vote for me), and that Luckbox is scum. It's hard to get someone's vote in that world, but Gav did jump on that offer.

If Gavial is town.

Gav seemed fully convinced that I was town up until today. I think Town-Gav sticks to his gut and votes for me today. But yeah it is the final day phase, so we must entertain all options, which is why he's not entertaining the notion that I am not town.



I think I'm still seeing the former of these two.

[Gavial]

Sorry Luckbox, I know you want Gav and I to vote each other, but hopefully this is a desirable outcome for you too.

But why deny it?
Why not just say Me and You should do it Luck and Gavi decides!

But instead you just vote Luck and not for a great reason either.
If your town please start giving me a reason for either the Luck vote or me being wolf.

[Marmot]

I actually think Gavial is the wolf at this point. He's been trying to get me chopped this whole game until today, and only now seems to be backing off of that.

I'm placing my vote on Luckbox for now. I may change it, but probably won't. [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I’m not backing off of it I stated my point that I think you are town but paranoid you could be wolf.
It’s F3 so I want to think hard before making my final choice.
Can you discuss with me why you think I’m wolf now?

I just explained it in my next post.

Also, like I said before. I tried to maintain a strong TR on you to get you nightkilled, and it didn't work. Maybe there's a world where Luckbox saw through my ruse, but I tried to play out F5 in a manner that would suggest that I would always vote for you over anyone else in F3.

[Gavial]

If Gavial is scum.

He is currently in a position where he needs votes, and at least one vote too. Luckbox offered him a choice where Gav and I trade votes, guaranteeing him at least one. This means that Gavial must entertain that both I am town (to make sense to vote for me), and that Luckbox is scum. It's hard to get someone's vote in that world, but Gav did jump on that offer.

If Gavial is town.

Gav seemed fully convinced that I was town up until today. I think Town-Gav sticks to his gut and votes for me today. But yeah it is the final day phase, so we must entertain all options, which is why he's not entertaining the notion that I am not town.



I think I'm still seeing the former of these two.

Yes because this is a team game!
We vote each other and if Luck is scum he loses anyway and if he’s town he needs to vote me and we win.
I’m not gonna insta vote F3 Marmot LMAO.

[Marmot]

Sorry Luckbox, I know you want Gav and I to vote each other, but hopefully this is a desirable outcome for you too.

But why deny it?
Why not just say Me and You should do it Luck and Gavi decides!

But instead you just vote Luck and not for a great reason either.
If your town please start giving me a reason for either the Luck vote or me being wolf.

Deny what?

[Gavial]

I actually think Gavial is the wolf at this point. He's been trying to get me chopped this whole game until today, and only now seems to be backing off of that.

I'm placing my vote on Luckbox for now. I may change it, but probably won't. [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I’m not backing off of it I stated my point that I think you are town but paranoid you could be wolf.
It’s F3 so I want to think hard before making my final choice.
Can you discuss with me why you think I’m wolf now?

I just explained it in my next post.

Also, like I said before. I tried to maintain a strong TR on you to get you nightkilled, and it didn't work. Maybe there's a world where Luckbox saw through my ruse, but I tried to play out F5 in a manner that would suggest that I would always vote for you over anyone else in F3.

Not really? You had refusal to vote me all game and you wanted me night killed.

[Marmot]

You can change votes, there's nothing wrong with insta-voting.

[Gavial]

Sorry Luckbox, I know you want Gav and I to vote each other, but hopefully this is a desirable outcome for you too.

But why deny it?
Why not just say Me and You should do it Luck and Gavi decides!

But instead you just vote Luck and not for a great reason either.
If your town please start giving me a reason for either the Luck vote or me being wolf.

Deny what?

The offer.

[Gavial]

All you had to do as Counter Offer (You and Luck instead of Me) or accept it.

Why straight out deny the entire plan?

[Marmot]

All you had to do as Counter Offer (You and Luck instead of Me) or accept it.

Why straight out deny the entire plan?

Because at this moment, I think you're scum, so I'm voting the only other option.

It's sorta poe.

[Gavial]

You can change votes, there's nothing wrong with insta-voting.

Well I’m town and if your town then that makes Luck wolf.
Why would I insta vote?

[Marmot]

You can change votes, there's nothing wrong with insta-voting.

Well I’m town and if your town then that makes Luck wolf.
Why would I insta vote?

What's wrong with insta-voting?

[Gavial]

All you had to do as Counter Offer (You and Luck instead of Me) or accept it.

Why straight out deny the entire plan?

