[Endgame] Masters of the Universe Mafia

#1551

Snow Dog wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:Well, I am not going to be voting He-man since I think after this exercise, it is clear he is not on either team, thus he must be a civvie.
It hasn't in any way been proved he isn't Horde.

So, you want to lynch him to prove he isn't? 'Cos I am pretty sure you will find he is not Horde.

#1552

LittleTiger wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:Well, I am not going to be voting He-man since I think after this exercise, it is clear he is not on either team, thus he must be a civvie.
It hasn't in any way been proved he isn't Horde.
So, you want to lynch him to prove he isn't? 'Cos I am pretty sure you will find he is not Horde.

No. I did not say that anywhere.

#1553

Kate wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:Well, I am not going to be voting He-man since I think after this exercise, it is clear he is not on either team, thus he must be a civvie.

@Kate - I have thought FH seemed civvie... I mean very civvie... so that sort of pinged me. But I cannot see her going to all the detail in vote analysis etc if she were bad.

So, what are thoughts on Dom?

Where are our replacement people? The un-tamed and Stormcrow, specifically....
Well what I was trying to do was go through the day one lynch and see if anything stood out since I"m pretty much at a loss at where to look next. I got as far as the end of the lynch and saw her vote placement and commented. I didn't have a chance to read up after that, which I posted upthread.

Don't be pinged by me, you and I are together. I'm sure of it.

That was an odd vote and she did acknowledge it was odd and pingworthy. I do have her marked on my spreadsheet as "unsure", her lack of posting and spotty vote record makes it hard to form an opinion one way or the other right now - but then there is all that helpful stuff...

I wish more people would chime in! The poll ends so early tomorrow and I will have to vote before 8pm tonight... for right now, I am leaning towards voting dom, tbh.

linki - snow dog - then how would you like to prove he isn't Horde? If you cannot accept the thread evidence then that must mean you would like to lynch him, no?

#1554

Oh, Kate.... for clarification, it wasn't YOU that pinged me, it was FH seeming super civvie... LOL! I just re-read your post and realized you thought something other than I intended...

#1555

This discussion makes sense, I won't be voting he-man today either. He voted to lynch Boomslang and BWT, and is/was possibly hexed as well.

Linki x2

#1556

LittleTiger wrote:
linki - snow dog - then how would you like to prove he isn't Horde? If you cannot accept the thread evidence then that must mean you would like to lynch him, no?

I see no evidence. Not what i'd call firm evidence anyway. I thought the point of these posts were to discuss possibilties. You just want to move on it seems and put words into my mouth I never thought let alone typed. I want debate. That is all.

#1557

Who are you looking at as suspicious, AATB?

#1558

AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:This discussion makes sense, I won't be voting he-man today either. He voted to lynch Boomslang and BWT, and is/was possibly hexed as well.

Linki x2

Oh he voted BWT? Sorry everyone I didn't realise that.

#1559

Snow Dog wrote:
AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:This discussion makes sense, I won't be voting he-man today either. He voted to lynch Boomslang and BWT, and is/was possibly hexed as well.

Linki x2
Oh he voted BWT? Sorry everyone I didn't realise that.

I pointed that out in an earlier post, so was sort of surprised that you said there was no evidence..

Snow Dog wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:
linki - snow dog - then how would you like to prove he isn't Horde? If you cannot accept the thread evidence then that must mean you would like to lynch him, no?
I see no evidence. Not what i'd call firm evidence anyway. I thought the point of these posts were to discuss possibilties. You just want to move on it seems and put words into my mouth I never thought let alone typed. I want debate. That is all.

So, would you like to continue to discuss He-Man? Feel free... but I will be looking elsewhere

#1560

Also, just FYI, I will be out-of-town/not on here after this vote until around the middle of next week. I might vote for the night poll as wel actually, but I'll miss most of the related discussion.

#1561

I'm voting He Man.

#1562

Snow Dog wrote:
AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:This discussion makes sense, I won't be voting he-man today either. He voted to lynch Boomslang and BWT, and is/was possibly hexed as well.

