yes I agree that sequence was extremely towny for me, though it wasn't that I thought my townreads were scum, it was that I was about to scumread all my townreads.
anyway your list owns I'm fully sheeping your worldview
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yes I agree that sequence was extremely towny for me, though it wasn't that I thought my townreads were scum, it was that I was about to scumread all my townreads.
my memory could be wrong but i think the only time ive outright misread you is in just robbed a bank mafia (which Doesn't Count), but i'm not claiming to have a godread on you or anything - i just think that i "get" your playstyle more than some others doNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:48 am I didn't take it as an insult to my play at all, I just don't think she's actually that much above rand at reading me lol
I don't feel this is an important discussion point tbh, and I have zero problem with sheeped reads in general
i'm p sure it is considering ilario mentioned talking in a chat and they share a vote (their slot is ilario/leetic in the poll) fwiw
i think this thought is kinda townyleetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:52 amNeither me nor ilario had mentioned anything about a Hydra and instead I described it as a weird Mason/Double voter combo. I find this interesting because describing it as a Hydra is exactly how the host described it in BTSC, which makes me think this is potential TMI
this post solidified my townread on illario (therefore i get to feel comfortable about leetic), because i just barely got him to join this game because he didn't want to play with NAA and the whole sentiment was just extremely villagery from himilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 amBelieve me, I was. But I held back because I wanted to conserve posts and because I was suspicious of your early tr on me in the last two turbos we played, so I ignored it and figured maybe your confidence in getting me right so early in those games carried over to how you’re reading me here.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 am the fact that illario was not immediately suspicious of the fact that he is one of my strongest townreads is probably the scummiest thing about him so far, but i refuse to expect our meta dynamic to play out in the exact same way every game. i'm going to #BreakTheCycle
Also to make sure this isn’t a total waste of a post I’m gonna post something now that I didn’t intend to plan on posting so early for thread health reasons but I may as well make this post count.
If town can’t find a elim we all agree on today we don’t shrugyeet a low poster, we yeet NAA. If there’s a vig in this setup and you’re unsure who to shoot, you shoot NAA. To explain why, I played one game with him and in that game:
-he antagonized the entire lobby
-shut down the town leaders due to his own personal reasons that weren’t game related
-forced a poe on everyone to follow that had 90% town in it
- refuses to explain a single read in his horrible poe
- scumread people for trying to question that terrible poe
- tried to speed up days by getting town speedyeeted for no reason
- after he finished doing all that he cemented his game throwing ways by self voting in lylo and letting mafia blitz him.
I thought maybe he was just having a bad time outside of the game and maybe that translated into his play that game and that was a one off for him bad game for him But I get a sinking feeling that’s not the case. Essentially what I’m saying is idc about his alignment, it’s always +ev to get rid of him if he refuses to work with the lobby before he gets a chance to hold the thread hostage like he did last time and I STRONGLY encourage any vig to shoot him because of it.
Mac vs NAA vs other candidates for the d1?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:37 pm honestly, trying to catch up with this thread is not productive for me right now at all. my brain is too tired
who wants to chat about reads?
I want to chat about how gay I amstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:37 pm honestly, trying to catch up with this thread is not productive for me right now at all. my brain is too tired
who wants to chat about reads?
cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pmbecause i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.
your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac
i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
i really dont like the specific reasoning that marmot uses to POE me here (because why is it wolfy for my reads to be hedgy on page 8? why is it wolfy for one of my posts to be addressed to the rest of the thread? it feels like marmot is making surface-level observations and then basing his reads around them instead of digging deeper), but i don't know if that specific reasoning is actually wolf-indicative for him? i recall that marmot came off as pretty tonally uncomfortable in the wolfgame i recently saw from him, and i think his demeanor in this game is significantly more relaxed and ~open~. i feel like i have good ~vibe~ based reasons to townread marmot, but his actual hunting gives me pauseMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:08 pm Hypertown
Marmot - Town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Despite what he said, I think he's offered more reads this game than he generally does Day 1 (and a lot more fluff). My meta read is that he's more calculated as scum in the reads that he states. He seems well outside of that meta rn.
cassandra - This feels like an easy read. I've played with alexa once (though I don't remember much about her there), but I'm seeing a lot of extended back-and-forths here, and a number of reads that are being adjusted as the game progresses in a believable way. Feels town.
