Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

#1801

I think I just realized something.
Michelle I don't think is Town.
He claimed Insane Cop with no restrictions other than Insane and now Paopan has said he has no role modifiers.
And the fact that Michelle did not even believe his red check on Alexa when Alexa claimed Vigilante.
How does a Cop not see a red check on a Vigilante as certain Mafia? Why just assume it was an insanity check? Then he checks the Mafia kill target as well?

#1802

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:23 pm i'm voting sig because Mac died voting them, presumably to scum, and Mac dying over both cop claims is weird
that feels like a bad reason but shrug there's not much else

maybe Jack stopped kills but that seems unlikely to have happened 2x at rand.

Seems like some good misdirect if you were the one to kill him.

#1803

And did anyone catch the in a chat with 4 mafia members wording? I bet we've got a mafia member without chat wandering around alone. Probably not aware of there team OR they're aware of team but team isn't aware of them.

#1804

Then on the other hand Sig says something like that and makes me think they are Mafia.

#1805

Currently feeling Michelle, Sig, and 1 of Ruri/Poapan for the Mafia team.

#1806

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:10 pm But then I don't get why a Mafia would claim Giver Cop knowing there are 3 Cop claims, 2 dead Trackers, and a Lie Detector being claimed.
That's like asking to be lynched.

Mafia players make bad claims. The issue is I don't even know what mafia should make as a fake claim in this set up given that many of the roles are confirmed in the OP, if you're mafia and you didn't rand any of the confirmed roles, you're probably feeling pretty bad about it.

#1807

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:17 pm Then on the other hand Sig says something like that and makes me think they are Mafia.

It's important to build game state.

Everyone is now assuming Survivor, Maybe SK (maybe not), and only 4 mafia with one gone. The wording immediately makes me think we have a lone mafia so I brought it up.

Also pretty sure everyone ignored my thoughts on a 2x voter for D1 so gonna look at that again. Technically wagon was tied with Scotty on SAA and MM was killed. But, if they had a 2x vote role it could work. All this to say I'd still be down for SAA vote. The issues ppl had with him D1 still are there and his claim is a bit dubious given how many other info claims are out there.

#1808

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:14 pm I think I just realized something.
Michelle I don't think is Town.
He claimed Insane Cop with no restrictions other than Insane and now Paopan has said he has no role modifiers.
And the fact that Michelle did not even believe his red check on Alexa when Alexa claimed Vigilante.
How does a Cop not see a red check on a Vigilante as certain Mafia? Why just assume it was an insanity check? Then he checks the Mafia kill target as well?

Yeah, I think the two votes on me are all but confirmed mafia because they have no world view other than NAA bad and that hasn't shifted since D1 pretty much

#1809

I thought SoA said they did a Rock, Paper, Scissors with MightyQ.

The main reason I don't like your post was because you were pretty much just throwing shade by saying there was a traitor.
While traitor is possible, I haven't really considered it to be honest and I feel like if it were the case it would have been mentioned in either the setup or Scotty's role.
The setup mentions so many specific things includign 3rd parties I don't think they would have left out Traitor.
So the post comes across to me as pointless shade or even a slip that Mafia secretly knows they have a Traitor.

#1810

@Son of Anarch did you do a rock, paper, scissors with MigthyQ at the end of day 1 or was the vote count manipulted somehow?

#1811

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine for tie meta plus cleanest wagon I guess

#1812

Vote: Marmot

#1813

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:42 pm @sig @Marmot @Ruri

hello you might be in danger today
and if you're not going to post/engage and obvtown yourselves you should probably claim
Reliable Cop Giver. Whatever that means. Wasn't sure what to do with it, since everyone seems to have claimed cop.

What does this mean
How did you use it

Website · #1814

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:42 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:42 pm @sig @Marmot @Ruri

hello you might be in danger today
and if you're not going to post/engage and obvtown yourselves you should probably claim
Reliable Cop Giver. Whatever that means. Wasn't sure what to do with it, since everyone seems to have claimed cop.
What does this mean
How did you use it

Not sure what reliable means. I can give someone cop. Didn't use it yet.

#1815

ok if ruri is saying she can give someone a cop power we should probably not yeet her

@Ruri can you give it to me? i'm green checked by one of the cops

#1816

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

#1817

Ruri says she can give somebody a cop "hasn't done it yet"

#1818

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:02 pm ok if ruri is saying she can give someone a cop power we should probably not yeet her

@Ruri can you give it to me? i'm green checked by one of the cops

That's not... True?

#1819

yes it is?

#1820

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:07 pm Ruri says she can give somebody a cop "hasn't done it yet"

yeah it's a bit weird but also it's phraze

#1821

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 pmyes it is?

Mafiamenace red checked Scotty, then checked noone.

Michelle isn't a real cop.