Because at this moment, I think you're scum, so I'm voting the only other option.

It's sorta poe.

Wow you hear this dead peeps!
All you have to do to convince marmot I’m scum is keep me alive until F3!
Or
Marmot is just scum who planned this entire thing out.

[Gavial]

Giving dead people ideas for the next wolf games marmot.
Smh.

[Marmot]

Incredulity isn't going to sway me Gav. Please answer my question. What's wrong with insta-voting?

[Marmot]

We have 31 hours and votes are changeable. If anything, getting a vote on the table is pro-town. Scum in this situation is shooting themselves in the foot if they end the day with a vote somewhere.

[Marmot]

Like yeah, scum can also change their vote later etc, etc. But insta-voting is not anti-town.

[Gavial]

Incredulity isn't going to sway me Gav. Please answer my question. What's wrong with insta-voting?

You are rushing?
Insta voting means forget about thinking or trying just say fuck this game and vote someone.
That isn’t following your wincon or at least not well.
Yes I’d love to insta-vote and game throw!

You should take time to decide who scum is.
Speaking of which I already did and because I didn’t insta vote I had time to think.

I thought that I should base my vote placement on who was a better wolf player if wolf rather then potentially take forever to decide where to go.

I figured NAA - Marmot is an alright place to lose against.
Where as NAA - Luck I’d hate the idea of losing to that with what NAA did at the end there.
Therefore I’m voting you Marmot and if your Wolf then I hope Luck figures it out if not, then GG you win.

[Gavial]

We have 31 hours and votes are changeable. If anything, getting a vote on the table is pro-town. Scum in this situation is shooting themselves in the foot if they end the day with a vote somewhere.

Votes might be changeable but it still doesn’t mean I’m going to insta vote in F3.

[Gavial]

Like yeah, scum can also change their vote later etc, etc. But insta-voting is not anti-town.

Not directly Anti-Town but it’s rushed and no thought is being put into it or at least not enough.

[Marmot]

Insta voting means forget about thinking or trying just say fuck this game and vote someone.

Nah, it doesn't mean that at all. If I never post again, that would be true, but I will continue to post and contemplate.

I take it you're not done with this game either even though you've now placed a vote.

[Luckbox Inc]

The good news that in addition to obviously being not a wolf I'm also an ok late game villager

Problem is that I don't know how to read Gavial and respect his wolf game and don't know Marmot at all

GTH I think it's Marmot but it's like 60-40. Gavial thought process seems better but that's saying a lot.

What about your play makes you an ok late game villager?

You should probably worry less about that, and more about convincing me to vote for you and not gavial

[Luckbox Inc]

I actually think Gavial is the wolf at this point. He's been trying to get me chopped this whole game until today, and only now seems to be backing off of that.

I'm placing my vote on Luckbox for now. I may change it, but probably won't. [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

Interesting

[Gavial]

Insta voting means forget about thinking or trying just say fuck this game and vote someone.

Nah, it doesn't mean that at all. If I never post again, that would be true, but I will continue to post and contemplate.

I take it you're not done with this game either even though you've now placed a vote.

I suppose it is a bit different in this kind of setup but doesn’t change the fact I don’t like to do it.

[Gavial]

I’d Insta Vote maybe In a F7/F5 to see if I can out the team or get rid of the most difficult scum. (In a normal mafia game of course.)
But when it comes down to F3 I want to think more before I act.

[Gavial]

I’m referring to LYLO/MYLO situations btw.

[Gavial]

Like it’s kinda funny that one game I had it was a F9 LYLO.
I PoE’ed a guy as “has” to be scum despite no real evidence he’s scum or super sus.
I voted the guy and then a town said that because it is now confirmed me and the guy are opposite alignments the people voting should start with the scummiest.
Funny enough the most scummiest and person who made the play to remove town last day phase decided to vote me (was Scum of course)
Then another PoE voted me
Then the deep wolf voted me.
Then the silly town cop that was pocketed and should have obviously known they were being pocketed by the same dude that’s the scummiest player alive decided to vote me and town lost.

But I had the scum voting me.
The Town Cop IMO played real bad
They shared the Neighbourhood with the Mafia that relaid information from it to frame a town who was tonely pure in day chat and got them yeeted simply because “Red Check” despite me replacing into that game and going from “why is this check alive” to “we should never yeet this guy” yet he dies lol.

Like I’m sorry but in that game the cop played poorly.

But the point is if that cop chose correctly I would have essentially outed 3 Mafia including the deep wolf which to me would be worth it.