Hypotown
NotAnAxehole - I'm putting him as light townread mainly from deferring to everyone else's townread of him.
MacDougall - I think his play so far is easy to replicate as either alignment, but I don't see any malice in it. This is mainly a vibe read.
Lime Coke - He seems fine. This feels like a lazy read. I dunno, he's like, posting some takes and also being honest about not posting at times. I like those things. His vote for NAA was pretty lazy. I dislike that. Overall I will still put him in a townlean.
nutella - I had an earlier gutread as town of nutella. It's waned a little bit though. All of her initial scumreads have turned into townreads (JJJ, Nanook, cass, spf), and not necessarily for great reasons. It bothers me a little bit, but also this is extremely counter-producitve as scum, so she's probably just town.
anne - This is a harder read. On one hand, I found her continued efforts to describe themselves as town a little over the top, but it's probably enough so that it might just be a townie thing. Also she has pushed a few buttons in ways that look mildly townie, and she's been fairly transparent with her overall thought process.
Master Radishes - Not much content to read, and yet I mildly read him town for his confidence.
POE
Dyslexicon - His recent entrance is uninvested, which means he cares about his sleep. His takes aren't inspiring. I anticipate he'll engage more, but he's POE for now.
JaggedJimmyJay - He still exists in the POE. He seems to be trying to engage the way he does. But again, his early contributions to the game looked stiff. He seems a little slow in responding and engaging with players. He did offer to take a step back and let other players do stuff, albeit after he received some pressure.
staypositivefriend - I didn't care for spf's "Oh I gave a read on every player, yay me" post. It seemed a little performative. Many of her reads were hedges.
iaafr - Posting lists of people that are possible scumteams? I don't get it. Also, there's this sequence of posts from him #1, #2 where he scumreads me, votes for me, then calls a take that I made a good one. I dunno. His reason for scumreading me is that many of my takes matched those that others had already made, and then he backed off when I had an original take that matched one of his scumreads. It's uh, I feel a little convenient. If iaafr is scum, I think this spews ilario/leetic as probably town.
ilario / leetic - leetic's reads read to me as kinda vanilla, and much of his contribution is centered more around mech approach than player reads. I don't like his interaction with NAA. I generally feel better from reading ilario's posts, but he's also pushed NAA in a way I feel slightly icky about.
DrWilgy - Basically no content
falcon45ca - Literally no content
Sloonei - Literally no content
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
they also share a chat and are confirmed town to each otherMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmDid they describe it in some other capacity?cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pmbecause i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.
your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac
i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.
My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?
I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:39 pm i really dont like the specific reasoning that marmot uses to POE me here (because why is it wolfy for my reads to be hedgy on page 8? why is it wolfy for one of my posts to be addressed to the rest of the thread? it feels like marmot is making surface-level observations and then basing his reads around them instead of digging deeper), but i don't know if that specific reasoning is actually wolf-indicative for him? i recall that marmot came off as pretty tonally uncomfortable in the wolfgame i recently saw from him, and i think his demeanor in this game is significantly more relaxed and ~open~. i feel like i have good ~vibe~ based reasons to townread marmot, but his actual hunting gives me pause
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pmthey also share a chat and are confirmed town to each otherMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmDid they describe it in some other capacity?cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pmbecause i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.
your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac
i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.
My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?
I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
i think that mac is struggling to get his head into the game (regardless of his alignment), and that if he is town, he'll probably kick into gear soon and start making himself more obvious. i've been in multiple games lately where mac has a scummy d1 for the first half of the dayphase and then suddenly kicks into overdrive mode in the latter half, and if mac is town, it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happens here. mac feels like one of those names that people act like theyre willing to chop throughout d1, but i would be pretty surprised if the day actually ends with him dying. that said, if mac's posts don't improve by the end of the day then im probably fine with killing himiaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmMac vs NAA vs other candidates for the d1?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:37 pm honestly, trying to catch up with this thread is not productive for me right now at all. my brain is too tired
who wants to chat about reads?
lmao whatMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pmcassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pmthey also share a chat and are confirmed town to each otherMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmDid they describe it in some other capacity?cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pmbecause i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.
your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac
i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.
