I have never claimed my ISO to be "great". But it is towny. My ISO has been "great" plenty of times, and many of those times, I've been mafia. You would love my ISO in my last games here were I've randed mafia. Having a "great" ISO when you have TMI on the game is easy. I, however, do not have TMI, I have barely known what's going on a lot of the time (Yes, this is my fault - but it is a relevant piece context here). I'm doing my best. I don't find it easy to make up my mind or have confidence in myself in this game about everything.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:08 pmlook, I'm going after Esooa and nutella before you, but you have to admit your ISO isn't great. Most of your Mac interactions are over mechanical stuff rather than anything else and you eventually stepped off of your suspicion. You have yet to vote a flipped wolf when many others have and your D1 vote was scummy. Being too busy to have a major presence does not really give you a townread. Now, there are a couple things that look good for you, like Mac being on you as a vanity wagon (which he also did to flipped town Axehole) and maybe not being sure of a four person team suggests a lack of TMI, but it could be faked as I had already read Axehole as town for a similar reason. Regardless, I suggest you cooperate with me, and keep in mind I do not find self-meta reasons to be convincing in the slightest.
iaafr is cleared town. LC is obvious town. Marmot is obvious town. We can argue about anne, but considering JJJ didn't take the opportunity to go after Axehole at EoD she's obvious town. That narrows it down to five. spf voted both wolves, but both were relatively softcore - she's likely town, but I have seen scum who can put in a similar amount of effort, but still she could have easily taken down anne so I am inclined to townread her. Next is Wilgy, did have a vote on Mac but not too much else that is necessarily clearing, with the main point in his favor being apparent lack of compatibility with much of the PoE. Next is you, which I've already explained, and at the bottom is nutella and Esooa. nutella was off the scum wagon both times, very tunnelly in a push to a wagon that was twice the CW to scum, defended two wolves, showed a lot of hedginess especially with both posts at EoD, and overall has been promoting tinfoil seemingly to disrupt the town. Esooa... well, just look at her posts this phase, but self voting, lack of apparent effort, going after poor targets, and just excessive OMGUS all look bad for her. The bottom two seem to be at each other's throats, but I would expect scum to bus at this point, and then there's nutella's possible TMI over this pairing. I think it makes a lot of sense and would vote between the two, but if you think I'm wrong, you should suggest an alternative that makes sense. I don't want assertions that something might have happened, I want evidence that it did happen.
I still don't understand how iaafr is cleared town. What if he's a day vig and he just claimed to be a kind that can only shoot someone of same alignment? What if he just lied?
I agree that Marmot and Lime is town.
You act like mafia never votes mafia, and that is obviously not true.
To me, Nutella is obvious town. I think your reasoning for scum reading her are bad. Mac was not putting in effort, and Jimmay was clearly off. Nutella has made bad decisions, but she has not acted in a way that shows that she knew Jimmay and Mac were mafia. If she had known, I'm sure she had managed to come out of this looking superficially better. At least, that is what I believe. And then the truth shall set us free I guess.
I know I am town. You have not explained your read on me other than "my ISO isn't towny" and you "don't like things that I do". It's not an explanation for a read. Why is this a mafia trait for me? Can you explain that? That is rhetorical, and you don't have to do it lol.
So your "90% sure reads" are bad, and you're holding onto them for dear life, it seems.
I don't think spf voted Mac soft core. I think she was one of the hardest voices against Mac. AND - I don't think that is clearing for her. I would actually be less concerned if her suss was softer, because I believe that she would bus as mafia there. But it's of course possible that she just had a correct read as town, because Mac was scummy.
I don't know about Esooa. I haven't read D3 yet. Still at EoD 2. She might be mafia, I don't know.