Linki x2
Oh he voted BWT? Sorry everyone I didn't realise that.

I'm confused, what's going on here?

#1563

LittleTiger wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:This discussion makes sense, I won't be voting he-man today either. He voted to lynch Boomslang and BWT, and is/was possibly hexed as well.

Linki x2
Oh he voted BWT? Sorry everyone I didn't realise that.
I pointed that out in an earlier post, so was sort of surprised that you said there was no evidence..

Yes I see it now, must have skimmed over that bit. Ok. It seems he isnt Horde.

#1564

juliets wrote:I'm voting He Man.

What?

#1565

im at work and have to vote quick.

im voting snow dog.

some stuff just doesn't feel right.

timmer and he man are also on the radar, but snow dog seems less and less civvie imo.

votes.

#1566

I have thought it over and after much consideration, I've decided to vote for Dom. The tipping point was me noticing him watching the thread when his name came up as suspect, but him refusing to say anything in his own defense. If he were good, why would he stay silent? I do not buy the whole "I keep forgetting I'm playing" thing. I think he is simply trying to lay low so no one notices him enough to vote for him.

Votes Dom.

#1567

OK, does it feel like the baddies are rushing in here to try to start voting wagons on civs or am I just going nuts?

#1568

Kate wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm voting He Man.
What?

I've been talking about He Man for awhile now it shouldn't be a surprise.

#1569

juliets wrote:
Kate wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm voting He Man.
What?
I've been talking about He Man for awhile now it shouldn't be a surprise.

Yes but you vote in the middle of a conversation where we pretty much rule him out and then not even so much as a comment?

#1570

?? I never ruled him out.

#1571

Kate wrote:OK, does it feel like the baddies are rushing in here to try to start voting wagons on civs or am I just going nuts?

I quite agree that it seems that way. Part of the reason I went ahead and cast my vote is to try to counteract the bandwagon effect.

#1572

thellama73 wrote:I have thought it over and after much consideration, I've decided to vote for Dom. The tipping point was me noticing him watching the thread when his name came up as suspect, but him refusing to say anything in his own defense. If he were good, why would he stay silent? I do not buy the whole "I keep forgetting I'm playing" thing. I think he is simply trying to lay low so no one notices him enough to vote for him.

Votes Dom.

I don't want to spread out the vote anymore. Of the people with votes, I'd most believed that Dom is bad, so I will vote with Llama who I trust is civ.

*votes Dom*

#1573

thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:OK, does it feel like the baddies are rushing in here to try to start voting wagons on civs or am I just going nuts?
I quite agree that it seems that way. Part of the reason I went ahead and cast my vote is to try to counteract the bandwagon effect.

Ditto.

#1574

juliets wrote:?? I never ruled him out.

Have you been reading? Do you have anything to add that might disprove anything we have said in the last few hours about HeMan?

#1575

thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:OK, does it feel like the baddies are rushing in here to try to start voting wagons on civs or am I just going nuts?
I quite agree that it seems that way. Part of the reason I went ahead and cast my vote is to try to counteract the bandwagon effect.

I am not a baddie. I just have a belief He Man is bad.

#1576

juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:OK, does it feel like the baddies are rushing in here to try to start voting wagons on civs or am I just going nuts?
I quite agree that it seems that way. Part of the reason I went ahead and cast my vote is to try to counteract the bandwagon effect.
I am not a baddie. I just have a belief He Man is bad.

Do you think you will still feel that way tomorrow?

#1577

I feel I have responded as best I could to indi, and everyone who has bought cases to me.

I voted boomslang, I was all for a BWT lynch and I'm all for a Timmer lynch.

I really don't understand why JC and Indi are pushing for my lynch when Timmer is a better candidate and I'm civ, even if you think I might be bad, Timmer is a better choice IMO.

So yeah The case against me with me apparently 'accidently' voting Boomslang instead of BF is utter nonsense IMO if boomslang was on my team I would of voted BF I'm not stupid. Wouldn't make such a mistake. I voted BS first before giving my reason in the thread because it was two minutes before the poll ended and I wanted my vote to count..

