Akemi Homura Mafia [Town Win]

[Gavial]

Like it’s a world I think we definitely live in and one Mac would definitely pull

[MacDougall]

Yes I want to remove all three of you because the wagon that chops a d1 town zero poster over legitimate pushes including my own is rarely mafia and mafia is a game of percentages. If this is the one game in which that isn't the case then I will gladly lose and just blame you for it lol.

[MacDougall]

Like it’s a world I think we definitely live in and one Mac would definitely pull

Show me the paopan townslip.

And tell me why Wilgy is town in your eyes?

[MacDougall]

Yes I want to remove all three of you because the wagon that chops a d1 town zero poster over legitimate pushes including my own is rarely pure and mafia is a game of percentages. If this is the one game in which that isn't the case then I will gladly lose and just blame you for it lol.

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[MacDougall]

I'm gonna do you a favour you don't deserve. Give me a little bit.

[Gavial]

I'm gonna do you a favour you don't deserve. Give me a little bit.

Stop PLing Me if you think I’m town!

[Gavial]

I am dumb though like I did what I did back in that one game where TSP and Jack were wolves. I voted away from the correct wagon.
I should have just let CRichard’s yeet go through.

[Gavial]

Like people suddenly dropped their SR on CRichard when there was absolutely no reason for it and the sad part is 1 of them has to be town.

[Gavial]

If scum did sheep me then let me ask you this, why would they have not just voted CRichard?

He is very active and a good enough player to give town tell as town.

They haven’t town told but like still.

[Gavial]

Like Paopan took us vote off Richard why?
Wilgy never voted Richard why?

[MacDougall]

Alright so I realized that me and Mac are the only strong town carries and he’s taking all my spotlight.

I’ll tell yeah that this game there is only room for the one of us!
[VOTE: MacDongull] aubergine

[VOTE:

Identifying the strongest potential town in the game and then voting them with your first post is not pro town. As someone else said, I self resolve as town when everyone just townreads me. When you are town it makes zero sense to do this unless I am pretty much openwolfing, which I have not been here. This is a bad tactical decision or just openly pro mafia.] aubergine

[VOTE: Ok but as already stated I am not. So now what?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Now we test to see if that’s true.] aubergine

[VOTE: what a ridiculous conversation to be having on this the day of my daughter's wedding] aubergine

[VOTE:

Don’t worry, we still got over 24 hours!] aubergine

[VOTE:

Have you carried out your test. What were the results?] aubergine

[VOTE: The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.] aubergine

[VOTE: Howdy! I'm town 'errybody



CR, Gav giving me wolf vibes] aubergine

[VOTE:

I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Why are you so concerned about mac?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Because we both are loud and if he’s wolf that’s not good.] aubergine

[VOTE:

But if I am town it is very good. This is again just bad tactics for the aforementioned reasons.] aubergine

[VOTE: What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.] aubergine

[VOTE:

If Crich is town, is this still a bad thing? If not, then it's only bad because Crich is mafia, so I am Crich's partner? But I am also Falcon's partner? Or are you saying I am TMIing Crich as town? Which is it?

Dropping a push is not alignment indicative. I left the thread and came back and picked up on a live lead. This is the definition of tunneling. You can read my PSA on Tunneling here. https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ling-A-PSA] aubergine

[VOTE: Wilgy do you actually scum read me?
Do you think me and Mac are W/W?
What’s your reads exactly, you able to explain it in emoji’s? Lol.] aubergine

[VOTE:

At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?] aubergine

[VOTE: What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Fair, though I would imagine that town would probably be more willing to move their vote based on who is scummier from their PoV.
Mafia otoh would probably be more rigid and inflexible with their votes, though I have to be careful that it doesn't bite me in the well ..... behind as this lobby has some experienced players.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This is also Mac we are talking about.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I will say this to you one time, you have a bad idea of how I play. You are projecting your self meta onto me because you think we play the game the same. We do not play the game the same. Your entire playstyle is one mode I choose to operate in sometimes for tactical reasons or when I feel confident that I have a read. I do not just pick up a suspicion day 1 and then do nothing but bury that slot. I actually don't think I have ever done that in a game in my entire life.] aubergine

[VOTE: I've seen Mac as a wolf, it was indeed the last game I played was against wolf!Mac. He's not acting like how he was acting in that game.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Ok, but what about his other wolf games?] aubergine

[VOTE:

2 problems here. Recent meta > general meta. The other problem is that you are completely ignoring what someone you just townread in the post prior to this is trying to tell you. This is a major symptom of tunneling and if you get it out of your game the world of mafia will thank you for it.] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Explain both please.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Falcon constantly bringing up posts and questioning things feels like his game in Batman Mafia.

