nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:33 pm
i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game
this echoes how im feeling about dizzy
i mean he made a lot of good reads that echo my own but
it slightly bothered me how a lot of his takes were nearly identical to ones that id posted in the thread but he never quoted my identical takes (i might gather up examples later)
and mmmmmmmmmm idk maybe i bought the self meta harder than i shouldve
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm
Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason
i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm
I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"
I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm
well i'm not a hit
when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe
Who's in your primary poe?
esooa/wilgy pretty much
i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm
Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason
i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm
I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"
I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm
well i'm not a hit
when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe
Who's in your primary poe?
esooa/wilgy pretty much
i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today
Do you see any interactions between the two that could come from partners?
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:33 pm
i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game
this echoes how im feeling about dizzy
i mean he made a lot of good reads that echo my own but
it slightly bothered me how a lot of his takes were nearly identical to ones that id posted in the thread but he never quoted my identical takes (i might gather up examples later)
and mmmmmmmmmm idk maybe i bought the self meta harder than i shouldve
problem with mac cred is he was eminently bussable due to his doomed-by-mech situation
big part of the reason esooa's my top scumread now is
she like bent over backwards to townread mac for unique reasons when
that's kind of what she tends to do with partners as wolf in general (bussable phraze-level teammate caveat)
like the fact that she turned on mac and townsided for the vote wasnt that great a look? its kinda what she had to do to have any win equity as a wolf so i dont think she gets cred for it?
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm
Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason
i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm
I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"
I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm
well i'm not a hit
when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe
Who's in your primary poe?
esooa/wilgy pretty much
i think esooa if wolf was deliberately defending me/tying us together, and had a lot of wordy posts that didn't actually have a point, i feel like i tend to find her more coherent and pointed as town. we now also know that naa's push on her yesterday was genuine and he seemed really confident that her posts don't come from town. so i'm comfortable voting there today
Do you see any interactions between the two that could come from partners?
esooa/wilgy? not specifically off the top of my head idt but we just need to find one today so interactions with flipped wolves are more helpful, and i do think esooa's progression on mac was sketchy
Given the dire state for the wolf team at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the two remaining wolves bus each other. Don't fall for it if that happens.
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:37 pm
problem with mac cred is he was eminently bussable due to his doomed-by-mech situation
big part of the reason esooa's my top scumread now is
she like bent over backwards to townread mac for unique reasons when
that's kind of what she tends to do with partners as wolf in general (bussable phraze-level teammate caveat)
like the fact that she turned on mac and townsided for the vote wasnt that great a look? its kinda what she had to do to have any win equity as a wolf so i dont think she gets cred for it?
Mac and esooa were members of a 2-party scum team in Fallout 2 Mafia, but esooa was killed Night 1, so that game probably isn't very useful for meta
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm
@falcon45ca This shit
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm
I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.
iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on
And this shit
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am
nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.
Anyway I like their cooperative vibe
Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.
If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:41 pm
Given the dire state for the wolf team at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the two remaining wolves bus each other. Don't fall for it if that happens.
They both had to watch JJJ and Mac get chopped in un-unanimous fashion, so we have interactions with them to work with in our favor.
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:11 am
I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao
i was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway
he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo
if anything this page looks better for nutella than it does for me
also i think nutellas reactions to esooaposting near sod2 should unalign her from esooa
i still think occams razors worlds are like esooa/wilgy or esooa/anne
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:55 pm
Mac's interactions were basically "I townread people who townread me and I scumread people who scumread me" so trying to decipher that shit is rough.
Similar to Jay, I think reading how legitimately people pushed/scumread him is easier, given his clout provides a bit of a barrier
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered clear for his claim? i feel like i missed something
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:55 pm
Mac's interactions were basically "I townread people who townread me and I scumread people who scumread me" so trying to decipher that shit is rough.
Similar to Jay, I think reading how legitimately people pushed/scumread him is easier, given his clout provides a bit of a barrier
Yeah that makes sense, I'll have to get to it when I have free time.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered clear for his claim? i feel like i missed something
fixed
loyal dayvig confirms that i am the same alignment as my target
you are free to tinfoil me as another role entirely with a public claimed vig that i used on naa of all people as scum, however
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
I'll leave that to leetic, I'm not entirely sure either.
Claims on their own shouldn't be clearing. Heck, nutella still thinks I have a chance at being scum, despite claiming to break the tie to chop mac
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.
Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:07 pm
Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there
It'd be one thing if it happened once but Anne was twice the CW to flipped scum
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:07 pm
Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there
It'd be one thing if it happened once but Anne was twice the CW to flipped scum
the Jay vote is honestly my biggest hesitation, nothing else about those wagon comps suggest to me her wagon had any scum agenda
also her eod2 posting is still something I find individually villagery
I still flip her before nutella if I could have it my way though
anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD
Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:16 pm
Updated trustfall:
anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD
Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall
the fact that you think I haven't is why your reads are so bad bro
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something
P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.
okay thanks for explaining, im fine w/rolling with that and i think he's probably town anyway
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.