Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[nutella]

w/w wagons are more common than ppl think

[Marmot]

your face is a w/w wagon

[falcon45ca]

I still think anne's wagon is weird because it was a counter wagon to Jay yesterday, and nutella is the only person who voted it both yesterday and is voting for it right now.

Also, 3 of the 5 people voting for anne right now either didn't vote yesterday (Dizzy, Sloonsooa) or voted a vanity wagon (iaafr).


Two of the people voting for anne yesterday are dead: Jay and MR

@falcon45ca @DrWilgy why aren't you voting for anne today?

It's still a viable option for me

[falcon45ca]

How many hours til EOD? I'll likely be around

[Marmot]

How many hours til EOD? I'll likely be around

3.5ish hours (2.5 hours until everyone can talk again)

[nutella]

the calm before the storm...

[falcon45ca]

the calm before the storm...

Can ya feel it?



Nut, real talk...who's your remaining scum? The whole damn team, with 1 short blurb why

[MacDougall]

i see staypoopingfriend is back voting on me again lol

[nutella]

uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

[Marmot]

the calm before the storm...

Forecast says cloudy and wet with a chance of flashwagoning.

[Marmot]

uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Why does it feel lame? I think I know why you're saying that, I just wanna hear your explanation.

Also why are you torn on esooa?

[MacDougall]

[Marmot]

Mac, I'll race you to post cap.

[Marmot]

How close are you?

[Marmot]

203? And 205 is your cap? Damn you're close.

[Marmot]

257 is my cap, see y'all in final hour.

[MacDougall]

ah lame you beat me

[Esooa]

this EoD is really really bad for me, when I'm walking home and it's usually too cold to use my phone or my hands freeze lol, but I'll see what I can do

[Lime Coke]

I only have 3 posts until post cap and doesn't look like anything is going to be done so might as well use them up.

[nutella]

final post until the last hour as a follow up thought:

i got bad vibes from marmot d1, then after a lot of people just accepted him as supertown i started to default him to town but i'm going back to thinking that's not really warranted and a lot of his play is performative/fakeable imo. dizzy who i townread and who is known for accurate vibe reads had bad vibes on him today too. and on top of all that, not that i want to weigh mech much, but i do just have a bad feeling about how he's presented the thing about his role having town and mafia conditions included in his role card. i'm curious if anyone else has a role with that kind of stipulation and it feels kinda weird that he wouldn't just receive whichever one he randed instead of an explanation of both -- it really strikes me as something that could actually be there as a safeclaim for mafia and that it just makes more sense if he's mafia and has that information to bolster his claim or like "mafia wouldn't claim it like this" wifom... idk maybe it's far enough in that direction that it's more likely just real, i could be totally off base but it just felt a bit slimey to me. occam's razor he's still town but i'd say he's on the fringes of my poe

uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Why does it feel lame? I think I know why you're saying that, I just wanna hear your explanation.

Also why are you torn on esooa?

they just feel like the lhf/"easy answer" but sometimes scum teams just really are the "easy answer", i just have the "there's a deepwolf" tingley spidey sense from the threadstate or whatever. on the other hand i'm feeling better about some townreads and hoping we can just straight poe it

esooa i just really dont know how to read and have seen stuff that seems townie and rabbit townreads her but theres also stuff thats pinged me and like her long wall post of reads felt like a lot of words saying ultimately barely anything

ending with a full list
town:
falcon
illeetic
iaafr
lime coke
cassandra
dyslexicon

conflicted:
mac
esooa
marmot
spf

lean wolf:
drwilgy
naa
anne

i feel a little weird tossing wilgy this low again for some reason but i still think the shot wasnt good and hes also tagging onto bad pushes of me without really evaluating on his own

[Lime Coke]

annnnnnd

[falcon45ca]

this EoD is really really bad for me, when I'm walking home and it's usually too cold to use my phone or my hands freeze lol, but I'll see what I can do

If it's too cold to use your phone, just borrow a stranger's.




