Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[Jackofhearts2005]

People run to the bang to see a dead body lying there.
It belongs to a guy named Mac.
There was a note attached to his head:
“There is Balance, which is why there is Chaos and Harmony.
Creation may start out Chaotic but it will eventually fade away.”
Upon the death of that man someone couldn’t take their life anymore and died of a stroke, he was Wilgy as they have failed to achieve their win con.

Mac Role Flip:

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Town FBI Agent
Each night you may check someone to see if they are a Serial Killer

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to town.

Wilgy Role Flip:

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Durable Gravedigger Advocate
Each night you may choose a role from the grave and use its ability ignoring modifiers attached to it.
If you would die, you will die at the end of the following day instead.

Win Condition: Make sure Scotty dies before you do and make sure you die before MacDougall or end game together.

Day 3 Start!
Day ends Friday at 6AM PST (Fite Me!)

Poor Wilgy.

[alexa]

btw i had a dream last night that MafiaMenace was a mafia cop

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Honestly yeah, the only thing that gets me with Paopan is that I think he came into day 2 wanting to claim Lie Detector and Scotty panic claimed Lie Detector.
Not only that, but he claimed Paopan's results which might have been posted in Mafia Chat as I've seen some hosts do that.
It's possible Scotty was planning on claimign Lie Detector and just using Paopan as a proxy for his results, but Paopan didn't read and accidentally CC'd his own partner.

This sounds important. Show me the goods.

[NotAnAxehole]

Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fuck it, i'm going with gut and actually following NAA of this for god knows why.
I just have a feeling that Ruri and/or Jack are Mafia based on Scotty's day 1 and leaning more on Jack.

This is now a WWE themed game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also um

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I'm an unyeetable player.

[LinearPoint]

MafiaMenace - Confirmed Town
Jackofhearts2005 - Random Doctor
Michelle - Insane Cop
Paopan - Lie Detector
Alexa - 1-shot Vigilante
Son of Anarch - Oracle
NAA - "Jester"

No claims from Ruri, Marmot, and Sig.

Unfortunately we don't really have anything to go off of as far as which roles could be Mafia aligned as there is justification for any of those roles to be Mafia due to Negitive Utility roles being in play as well as useless roles.
IF Michelle isn't Mafia that would confirm Alexa as Town.
Currently leaning on Jack's role being Town as Mafia already had a Negitive Utility role flip, but 2 is possible.
Oracle I have no idea other than the 2nd night result suggests SoA and JoH can't both be Mafia.

At this point claims might just be in needed from the final players.

[NotAnAxehole]

Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

Ok, I mean I'm not surprised, I was very confident it was one of you, Ruri, Sig, but I also felt like the other two had to die.

[LinearPoint]

Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

Ok, I mean I'm not surprised, I was very confident it was one of you, Ruri, Sig, but I also felt like the other two had to die.

Yeah I lost the bet. Mine was on Sig.

[alexa]

i'm voting sig because Mac died voting them, presumably to scum, and Mac dying over both cop claims is weird
that feels like a bad reason but shrug there's not much else

maybe Jack stopped kills but that seems unlikely to have happened 2x at rand.

[alexa]

probably prefer vote in sig, Marmot, Ruri
maybe wouldn't outrule SoA, i need to RR EOD1.

[alexa]

if Linear isn't lying about knowing there's a redirection role, then Michelle and MafiaMenace should both be clear as sane and insane cop FMPOV.
JoH is random doc so not killing them
i kinda don't feel like NAA is with Scotty based on both of their behavior yesterday

Pao checking NAA w/lie detect is bad but lowkey kinda towny lol.
LinearPoint feels villagery

so yeah that leaves sig, Marmot, Ruri, SoA
3 unclaimed in my POE should maybe claim at this point w/cops out?

[NotAnAxehole]

There will be no redirection roles of any kind.

I tend to believe this over LP given that we know the bastard elements refer to bastard roles... Not bastard set up or mod lies.

[NotAnAxehole]

I also find it interesting that LP picked the Ruri wagon, while I went to sig.

[NotAnAxehole]

LinearPoint is clearly lying about their role, I just don't know why.

[NotAnAxehole]

The alternative is that there's an SK, and LP is the useless role, which I also doubt.

[NotAnAxehole]

Making LinearPoint a likely 3rd party survivor.

[LinearPoint]

Truth be told I don't actually know if my role redirects or not. It's worded in a weird way in so that what would happen to my target happens to me instead.
I thought at first it was a redirect, but I actually don't think then end up visiting me for the purposes of a redirect.
Either way if I were a Survivor that'd be pretty fucked up lol.

[NotAnAxehole]

Truth be told I don't actually know if my role redirects or not. It's worded in a weird way in so that what would happen to my target happens to me instead.
I thought at first it was a redirect, but I actually don't think then end up visiting me for the purposes of a redirect.
Either way if I were a Survivor that'd be pretty fucked up lol.