My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?
I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim
Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?
Is this TMI?
[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine
I think we all are.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:48 pm [VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine
Tell me no one else is thinking this in the back of their mind
We just mindmelding againDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:50 pmI think we all are.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:48 pm [VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine
Tell me no one else is thinking this in the back of their mind
Even I was tempted to recheck my role, no joke
best post of the game so far
it depends - i think that there's a difference between wolf hedginess and town hedginess, but hedginess in the early game is typically not alignment indicative in general. you were right to say that some of my reads were hedgy, but it would be more weird if my reads weren't hedgy less than like ~3 hours into the game. sometimes you just need more information to figure people out, and i'm not gonna force myself to come to stances unnaturallyMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:45 pmstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:39 pm i really dont like the specific reasoning that marmot uses to POE me here (because why is it wolfy for my reads to be hedgy on page 8? why is it wolfy for one of my posts to be addressed to the rest of the thread? it feels like marmot is making surface-level observations and then basing his reads around them instead of digging deeper), but i don't know if that specific reasoning is actually wolf-indicative for him? i recall that marmot came off as pretty tonally uncomfortable in the wolfgame i recently saw from him, and i think his demeanor in this game is significantly more relaxed and ~open~. i feel like i have good ~vibe~ based reasons to townread marmot, but his actual hunting gives me pause
Do you think town players are more likely to make hedgey reads than scum players?
I am not a good mafia player, so I'd also encourage you not to confuse me with good mafia players.
cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:49 pmlmao whatMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pmcassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pmthey also share a chat and are confirmed town to each otherMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmDid they describe it in some other capacity?cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pmbecause i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.
your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac
i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.
My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?
I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim
Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?
Is this TMI?
[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine
that's literally what a mason is and they've claimed to be confirmed town to each other. so either they're not lying and town or they made the claim as mafia, and i explained why i didn't think they'd do that as mafia in that same post
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
i am also incredibly gay. it sounds like we have a lot in common!Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmI want to chat about how gay I amstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:37 pm honestly, trying to catch up with this thread is not productive for me right now at all. my brain is too tired
who wants to chat about reads?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
you should actually read the things i'm typing probablyMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:54 pmcassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:49 pmlmao whatMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 pmcassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:43 pmthey also share a chat and are confirmed town to each otherMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:38 pmDid they describe it in some other capacity?cassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:39 pmbecause i townread illario a lot at this point and i believe the mason claim - weakened masons (pretty much?) the way they described it makes sense to me based on my role too and i think that's a town role, there's 0 reason to immediately claim masons with someone as mafia and it's not bastard. i also had leertic as towny earlier but i feel more comfortable reading illario.
your POE post doesn't seem bad to me, i'd just swap illario/leertic with Mac
i want Sloonei's take on Jay tbh.
My understanding is that they are, as is visible, two players who share a post count, have two separate votes, but otherwise count as one slot. Is there more to it than that?
I don't think any of that is specifically town on its own. And also, as far as we know, role powers are not AI.
they're basically weakened masons
i know roles aren't AI, i just think that'd be a weird scum role. because if one dies and flips scum, it'd confirm the other as scum, and idk i just don't think wolf!illario plays it like that right off the bat. i also townread his posting outside of the claim
Uh, how are they confirmed town to each other? Aren't they just confirmed the same alignment to each other?
Is this TMI?
[VOTE: cassandra] aubergine
that's literally what a mason is and they've claimed to be confirmed town to each other. so either they're not lying and town or they made the claim as mafia, and i explained why i didn't think they'd do that as mafia in that same post
It's not really a claim they can avoid. They're listed in the same slot in the poll and they (presumably) share a post count. People are going to ask, and we could probably infer all of that without a claim anyway.