#1822

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 pmyes it is?
Mafiamenace red checked Scotty, then checked noone.

Michelle isn't a real cop.

yes she is. Mafia is sane cop, Michelle is insane cop

#1823

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 pmyes it is?
Mafiamenace red checked Scotty, then checked noone.

Michelle isn't a real cop.
yes she is. Mafia is sane cop, Michelle is insane cop

Insane cop is opposite or random?

Also this assumes that Michelle is town, which of course would be your line as mafia.

#1824

Like it's fine if you're like "I've been Towny" but don't claim to be cop confirmed, that's a farce.

#1825

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:37 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 pmyes it is?
Mafiamenace red checked Scotty, then checked noone.

Michelle isn't a real cop.
yes she is. Mafia is sane cop, Michelle is insane cop
Insane cop is opposite or random?

Also this assumes that Michelle is town, which of course would be your line as mafia.

Insane cop is opposite. Michelle got a mafia report on me and Mac so if she's town cop, she's confirmed insane cop

and yeah she could be mafia lying - i townread her and thought it was confirmed an insane cop existed in this setup which would ~never be mafia
tbh i don't think she makes up being insane cop anyway and think she's clear town
but yes my alignment/being clear is contingent on hers

#1826

and Michelle really has no reason to clear me as mafia after pushing me d1
shrugz

#1827

Insane Cop just gets the inverted results.
Paranoid would be always Mafia, Nieve would be always Town and Random is just random.

#1828

Reliable from what I could find means that they will always get the true result even if something like Framer is involved.

#1829

*shrug* I would 100% kill Ruri here

#1830

Honestly I see no reason not to use that ability night 1 on the person you most town read.
Even if they are Mafia, they are forced into giving the Cop results since they cannot lie about having received it without being caught.

#1831

yeah no i feel that it's weird AF

@Ruri is this unlimited or limited shots?

#1832

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:47 pm Honestly I see no reason not to use that ability night 1 on the person you most town read.
Even if they are Mafia, they are forced into giving the Cop results since they cannot lie about having received it without being caught.

There's no reason, at this point in the game you have no guarantee that your ability would even have an opportunity to see the light of day, not using it both N1 and N2 is simply inexcusable because you have to consider a 2 night delay before you can actually make use of it, so if you wait till night 3, you can't possibly get a result till day 5 assuming you and your target both live.

#1833

At best Ruri can use their ability to kill someone by declaring who they gave it to the previous night, if mafia is afraid of the potential 1v1, they'll just kill that person in the night.

#1834

Why is it every cop in this game is afraid of using their ability when the Vigilante shot someone night 1.
This feels so backwards from what I would consider normal logic.

#1835

[VOTE: RURI] aubergine

#1836

But yeah, the non-use of the ability for me is just too incriminating to overlook.

#1837

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:51 pm Why is it every cop in this game is afraid of using their ability when the Vigilante shot someone night 1.
This feels so backwards from what I would consider normal logic.

mood
this is probably why i had a weird dream mafiamenace was mafia lols

#1838

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:51 pm Why is it every cop in this game is afraid of using their ability when the Vigilante shot someone night 1.
This feels so backwards from what I would consider normal logic.

Because not all of them are town...why even some of them didn't use their ability (or use correctly) is beyond me.

#1839

Like, 1 person fucks up can be accidental right, 4 people fucking up multiple times for some is... Suspect.

#1840

I'm just thinking that they cannot all possibly be Mafia.
I refuse to believe all Mafia claim to be not only informative roles, but not very good at choosing useful checks.

#1841

At what point do we just draw the line and off all the informative roles for incommpitance?

#1842

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:56 pm At what point do we just draw the line and off all the informative roles for incommpitance?

im literally baffled by pao checking a confirmed dead town role

#1843

this is only my second game on TS tho so im just assuming a lot of newbies lmfao

#1844

This transcends newbish honestly. This is a whole new level I have never seen before.
At least 1 or 2 of them have to be Mafia because even 6 TI roles seems very excessive for a game of this size.

#1845

i do not regret not using my ability in the slightest
there was no one that necessary for me to check

#1846

ya but you could die then we have no more checks???

esp when we now know it's literally a random doctor

#1847

with my limited shots rather than randomly checking someone i want to use it on those with ambiguous alignments that the town is split on readswise

#1848

also wdym "no one is necessary for me to check" ur literally a cop u just check whoever lmao

#1849

At this point I'm more just hoping that they are lying and didn't think that Cop Giver would be a useful role to have early on.
And all I can say to Paopon is if you are not lying, you should probably read the thread in your next games, at least check who is dead.

#1850

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:04 am ya but you could die then we have no more checks???

esp when we now know it's literally a random doctor

i highly doubt that of all the tis i would be the one attacked

Who’s the one you fear the most?