Ah, so Seth can be like... it wasn't a redirect because you didn't take the effect away from the intended target, it just ALSO affects you? Oh wait... No you're saying instead... That would certainly be a redirect. You should probably clarify.

[LinearPoint]

I mean my target effectively becomes immune to them and I take what would have happened to them.
I just don't really know if technically it is a redirect as I'm not sure they actually get forced to visit me instead of their intended target.
More the effects are transferred.

[alexa]

who did you target?

[LinearPoint]

Mac N1 and Sig N2

[LinearPoint]

Like I said I thought Sig might have been a Doctor hiding.
Was going to do Alexa, but then I rememebred 1-shot Vig so they aren't useful anymore.

[alexa]

why did you target sig over like
a cop claim

[alexa]

Like I said I thought Sig might have been a Doctor hiding.
Was going to do Alexa, but then I rememebred 1-shot Vig so they aren't useful anymore.

i mean your role is essentially a bodyguard? so i'd think a cop claim is the best target

[LinearPoint]

Like I said I believed there to be a Doctor and would expect them to be on a Cop.
I didn't care for Mac's survival as SK Cop.
While yes I do effectively have some bodyguard capabilities I was correct in assuming neither Michelle or MM.
The longer Doctor is kept alive the better it is for Town.
Of course now knowing the Doctor is random I can't really afford not to protect the Cops anymore.

[LinearPoint]

It was a calculated risk and I was correct in assuming no important roles would die, so I see no harm done here.

[alexa]

alright, fair enough

[alexa]

@sig @Marmot @Ruri

hello you might be in danger today
and if you're not going to post/engage and obvtown yourselves you should probably claim

[NotAnAxehole]

ngl, mafia bodyguard kind of fits with SK meta.

[LinearPoint]

ngl, mafia bodyguard kind of fits with SK meta.

Mafia Bodyguard would just be a pointless role.
I mean SK or Vig would just get a 2 for 1 confirmed Mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

ngl, mafia bodyguard kind of fits with SK meta.

Mafia Bodyguard would just be a pointless role.
I mean SK or Vig would just get a 2 for 1 confirmed Mafia.

Point taken

[LinearPoint]

Though that really isn't saying much since Mafia has a Loyal Hammerer.

[NotAnAxehole]

I got clarification, the no redirection roles clause in the OP is specifically referring to roles that are categorized as redirection roles on Mafia Universe role list. So a bodyguard-eque role would not fit into that category.

[LinearPoint]

Yeah redirection would be physically moving the player's target to someone else and my role doesn't actually do that.

[Ruri]

@sig @Marmot @Ruri

hello you might be in danger today
and if you're not going to post/engage and obvtown yourselves you should probably claim

Reliable Cop Giver. Whatever that means. Wasn't sure what to do with it, since everyone seems to have claimed cop.

[LinearPoint]

The fuck does Reliable Cop Giver even mean?

[LinearPoint]

Does your role just make people sane cops?
If so, have you actually used your role since I haven't seen anyone claim to become Cops that didn't start as Cops.

[NotAnAxehole]

@sig @Marmot @Ruri

hello you might be in danger today
and if you're not going to post/engage and obvtown yourselves you should probably claim

Reliable Cop Giver. Whatever that means. Wasn't sure what to do with it, since everyone seems to have claimed cop.

Does this seem awkward to anyone else, or just me?

[NotAnAxehole]

Both the role and the delivery

[LinearPoint]

I mean the delivery for sure because I don’t see how you are told cop of any kind and not sure what to do with it. The role is only weird insofar as that makes what? 3 dead TIs, and now 4 living TI claims. That’s like 1/3rd the roles in this game are informative if that is true.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m so out of it this game. Are we not yeeting whatsisface for being counterclaimed by Scotty?

[Marmot]

@sig @Marmot @Ruri

hello you might be in danger today
and if you're not going to post/engage and obvtown yourselves you should probably claim

I said I'd be on tonight (and I live in west coast so that means in like 3 hours from now)

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean the delivery for sure because I don’t see how you are told cop of any kind and not sure what to do with it. The role is only weird insofar as that makes what? 3 dead TIs, and now 4 living TI claims. That’s like 1/3rd the roles in this game are informative if that is true.

Not to mention you're asked to claim because you haven't been towny, how many people just claim without offering anything else, not even debating that the person they're targetting has more reason to be scum read...

Like look at the contrast with Jackofhearts, it's more playful.

[NotAnAxehole]

I get the impression that the mafia team has resigned.

[LinearPoint]

The main thing that gets me is I'm not really certain that Reliable counts as a role modifier and is more just the role.
We were told there was only 2 roles with no modifiers and Paopan is claiming to be the 2nd role with no modifiers.

[LinearPoint]

And the host has used Sane before so using Reliable instead of Sane to describe the Cop doesn't quite seem right.

[LinearPoint]

But then I don't get why a Mafia would claim Giver Cop knowing there are 3 Cop claims, 2 dead Trackers, and a Lie Detector being claimed.
That's like asking to be lynched.