So I've done all I can do I am fighting but I can't see what else I can say, hopefully my actions will help the civvies make the honourable choice. Peace

Lots of linkis

#1578

It may seem odd but I think He Man is on a crafty team that has made him look bullet proof. I do think I will vote him tomorrow unless someone else confesses in the thread or i die tonight because of him.

#1579

Also, just to clarify, I am not saying He Man made a mistake when he voted Boomslang.

#1580

juliets wrote:It may seem odd but I think He Man is on a crafty team that has made him look bullet proof. I do think I will vote him tomorrow unless someone else confesses in the thread or i die tonight because of him.

This is not true JC I am confused tbh

#1581

juliets wrote:It may seem odd but I think He Man is on a crafty team that has made him look bullet proof. I do think I will vote him tomorrow unless someone else confesses in the thread or i die tonight because of him.

Can you give any explanation as to why you think that?

#1582

thellama73 wrote:I have thought it over and after much consideration, I've decided to vote for Dom. The tipping point was me noticing him watching the thread when his name came up as suspect, but him refusing to say anything in his own defense. If he were good, why would he stay silent? I do not buy the whole "I keep forgetting I'm playing" thing. I think he is simply trying to lay low so no one notices him enough to vote for him.

Votes Dom.

Hmm you do have a bit of a point. This doesn't seem Dom-ish at all tbh.

#1583

Wow, lots to read up on, tons of weirdness this day period. Work has slowed down the past hour or so, thankfully, because being away yesterday didn't help (though it was fun!).

I think some good points have been brought up against He-Man, even some I had never thought about. I find it weird a few people in particular are so quick to dismiss him as being on either team, just because of his Boomslang and BWT votes and because he was hexed. Boomslang vote I can understand more since it was Day 1 and it was such a close lynch, but there's WIFOM there (unlikely, but it's there), and more importantly, did anyone actively try to argue that BWT is civvie? It was a very similar lynch to Timmer only with even better sound evidence against him, IMO. Seems to me that BWT was a sinking ship that his team likely would have supported, especially if they knew he would survive one lynch, because otherwise outing themselves as BWT supporters would be risky. Keeps the discussion off of other people, right? Then again, I think most likely that fellow Horde-members would not have voiced much about BWT and then jumped on the bandwagon. The argument could be made either way.

Also, as to the hexing, I see no reason to believe Snake Mountain would hex anyone else over their own team. I don't see how that's even an argument, given I've played many games where baddie teams have self-targeted to create doubt or cause chaos. It could be less likely, but if I was on Snake Mountain, I know I would support at least hexing someone on our team once early on, so why wouldn't someone else?

All of that being said, I've wavered on He-Man all game, and he has defended himself and seemed civvie to me on multiple occasions. He also seemed very baddie to me on other occasions. So I really don't know with him. If he is baddie, he has defended himself well, and that doesn't make him any less bad, but I'm not completely sold on this at the moment.

Dom's forgetting that the game was even going on is really weird. If he is a civvie, I doubt he would do that, and his posts have been weirder over time, although I do know he is very busy with college life. Perhaps if he had a baddie team he might not be as inattentive, and I was reading him as civvie early in the game. IDK. I could see him being bad, I guess. Same goes for SE, although I haven't been reading him as particularly civvie at any point (unlike Dom). I think his behavior could easily been seen as suspicious baddie flying under the radar, but having known SE's behavior in the only two other games he played, he was pretty quiet in those and civvie both times, so I'm not sure there either. Could be bad too.

I think what's most interesting/notable is that the people I have the most civvie read on seem split between "He-Man is bad!" and "Dom is bad!" and some seem pretty confident. I think what I need to do is re-read these people after night class and make a judgment call, as I do not feel ready to vote now and I wouldn't want to split a vote. I'm pinged by the early timing of the votes, honestly, and it's put me (and others) in a harder place because it sets up a one versus one other lynch and might lead to baddie manipulation and a civvie lynch today. Hopefully not though.