I get if you TR them for other reasons, I just don't think taking them as mod-confirmed town is a good way to go about it in this game.
i mean if they're mafia then they are iikely to claim to be confirmed town to each other, so from outside perspective that's what they're claiming
can you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him more
dont really like this post from anne but at least part of it is an OMGUSanne wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:48 pm my vote was a meme at first but i think im fine keeping it here for now
also i think scumreading iaafr for putting together a random scum team just isn't really a good reason. i do that all the time too and ive discussed enough mafia with iaafr to know that's just kinda how he is irt to cred-grabbing. i'm sure there's other reasoning for it, but that was one reason that stuck out to me as not Amazing
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
fwiw i thought that marmot's initial reasoning to scumread you was among some of the towniest stuff that he's posted, because he pinpointed a specific observation about you that i hadnt found a way to put into words yet, which indicates to me that marmot was putting genuine thought into his read on you. i thought the way that he treated you from there came off as a bit binary/maybe a bit too focused on keeping you in his POE, thoughJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:59 pm I'm a bit torn on the rodent from the PNW. Holistically, I think his posts look fine -- his hunt seems to be organized in a way that recalls some of his other recent town efforts reasonably well. Conversely I sensed some opportunism in his treatment of me (e.g. suggesting I changed my approach somehow after pressure). I grant there's personal bias in that. It'd help to get someone else's perspective about Marmot's view of me.
fwiw i have a habit of making pushes on unchoppable players when im a wolf because it usually makes people townread me (ie: me pushing on you in MCM, me pushing on amrock in the 16/8er), so i dont really think this is a solid reason to townread mecassandra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:02 pm i feel like SPF wouldn't push on nutella off the bat as scum/town because she'd be aware nutella isn't MLable. though as i say that i remember that she did the "push to pocket" approach to me before so i'm a bit more shrug about it but i still kinda gut townread that. also i liked her saying something pinged her from me but she ignored it
Marmot's description was decent, yeah. i dunno. he's not playing in the way i'd expect him to as town, but my track record of reading people based on that premise is pretty low. i just don't see him really putting the same energy into developing reads/creating a consensus and such as usual. his explanation about it being about the game VS. player base is reasonable, and he's probably more in null territory for me aorn. i'd love to have our first V/V game together and i'd be sad if it was spent by me being suspicious of him the whole game so i kind of just want to see how he plays out?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:01 pmcan you talk about your read on JJJ a bit more? i know youve mentioned that you felt that he has been "off" in some way (and i actually think that marmot nailed the description of why it might feel that way, because it is true that JJJ is focused more on posting individual observations than he is on dialoguing directly with other players), but im not sure if him being "off" is a reason to wolfread him within itself. im having a hard time getting a grasp on JJJ in this game in general, so i wanna talk about him more
saying they're confirmed the same alignment to each other or they're confirmed town to each other is literally the same exact thing fmpov, because obviously mafia is going to claim to be town. like it's literally just linguistics. and "they're mod confirmed town" =/= "confirmed town to each other." i like to look at it this way (confirmed town to each other rather than confirmed the same alignment to each other) because it means if i feel confident that one is town then i can feel confident the other is and it helps me with my POE, but i'm not saying they shouldn't be scrutinized - just that they shouldn't be scrutinized on an individual basis.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:06 pm Leetic/ilario would presumably die at the same time right? Like one of them couldn't be yeeted while the other lives, nor could one be nightkilled while the other lives?
They're a hydra that can post and vote separately. They are the same slot. They are not masons who occupy separate slots. That's how I'm viewing the leetic/ilario thing.
I just don't think it's a good idea to automatically take that as a town role. I think the selection of the wording "They are confirmed town to each other" is incorrect, because while they are probably the same alignment, they are not inherently town.
I get that it would be weird for scum to have a scum chat, and then have a separate chat for the two players that have the same slot. But that take is dangerous, because it's making the read that the mod essentially cleared the slot town on setup. That's what I mean by the mod-confirmed town statement.