By force

[DrWilgy]

@nutella it's either you or Iaafr and I don't think it's Iaafr. JJJ had very weird lines wrapped around you two.

[Lime Coke]

[Esooa]

final post until the last hour as a follow up thought:

i got bad vibes from marmot d1, then after a lot of people just accepted him as supertown i started to default him to town but i'm going back to thinking that's not really warranted and a lot of his play is performative/fakeable imo. dizzy who i townread and who is known for accurate vibe reads had bad vibes on him today too. and on top of all that, not that i want to weigh mech much, but i do just have a bad feeling about how he's presented the thing about his role having town and mafia conditions included in his role card. i'm curious if anyone else has a role with that kind of stipulation and it feels kinda weird that he wouldn't just receive whichever one he randed instead of an explanation of both -- it really strikes me as something that could actually be there as a safeclaim for mafia and that it just makes more sense if he's mafia and has that information to bolster his claim or like "mafia wouldn't claim it like this" wifom... idk maybe it's far enough in that direction that it's more likely just real, i could be totally off base but it just felt a bit slimey to me. occam's razor he's still town but i'd say he's on the fringes of my poe

uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Why does it feel lame? I think I know why you're saying that, I just wanna hear your explanation.

Also why are you torn on esooa?

they just feel like the lhf/"easy answer" but sometimes scum teams just really are the "easy answer", i just have the "there's a deepwolf" tingley spidey sense from the threadstate or whatever. on the other hand i'm feeling better about some townreads and hoping we can just straight poe it

esooa i just really dont know how to read and have seen stuff that seems townie and rabbit townreads her but theres also stuff thats pinged me and like her long wall post of reads felt like a lot of words saying ultimately barely anything

ending with a full list
town:
falcon
illeetic
iaafr
lime coke
cassandra
dyslexicon

conflicted:
mac
esooa
marmot
spf

lean wolf:
drwilgy
naa
anne

i feel a little weird tossing wilgy this low again for some reason but i still think the shot wasnt good and hes also tagging onto bad pushes of me without really evaluating on his own

I mean irt my wall post

I only posted that at all cause if necessity cause fk post cap

[falcon45ca]

@nutella it's either you or Iaafr and I don't think it's Iaafr. JJJ had very weird lines wrapped around you two.

Hit me up with these lines you speak of.



I'm undecided on Nut

[leetic]

Since ilario hasn't shown up yet, I'll just hit postcap to get a couple things out of the way before EoD

okay so, i snapvoted esooa because i read the bottom paragraph of her wallpost and i thought that her positioning looked explicitly like she was trying to wolfside and flip the POE (by having me/marmot as her top 2 foses when i think that marmot is probably just town, and by having dizzy as her third fos when i think dizzy could be town too)

now that ive actually read the wallpost, i think the reasoning is mostly fine and there's some parts of it that i find towny (like her reasoning to tr falcon). her reasoning to wolfread me feels really nitpicky and weak though - like it's obvious that i was saying that the content of drwilgy's posts wasn't AI for him but that his posts still reflected a scum mindset, and i feel like she really had to stretch and misinterpret my posts to frame them in the way that she did. i also dont like that she didnt include any reasons to townread me when i would kind of expect esooa to pick up on some of my towntells as town. i guess the headline is that i overreacted by immediately voting esooa but i think that her current list of scumreads is probably wolf-sided regardless of her alignment

Okay--how exactly does like

His posts reflecting a scum mindset not mean the posts are wolf AI

And regardless of all that were you not still wanting to vote him? Because like, you were as far as I know

irt not posting anything for why you're town

I'm not really pushing my reads that much and worded the ending explicitly as who I want to look into more for a reason

Not specifically because I'm town reading you much but more so because I mean

I basically expect exactly these kinds of responses when disagreeing with any kinda consensus in this lobby

