Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

#1051

yeah that does suck lol

#1052

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:02 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:01 pm Wait how is Wigly alive LOL
why wouldn't he be

For some reason I thought he was the guy we ML'd, but guess that was someone else.

#1053

i obviously want to hear Scotty's response, but i don't see why town would visit LC unless they're like a doctor. which, obviously he died, so that's not a thing.

#1054

Although I will point out this.

There are 2 dead Town Informative Roles.
The rules mention at least 2 Cops and 1 Lie Detector.
Furthermore we have an Oracle and Tracker/Watcher claim.
There is a 0 sum chance all of the above is Town.

#1055

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:07 pm Although I will point out this.

There are 2 dead Town Informative Roles.
The rules mention at least 2 Cops and 1 Lie Detector.
Furthermore we have an Oracle and Tracker/Watcher claim.
There is a 0 sum chance all of the above is Town.

well, one of the cops is insane, and LC's role wasn't that great (and not useful N1). and apparently the oracle isn't that great either.

#1056

falcon's role was the pointless role i assume

#1057

Yeah honestly none of the dead Town roles seem to be really useful.
I mainly am just pointing that out because day 1 I was thinking if there is a Lie Detector the chances of it being Mafia seem pretty high.

#1058

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:10 pm falcon's role was the pointless role i assume

I mean depends on if you consider Miller pointless.
it's a negative usefulness not necessarily no use.
At least I assume only the Compulsive modifier was false not the entire role.

#1059

I assumed the false was the entire role

#1060

Yeah I really wasn't sure since it was placed directly after compulsive.

#1061

i thought it was like "false framer" not false compulsive
but yeah not sure

#1062

I don’t understand Falcon’s role.

Was he actually vanilla?

#1063

Ultimately it doesn't matter too much as I highly doubt the false rule would have been that there wasn't a pointless role. There is dozens of ways to make a role pointless.
I'd probably wager the false information is the no redirection roles of any kind. The only others that would make sense to be fake are the Cops and lie Detector information.
Like there being only one cop for example (be it sane or insane) or just no lie detector to make people paranoid.

#1064

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:19 pm I don’t understand Falcon’s role.

Was he actually vanilla?

he was either vanilla or negative utility, i'm not sure either

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none of the PRs in the graveyard were that great

#1065

if SoA's not lying and there's more than 1 3P, then 3 wolves maybe?

#1066

Depends on the third party I suppose.
But what concerns me about the 3rd parties is that there was 2 kills and I'd be very surprised if Serial Killer isn't one of the 3rd parties.

#1067

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:23 pm Depends on the third party I suppose.
But what concerns me about the 3rd parties is that there was 2 kills and I'd be very surprised if Serial Killer isn't one of the 3rd parties.

ok but i killed falcon so that wasn't a 3P kill

#1068

There just is not a lot of viable 3rd party roles to even use as I doubt they are anything complex based on the roles flipped.

SK, Jester, Survivor, Lyncheer, and...?
I can't think of anything else.

#1069

I mean Oracle could also be insane I suppose.

#1070

oh i realized an insane cop is actually not useless, it just shows the opposite of the actual alignment

#1071

would someone know if they're insane though?

#1072

Well I guess an SK variant like Poisoner or Arsonist is possible.
A really scary thing I actually just rememebred though would be Cult. The host did say there is Bastard elements and you can't get much more bastard than a Cult.

And probably no, I doubt Cops know their sanity as it's rare (I think) to tell them.
They probbaly need to check 2 nights to actually figure it out.

#1073

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:25 pm There just is not a lot of viable 3rd party roles to even use as I doubt they are anything complex based on the roles flipped.

SK, Jester, Survivor, Lyncheer, and...?
I can't think of anything else.

i've heard of a lot of other 3P roles like angels, gamblers, etc
anyway probably not worth speculating right now, i'm just waiting for more people to check in

#1074

So I went to check and while I am not 100% sure what the host is deciding to call Vanilla, but according to MafiaScum Wiki and MafiaUniverse Wiki (which I consider to be the two most commonly used referenses for role naming and ruleings) both of them say that Vanilla only refers to Mafia Goon, Vanilla Townie, and sometimes Serial Killer or other 3-rd Party roles with no modifiers.

Notably any role which is named even if the role is considered not Vanilla.
Furthermore as far as False roles are considered they are considered to be the role they say they are, but their role does nothing. Rolecop for example would see Falcon as a Framer under these conditions.

#1075

I doubt the host will clarify as to whether or not Falcon was considered Vanilla. I think he was not though.

#1076

Alexa is confirmed 3p

#1077

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:01 pm Wait how is Wigly alive LOL

Why would I be dead?

#1078

I am an FBI Agent ... I check for serial killers. There's confirmed a serial killer in this game. Alexa claimed KP. Alexa is the serial killer.

#1079

I mean being honest a Vigilante isn't really out of the question either and I doubt an SK would claim Vigilante first thing day 2 and risk being CCd by a Vigilante or even a PGO would be a concerning claim to be up against.

#1080

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:18 pm I am an FBI Agent ... I check for serial killers. There's confirmed a serial killer in this game. Alexa claimed KP. Alexa is the serial killer.

you're lying then or received false information because i'm town and my power is 1 shot only so i'm not a serial killer

#1081

I didn't receive any information I am just saying my role confirms the existence of a serial killer and you claimed non mafia KP.

#1082

suppose I could be a false role but also if so meh

#1083

anywho you self resolve now cuz u only 1 shot so no need to belabour this point

#1084

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

#1085

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:41 pm I didn't receive any information I am just saying my role confirms the existence of a serial killer and you claimed non mafia KP.

why can't there be town KP + a SK?

#1086

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:41 pm I didn't receive any information I am just saying my role confirms the existence of a serial killer and you claimed non mafia KP.
why can't there be town KP + a SK?

where's the mafia kill?

#1087

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:43 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:41 pm I didn't receive any information I am just saying my role confirms the existence of a serial killer and you claimed non mafia KP.
why can't there be town KP + a SK?
where's the mafia kill?

Lime Coke
well yeah i mean i'm confused because i assume an SK would be a kill every night so it's possible one is protected

but yeah im one shot and town

#1088

Mac's a sussy baka. The claim is silly and I don't believe it.

#1089

There is also the chance with 3 kills in one night for 2 to be on the same person.

#1090

Not to mention the possibility of Roleblockers, Communters, Bulletproof which the Serial Killer is pretty much guaranteed to be otherwise they'd have no chance to win.

#1091

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:44 pm Mac's a sussy baka. The claim is silly and I don't believe it.

fuck around and find out

#1092

mac why are you voting sig when wilgy is saying scotty visited LC

also wilgy, why aren't you voting scotty?

#1093

cuz I don't believe him

#1094

The fuck

#1095

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:54 pm Scotty you son of a b**** why did he visit lime Coke last night

My role isn’t one that targets people so either I’ve been framed or you are just lying.

Based on the fact that we have falcon’s role that is fake it’s a full on bastard game so I don’t believe anyone on anything right now

#1096

it's wilgy... he lies

#1097

hes probably a wolf for it too

#1098

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:16 pm it's wilgy... he lies

You know? I don’t even think so. I think his role lies because my role I think lied to me last night

I think

#1099

Also sorry I wasn’t around for the last bit. I read back overnight and I still think SoA is bad.

An oracle role is not something I see exclusive to town so that means nothing to me.

#1100

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:16 pm it's wilgy... he lies
You know? I don’t even think so. I think his role lies because my role I think lied to me last night

I think

huh

Who’s the one you fear the most?