With regards to Timmer, I'm not sure he needs to go yet, but that seems to be a moot point given I've jumped in late to the Day's discussion festivities and no one is really advocating his lynch for today.

I definitely agree that we need to hear more from certain players, SE and Dom included. The_untamed seems completely absent and Stormcrow and Aces are almost entirely absent. Any thoughts, any of you?

Orson's vote for Snow Dog strikes me as hexed; did anyone else get that impression?

#1584

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Orson's vote for Snow Dog strikes me as hexed; did anyone else get that impression?

I think we need to be careful about providing a "must be hexed!" excuse to any player who votes strangely. It's too easy a thing to abuse.

#1585

thellama73 wrote:I have thought it over and after much consideration, I've decided to vote for Dom. The tipping point was me noticing him watching the thread when his name came up as suspect, but him refusing to say anything in his own defense. If he were good, why would he stay silent? I do not buy the whole "I keep forgetting I'm playing" thing. I think he is simply trying to lay low so no one notices him enough to vote for him.

Votes Dom.

Also, I meant to comment on this as well in my previous post. Has he indeed come around thread? That is an interesting development. I do hope he says something in his defense. If he doesn't, that is even stranger, since you would think he would want to at least say something, even if he does have many pages to read.

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Orson's vote for Snow Dog strikes me as hexed; did anyone else get that impression?
I think we need to be careful about providing a "must be hexed!" excuse to any player who votes strangely. It's too easy a thing to abuse.

You're entirely right, I agree, but I think it's also good to try and figure out who might exactly be hexed each day period. It helps to weed out the abuse, if that makes sense.

#1586

Kate wrote:
juliets wrote:It may seem odd but I think He Man is on a crafty team that has made him look bullet proof. I do think I will vote him tomorrow unless someone else confesses in the thread or i die tonight because of him.
Can you give any explanation as to why you think that?

Just that I worked backwards from everything i saw in the thread that convinced me he was bad and then went to the things that made him look not bad. The two things that I found were that he was hexed and that he cast the tying vote in the Boomslang/BF vote. FH's post reminded me that the hex could have easily been put on him by his own team but what about that earlier vote? I finally decided that something had happened there that was not expected, because I certainly don't think the team would have sacrificed Boomslang and I still believed He Man was bad.

I don't expect that everyone will see this my way but I feel strongly about it and wanted to throw it out there if nothing else for people to think about.

#1587

JC, I have to ask, you seem particularly confident about He-Man being baddie. I do agree with points that have been made but I'm having trouble making the final connection, especially with LT and llama seeming sure he probably isn't. What would you say makes you feel most confident about it?

Same question goes to those who feel strongly about Dom or anyone else for that matter. I'm curious as to the strongest arguments to be made against the primary candidates right now so I can look specifically when I re-read posts when I get home.

I need to get back to work so I will see all of you again later tonight.

#1588

MovingPictures07 wrote:JC, I have to ask, you seem particularly confident about He-Man being baddie. I do agree with points that have been made but I'm having trouble making the final connection, especially with LT and llama seeming sure he probably isn't. What would you say makes you feel most confident about it?

Same question goes to those who feel strongly about Dom or anyone else for that matter. I'm curious as to the strongest arguments to be made against the primary candidates right now so I can look specifically when I re-read posts when I get home.

I need to get back to work so I will see all of you again later tonight.

Honestly, for me the strongest case against Dom comes from the fact that he's been watching the thread without participating. It doesn't jive with his claims about forgetting about the game. Is it proof? No, but my intuition is pinging me about him more than anyone else at this point. So far, my intuition has been right about Boomslang, Roxy and BWT, so I am going to go on trusting it.