I don't really agree that your response to pressure was that towny though, like, individually towny posts in terms of mindset are what made me shift my read off you in the vigi 10er, and I also noted that game you omgus'd by going like "I'm so obvious town" and town read it there, so don't rly agree there

and besides that the post is 2700 words. I cared more by then to get my current opinions out rather than all my thoughts

I think your entrance was probably towny, in that your entrance reads were reasonable+good in volume, and the uwu stuff was probably slightly towny, etc

Regardless I'm most interested in your opinion on the game state in general

And also too the idea that my reads list is wolf-sided, tbh

Alexa's reasons for wolf reading Anne, the top wagon today and for most of today to my recollection, are "nothing that pingy but she isn't explicitly town yet,"

Does that really sound like reasons to kill Anne to you? Or reasons for her to just be there wagoned all day?

I know there are others, but nothing really that inspiring either imo

And in terms of it being wolf-sided

Who are the wolves?

Like, when Alexa posted "I'm just gonna say all of Dizzy SPF Marmot are town and not actually talk about anything cause why not," I looked at the playerlist and assumed they're all town

Who are the wolves?

They're not exactly that easy to find

I think a lot of the consensus towns are town for decent reasons and if you remove the 3 named above, you're already basically out of names

Like c'mon lol

This isn't alignment related but the way this post is formatted makes it difficult for people like me who have ADHD to read it, and I'd appreciate if you can format your posts in a more concise manner

leetic's not a hero for being pedantic about details that deliberately miss the nuance of the point entirely and refusing to understand why anyone's perspective goes beind level 1 lol its pretty fucking annoying to play with

If I have a level one perspective on the anne wagon, then you have a level zero one. Like seriously, the only reason you say you are voting anne is because the EoD wagons might be w/w without any indication that this is the case and also ignoring that anne was only competing against JJJ for the last ten minutes of the day, previously Wilgy and Axehole were the other options

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

[DrWilgy]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

[DrWilgy]

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Post caps are now lifted. See y’all just around midnight.

[NotAnAxehole]

IM NOT READY

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

Agreed

[Lime Coke]

Leetic is a damn hero.

[leetic]

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

If you think anne is a miss, it would be very wise to speak up since she has the most votes. That's not a waste of effort.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[ilario]

alexa how sure are you on anne?

[cassandra]

OMG YES

[nutella]

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

hey for once i agree with leetic on something

[cassandra]

ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

[leetic]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

I'm not certain that it can't be t/t, but JJJ's posts do lead me to believe that nutella and iaafr aren't w/w otherwise he wouldn't link them.

[nutella]

@falcon45ca This shit

I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

Agreed

nah thats a meaningless read, jay has prior reference for the unique dynamic iaafr and i have and would make that comment knowing we're both v

[ilario]

ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

same, thats why i askjed nutella about him yesterday...somethjing between them two feels off, i dont think its pure like not v/v imo

[cassandra]

i didn't get through his full iso yet but i think he may be maf and like a shadow of his town self this game

[falcon45ca]

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

If you think anne is a miss, it would be very wise to speak up since she has the most votes. That's not a waste of effort.

....odd

[staypositivefriend]

i didn't get through his full iso yet but i think he may be maf and like a shadow of his town self this game

i had the thought earlier of: "if there's a deepwolf in my townreads then it's probably iaafr" but i havent explored the thought much beyond that yet

[cassandra]

ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

same, thats why i askjed nutella about him yesterday...somethjing between them two feels off, i dont think its pure like not v/v imo

oh nice

ok im trying to find the doc i wrote up some thoughts on him 1 sec

[nutella]

ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

lol fuckin hell

as soon as i feel confident in rolling with my towncore for now you stir up these thoughts that yes i have had at a couple points

he does demonstrably know how to pocket me

but nah

[leetic]

ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

He's one of my less confident townreads, but I'd rather flip nutella

[anne]

unvote or whateva

[anne]

thats me declaring ive unvoted btw

ive decided nutella is town because i said so