[Luckbox Inc]

Marmot,

You need to vote for Gavial and not for me
Thx...voting for me is a wolf claim.

[Luckbox Inc]

Incredulity isn't going to sway me Gav. Please answer my question. What's wrong with insta-voting?

You are rushing?
Insta voting means forget about thinking or trying just say fuck this game and vote someone.
That isn’t following your wincon or at least not well.
Yes I’d love to insta-vote and game throw!

You should take time to decide who scum is.
Speaking of which I already did and because I didn’t insta vote I had time to think.

I thought that I should base my vote placement on who was a better wolf player if wolf rather then potentially take forever to decide where to go.

I figured NAA - Marmot is an alright place to lose against.
Where as NAA - Luck I’d hate the idea of losing to that with what NAA did at the end there.
Therefore I’m voting you Marmot and if your Wolf then I hope Luck figures it out if not, then GG you win.

So you realize that you can't vote Marmot as long as Marmot is voting me, right?

[Luckbox Inc]

Because if I think Marmot is the wolf then what? I vote you and we flip it three ways?

Marmot has to be made to vote for you or to explain wtf he is doing.

[Gavial]

Incredulity isn't going to sway me Gav. Please answer my question. What's wrong with insta-voting?

You are rushing?
Insta voting means forget about thinking or trying just say fuck this game and vote someone.
That isn’t following your wincon or at least not well.
Yes I’d love to insta-vote and game throw!

You should take time to decide who scum is.
Speaking of which I already did and because I didn’t insta vote I had time to think.

I thought that I should base my vote placement on who was a better wolf player if wolf rather then potentially take forever to decide where to go.

I figured NAA - Marmot is an alright place to lose against.
Where as NAA - Luck I’d hate the idea of losing to that with what NAA did at the end there.
Therefore I’m voting you Marmot and if your Wolf then I hope Luck figures it out if not, then GG you win.

So you realize that you can't vote Marmot as long as Marmot is voting me, right?

Meh.
I voted him already so I’d say I can vote him.

It be better not to have a tie but that’s up to the wolf as the wolf doesn’t want to lose their opportunity to be voted.

We still would have a 2/3 chance to win anyway so I don’t mind those odds but yes I’d definitely prefer we agree upon someone.
I think your scum over Marmot (even though the main reason I voted is due to NAA.) is there anything you want to say that could show me your not mafia?

[Luckbox Inc]

Incredulity isn't going to sway me Gav. Please answer my question. What's wrong with insta-voting?

You are rushing?
Insta voting means forget about thinking or trying just say fuck this game and vote someone.
That isn’t following your wincon or at least not well.
Yes I’d love to insta-vote and game throw!

You should take time to decide who scum is.
Speaking of which I already did and because I didn’t insta vote I had time to think.

I thought that I should base my vote placement on who was a better wolf player if wolf rather then potentially take forever to decide where to go.

I figured NAA - Marmot is an alright place to lose against.
Where as NAA - Luck I’d hate the idea of losing to that with what NAA did at the end there.
Therefore I’m voting you Marmot and if your Wolf then I hope Luck figures it out if not, then GG you win.

So you realize that you can't vote Marmot as long as Marmot is voting me, right?

Meh.
I voted him already so I’d say I can vote him.

It be better not to have a tie but that’s up to the wolf as the wolf doesn’t want to lose their opportunity to be voted.

We still would have a 2/3 chance to win anyway so I don’t mind those odds but yes I’d definitely prefer we agree upon someone.
I think your scum over Marmot (even though the main reason I voted is due to NAA.) is there anything you want to say that could show me your not mafia?

Why is Marmot voting for me?

[Luckbox Inc]

Where is Marmot?

I wonder if I should vote first here also...like if I vote for Gavial and Marmot is a wolf, then that would put him in a tough spot?

That's what we were asking about you Days 1-5 lol

Why are you voting me?

[Luckbox Inc]

All you had to do as Counter Offer (You and Luck instead of Me) or accept it.

Why straight out deny the entire plan?

Because at this moment, I think you're scum, so I'm voting the only other option.

It's sorta poe.

Why do you think Gavial is scum plz?

[Marmot]

Marmot,

You need to vote for Gavial and not for me
Thx...voting for me is a wolf claim.

Why is it a wolf-claim?

[Marmot]

All you had to do as Counter Offer (You and Luck instead of Me) or accept it.

Why straight out deny the entire plan?

Because at this moment, I think you're scum, so I'm voting the only other option.

It's sorta poe.

Why do you think Gavial is scum plz?

I already explained it.