#1589

juliets wrote:
Kate wrote:
juliets wrote:It may seem odd but I think He Man is on a crafty team that has made him look bullet proof. I do think I will vote him tomorrow unless someone else confesses in the thread or i die tonight because of him.
Can you give any explanation as to why you think that?
Just that I worked backwards from everything i saw in the thread that convinced me he was bad and then went to the things that made him look not bad. The two things that I found were that he was hexed and that he cast the tying vote in the Boomslang/BF vote. FH's post reminded me that the hex could have easily been put on him by his own team but what about that earlier vote? I finally decided that something had happened there that was not expected, because I certainly don't think the team would have sacrificed Boomslang and I still believed He Man was bad.

I don't expect that everyone will see this my way but I feel strongly about it and wanted to throw it out there if nothing else for people to think about.

Just so I'm understanding clearly, you think HeMan is on Boomslang's team and some team tactic went wrong?

#1590

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom's forgetting that the game was even going on is really weird. If he is a civvie, I doubt he would do that, and his posts have been weirder over time, although I do know he is very busy with college life. Perhaps if he had a baddie team he might not be as inattentive, and I was reading him as civvie early in the game. IDK. I could see him being bad, I guess. Same goes for SE, although I haven't been reading him as particularly civvie at any point (unlike Dom). I think his behavior could easily been seen as suspicious baddie flying under the radar, but having known SE's behavior in the only two other games he played, he was pretty quiet in those and civvie both times, so I'm not sure there either. Could be bad too.

Just curious about the bolded, underlined part. What made you read him as civvie early on? I went back and read his early posts...and while I was at it, I went ahead and read all of his posts as he's only made 14 in the entire game. His vote for Timmer was a little strange tbh as he kind of just drive by voted for him after not mentioning him previously. I see nothing in any of his posts to suggest hes a civvie. He hasn't taken a strong stance on anyone other than BF. He got upset and voted BF based on a comment, but it really didn't seem like he thought BF was actually bad. He agreed with Roxy in one post. And he's mentioned THREE times that he's forgotten he's playing in this game.

#1591

And regarding He-Man, the only thing that pings me about him is the vote for the Battleram as the vehicle choice. I haven't seen anything else that would make me think he's a baddie. It would seem unlikely that he would be a team mate of Boomslang based on the day one vote. The BWT vote is less concise to me. I don't think the vote for BWT clears him of being a Horde member because IIRC almost everyone voted for BWT. Could someone help me see the suspicion there? Also, LT, you say that you are quite sure that He-Man is NOT a Horde member, but it seems like that is based purely on the BWT vote...is that correct? Is there anything else?

#1592

I think I have shared enough of my thoughts regarding He-Man. I know I won't be voting him...

However, I will be voting Dom... right now.

#1593

I'm not going to repeat myself anymore, He-man. I've spoken my thoughts. But I still notice your lack of anything substantial to try and prove a point against me, all you did was quote me and say i pinged you and made excuses. Just for your information, I have been spending the majority of my time awake in the past two weeks doing a service project in the hospice wing of a nursing home. Pretty worthy of not being here all the time, IMO. What more do you want me to say?

#1594

MP it is really the totality of the evidence for me on He Man, starting with that vote for Battle Ram. If you guys had not approached it and laid it out so scientifically I might not be pinged by that vote but as it was there was no reason to vote Battle Ram, and I think the reason He Man gives (he wanted to have some fun) just doesn't make sense. The other thing that looms large to me is how he man has skipped around for so many people which is not the way his civvie game is. Think about it, have you seen him do this in any other game where he was civ? He generally has a suspicion and lasy on that hard as I learned the hard way in West Wing. The best example of this is where he starts with a list of people at the beginning of the day and by midday he's talking about someone completely different (DH). He doesn't even say "Oh, I left him off my list this morning". Plus, he was one of those that voted DH after everyone already knew you got hexed and that's why you voted DH. There is more evidence but those things stand out to me as I read through him. I can also see him on either team - Snake Mountain if something went haywire with their vote or Hoard because it would be easy to slip in among BWT voters.

I'm not saying don't vote Dom tonight. I think we might be in a position where we have two baddies up for consideration. I'm just passionate about my belief here.

#1595

This has been my first chance all day to get to a computer and I am wiped out from my meeting today.