Mac... kinda just feels like town Mac? He isn't just fluffing out content he's just going after people and outing reads.] aubergine

[VOTE: Also Lime what’s your read on me?
With those reads I get a gut your leaning me wolf.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Possibly, your obsession over Mac is reminding me of what you did with Alison in Baby Mafia.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I’m pretty sure Falcon’s capable of that as either alignment tbh.
As for Mac, ima just ask Mac himself @MacDougall
Do you as Wolf, go after people and state your reads?

Ima just say this now Lime, they probably do.

Oh yeah Baby Mafia I remember that.
I pushed Alison because it was something I’d do as town and regardless of my alignment I know it’s more dangerous to keep a good player alive if they are wolf.

So I’ll give you that, you make a good point that I’m using the same reasoning as I did that game, this game.
It isn’t AI for me, I think like that regardless of my alignment but I like the fact you brought that up and I can honestly see the comparison here, although this time I’m actually town.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I sometimes do and I sometimes don't. Lime Coke is trying to articulate a town read on me that has a large heaping of gut and instinct which is accurate and being forced to articulate an actual reason for that generally creates a situation where they say something that's subjective and easy to refute.

Gavial, tunneling me out of the gate on day 1 in a game I randed town is not a game winning strategy for whichever alignment you randed and I would suggest if you are town you cease and desist and try to solve alignment indicative things ie "who sounds le town".] aubergine

[VOTE:

I have been solving lol, I’ve stated my reads.

You realize out of everyone here if there was a power wolf and it was the best player to be one, it’d be you.

That’s why I stated before that I’m voting you until I see something from you that highly suggests your town.
If I don’t find anything of the such or I find stuff from you that to be wolfy I’m gonna keep pushing for you.] aubergine

[VOTE:

So you suspected me for the entirety of day one because your goal was to get rid of the powerwolf you could lose to, and then in the end you contributed to the chop of a 0 poster? They are two complete extremes.

I have a question, how does your decision making affect a pro town outcome in the world where the mafia are just among the regular posters like in the majority of games?] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Explain both please.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Falcon constantly bringing up posts and questioning things feels like his game in Batman Mafia.

Mac... kinda just feels like town Mac? He isn't just fluffing out content he's just going after people and outing reads.] aubergine

[VOTE: Also Lime what’s your read on me?
With those reads I get a gut your leaning me wolf.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Possibly, your obsession over Mac is reminding me of what you did with Alison in Baby Mafia.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I’m pretty sure Falcon’s capable of that as either alignment tbh.
As for Mac, ima just ask Mac himself @MacDougall
Do you as Wolf, go after people and state your reads?

Ima just say this now Lime, they probably do.

Oh yeah Baby Mafia I remember that.
I pushed Alison because it was something I’d do as town and regardless of my alignment I know it’s more dangerous to keep a good player alive if they are wolf.

So I’ll give you that, you make a good point that I’m using the same reasoning as I did that game, this game.
It isn’t AI for me, I think like that regardless of my alignment but I like the fact you brought that up and I can honestly see the comparison here, although this time I’m actually town.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Given we've played several games together when you were town and you didn't do this to me in those games, and Lime Coke is pointing out that you have a history of doing this to strong town players as mafia, I am thinking we're probably just going to flip you here.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Probably going to flip me here? Lol.
Yeah no, funny enough you never actually stated you scum read me you just kept complaining about my vote towards you.
Then when you said Bolded it feels really agenda’y lol.

I didn’t do that to you in those games because in those games there were more strong players then just me and you lol.] aubergine

[VOTE:

It is agenda'y. Because you are completely in the way of me solving the game for town and it is +ev for the town wincon for you to die because of it regardless of your alignment. Especially considering that even if I slightly townlean you for this madness, I could still be wrong. So either we chop a powerwolf that's just trying to railroad the game, or we chop a bad town. It's win/win and d2 is the last day we can afford to do it.] aubergine

[VOTE: But now that I pointed this out nothing Falcon and Mac can do from in on out can make me believe otherwise that CRichard can’t be aligned with them.] aubergine

[VOTE:

While on the surface it could appear that Falcon and I make sense as teammates, if you understand nuance about how wolves play, you would see that in this dynamic that it would be more likely a t/w dynamic in which Falcon, seeing you pushing me and me getting mad, is choosing to pocket me and align with me against you. Because it is far easier to help me kill you than it would be to help you kill me, notwithstanding who we are as players and clout, but simply because your play makes no sense and no mafia could realistically push me in this game in this dynamic without looking ridiculous. Noting that Falcon ended up voting you and not Dr.Wilgy, this is quite a possibility if you are town, but in that universe Wilgy would still probably be mafia and it would be with Falcon.] aubergine

[VOTE: But now that I pointed this out nothing Falcon and Mac can do from in on out can make me believe otherwise that CRichard can’t be aligned with them.] aubergine

[VOTE:

There would be 2 mafia in this grouping and one town. Who is most likely the town? We can't all be wolves.] aubergine