One question I wanted clarified that I either missed or simply didn't understand is why He-Man is definitely not Horde because he voted for BWT? Weren't both BWT lynches pretty much sweeps with the exception of a few votes on other people? I unfortunately have had no time to go find the voting order to see when he voted, but I was just wondering if that was the only reason he was being given a pass for being a potential member of the Horde.

I see that JC seems pretty certain that He-Man in Snake Mountain, but I just can't get past his vote for Boomslang Day 1. I can't see him tying his own teammate with blindfaeth. And the reason I didn't think Snake Mountain would hex their own teammate is because unlike insanifying, they actually force someone to vote a certain way. To me it seems riskier to pull that on a teammate when they might need every vote to count in any given lynch depending on how the voting goes (i.e. to save a teammate they need every vote to count).

Anyway, people I trust have made a compelling case for suspecting Dom--I agree that civvie Dom even when busy is much more proactive a player than he's being now. And using the "I keep forgetting I'm playing" defense just reeks of WIFOM ("I can't possibly have teammates since I can't remember I'm playing thus no one can remind me I'm playing.")

I don't buy it.

I return home tomorrow and then my life should return to normal (meaning no travelling for awhile, yay!).

*vote Dom*

#1596

I looked back at Dom's posts and read/glanced through many of He-Man's. I've considered all of the main arguments against both, as well as trying to weigh my reads on both of them throughout the game. It's possible both are civvie, baddie, or one is civ and one is bad, honestly. I'm not sure I'll make it in time to vote in the morning, so I should vote now, especially as I am really tired.

This is tough, especially since He-Man has been participating insanely more than Dom, but in the end my gut says He-Man, so I guess that's what I'm doing. votes He-Man

reywaS wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom's forgetting that the game was even going on is really weird. If he is a civvie, I doubt he would do that, and his posts have been weirder over time, although I do know he is very busy with college life. Perhaps if he had a baddie team he might not be as inattentive, and I was reading him as civvie early in the game. IDK. I could see him being bad, I guess. Same goes for SE, although I haven't been reading him as particularly civvie at any point (unlike Dom). I think his behavior could easily been seen as suspicious baddie flying under the radar, but having known SE's behavior in the only two other games he played, he was pretty quiet in those and civvie both times, so I'm not sure there either. Could be bad too.

Just curious about the bolded, underlined part. What made you read him as civvie early on? I went back and read his early posts...and while I was at it, I went ahead and read all of his posts as he's only made 14 in the entire game. His vote for Timmer was a little strange tbh as he kind of just drive by voted for him after not mentioning him previously. I see nothing in any of his posts to suggest hes a civvie. He hasn't taken a strong stance on anyone other than BF. He got upset and voted BF based on a comment, but it really didn't seem like he thought BF was actually bad. He agreed with Roxy in one post. And he's mentioned THREE times that he's forgotten he's playing in this game.

When I say early on, I mean literally his behavior Day 1 and previous, as sparse as it was, a good chunk of his posts were during that period. If you might recall, LT connected that I was saying Dom was bad all the way back then when I made my argument against He-Man, but I clarified and told her I did not say Dom was bad. After Day 1, I wouldn't say his behavior points him one way or the other for me, other than his complete lack of being here. It's hard to describe because it's really just my gut. I still think he might be bad, but I feel the points against He-Man push it ever so slightly over the edge. Do you think we might have two baddies or do you think He-Man is civvie (or that both are civvie, but you don't seem to be indicating that)?

#1597

Kate wrote:
indiglo wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:It should be VERY obvious that He-Man's vote for me is forced.
LT, just trying to understand, can you explain who this was directed to? Because I don't see who was talking about his forced vote, or why this is relevant I guess.
A couple of people have mentioned it during the last day and again this day period - that his vote for me is suspect. He was very obvious about being forced to vote me last lynch so I thought I would point that out.

I am still not convinced that He-Man is a baddie, tbqh. He has responded to everything, his answers make sense. Considering how many times he gets lynched as a civvie, it makes me more cautious where he is concerned. Also, Indiglo's case on him included stuff that He-Man has already responded to. So....

I still want to hear from Dom. He was reading this thread yesterday and I am pretty sure he saw my post. Also, Aceofspaces - where the heck is he?

You are free to disagree, I have no problem with that. However I will say that his responses have not been satisfactory to me personally. They have been extremely superficial imo and have not addressed the real issues I see with him - repeated contradictions since day 1, his incredibly opportunistic sudden 5 minute suspicion of DH when MP was forced to vote him, andan ongoing list of names of "suspects" with no real substance to any of them (among other things). In fact, when I have more time (probably on Friday), I am planning to go back through his posts again and write down all the names he listed. I think we will find some interesting things there, more than likely.

I have no further questions for you He-Man, and I'm sorry if me calling you a "goof" upset you. That was not my intention. I just want to repeat again that I do not dislike you or want you out of the game - I happen to think you are mafia, so for that reason I believe your role needs to be eliminated. I see a pattern of behavior here that reads mafia, that's all.

Another thing I noticed - after me posting a case on He-Man, a couple of people suddenly come out of the woodwork saying I pinged them. Granted, that could be genuine, but it seems like more than a coincidence to me - and I think some of those "pinged people" were simply riding the coattails of other players. So that may give us some other places to look too.
I assume you think HeMan is a horde member?

Actually, my guess is the opposite.

#1598

juliets wrote:MP it is really the totality of the evidence for me on He Man, starting with that vote for Battle Ram. If you guys had not approached it and laid it out so scientifically I might not be pinged by that vote but as it was there was no reason to vote Battle Ram, and I think the reason He Man gives (he wanted to have some fun) just doesn't make sense. The other thing that looms large to me is how he man has skipped around for so many people which is not the way his civvie game is. Think about it, have you seen him do this in any other game where he was civ? He generally has a suspicion and lasy on that hard as I learned the hard way in West Wing. The best example of this is where he starts with a list of people at the beginning of the day and by midday he's talking about someone completely different (DH). He doesn't even say "Oh, I left him off my list this morning". Plus, he was one of those that voted DH after everyone already knew you got hexed and that's why you voted DH. There is more evidence but those things stand out to me as I read through him. I can also see him on either team - Snake Mountain if something went haywire with their vote or Hoard because it would be easy to slip in among BWT voters.

I'm not saying don't vote Dom tonight. I think we might be in a position where we have two baddies up for consideration. I'm just passionate about my belief here.

I am really hoping this is the case.

#1599

Well I don't exactly feel so great about Dom, I'm really wondering if these Dom votes are partly save attempt.

#1600

Flyin' High wrote:This has been my first chance all day to get to a computer and I am wiped out from my meeting today.

One question I wanted clarified that I either missed or simply didn't understand is why He-Man is definitely not Horde because he voted for BWT? Weren't both BWT lynches pretty much sweeps with the exception of a few votes on other people? I unfortunately have had no time to go find the voting order to see when he voted, but I was just wondering if that was the only reason he was being given a pass for being a potential member of the Horde.

I see that JC seems pretty certain that He-Man in Snake Mountain, but I just can't get past his vote for Boomslang Day 1. I can't see him tying his own teammate with blindfaeth. And the reason I didn't think Snake Mountain would hex their own teammate is because unlike insanifying, they actually force someone to vote a certain way. To me it seems riskier to pull that on a teammate when they might need every vote to count in any given lynch depending on how the voting goes (i.e. to save a teammate they need every vote to count).

Anyway, people I trust have made a compelling case for suspecting Dom--I agree that civvie Dom even when busy is much more proactive a player than he's being now. And using the "I keep forgetting I'm playing" defense just reeks of WIFOM ("I can't possibly have teammates since I can't remember I'm playing thus no one can remind me I'm playing.")

I don't buy it.

I return home tomorrow and then my life should return to normal (meaning no travelling for awhile, yay!).

*vote Dom*

This pretty much sums up what I'm feeling at the moment. Time to go pack though Votes Dom