[VOTE: what are the firmest reads you have right now CR] aubergine

[VOTE:

Mac and Gav are my most confident town reads as of now.
Paopan is my scum lean and I'm voting them.
Still, the lack of activity is a little concerning where I'm at.
By my site standards, I would expect the thread to be about 2x what it is now in an 11p game.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Mac still giving me paranoia and as soon as I have my vote off him he calls me town.
I’m curious what Mac would do if Sig jumped in here plopping a vote down on him.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I had in fact, called you town prior to this. Notwithstanding that I have a town meta of just townreading people who townread me and scumreading those that scumread me so it is not abnormal at all. The reason being is that I am aware when I am actually being towny and when I am being scummy, so when people are pushing me when I know I have not been scummy it is suspicious to me and is part of the reason I am able to find wolves so readily. People think omgus is bad, but it's only bad if you're a scummy town and do it. Not when you are me.] aubergine

[VOTE: the reason I know gavial is town is because gavial wouldn't try to chop me d1 he'd just ignore my presence and n1 like the actual mafia are going to inevitably do and are doing] aubergine

[VOTE:

I love how you couldn’t think of this before when I actually had my vote on you. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Sometimes things require having played out before you can analyse them. And by sometimes I mean all the time. Notwithstanding I was pretty much begrudgingly townreading you the entirety of day 1. Third problem with this dumb fucking sentence is that I don't have the time, nor does the universe require me to articulate every single thought I have to you in particular whenever I have it. Especially when you are doing me zero favours and I'm pretty fine with you dying as town. Like get that through you head. I wish you had died d1 over sig. This game would be easier for me if that occurred. By an order of magnitude. This is me, as town, saying this to you.] aubergine

[VOTE: I’m actually scum leaning Mac RN but clearly no one else thinks the same so it’s an uphill struggle.] aubergine

[VOTE:

When you wake up in the morning and all you see are assholes...] aubergine

[VOTE: Also @MacDougall
Why exactly do you think the emoji poster is scum?] aubergine

[VOTE:

I said emoji posting is anti town. Hiding your alignment in a mountainous game behind a gimmick account is anti town. There is no benefit in this setup to play in anti town fashion. The easiest way for town to win is to be too towny for the mafia to contend with. Wilgy then proceeded to omgus me, and later he said "mac should know better" which is just some flaccid thing wolves say to me all the time. Wilgy knows he was being anti town so to say that is either just tilt or mafia.] aubergine

[VOTE: My thoughts. I am enjoying this game as a change of pace. I don't feel like hyperposting is necessarily a good thing and reads pertaining to it are not solvent to me here. As long as people draw lines in the sand with the directions they take its a fine throwback to what some might say is a better time.

I am concerned about crichard. His tone is off and he sounds like his non town self just on tone and the directions he's taking.] aubergine

[VOTE: aside from townreading me lol] aubergine

[VOTE:

Now you gonna actually state a full scum read CRich or just state that and ignore him?] aubergine

[VOTE:

If this was real life, this would be considered harassment. Why do I need to use the word "full" or go any further than what I have done in that post? You are tormenting me at this point.] aubergine

[VOTE: @CRichard
I know I can’t convince you on Mac but I wouldn’t mind voting Sig since Sig might get replaced and it could help Alison not have to struggle finding a replacement and if Sig’s slot is wolf it could stop a real good player like Marmot or JJJ from replacing into the slot.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Mmm yes we would be in such a worse position in hindsight had Wilgy died and we got Marmot or JJJ into that slot. Mmm yes quite.] aubergine

[VOTE: Also Mac's vote on me is weak. He knows better.

Guess I'm not emoji posting anymore since I green posted.

I have afew posts to catch up on.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Yeah bud, it’s for the best.

Give me your thoughts and your reads before the end of today please.
We have like 2 Hours left.] aubergine

[VOTE:

@DrWilgy articulate how my vote on you is weak, and what I should know better?

This is a question a discerning town Gavial should have asked instead of trying to pocket Wilgy for some asinine reason.

tl;dr Your read on me is awful. Your logic for starting to sus me was awful. Your continued tunneling was awful. The choices you made lead town into an awful outcome. If you are town your play is boxing me into antagonising you rather solving which makes me play awful which is awful. Your failure to play my slot properly is probably going to lead to me not self resolving n1 like I otherwise would have which is also awful. Stop being awful or you will be dying day 2.] aubergine

[Gavial]

I am ready to say that I reckon there is a wolf between DrWilgy and Gavial lol.

Well I’m not a wolf and Wilgy is probably town.
Also, this game is barley 24 hours in so we will see if you still hold true to that read. I won’t say having a read like that barley 24 hours in is bad but as I mentioned before you feel really agenda’y.

Not really sure where this confidence in me came from. How had what I posted previous been anything but NAI?

It’s based on your actions not your posting of course.

[MacDougall]

Alright so I realized that me and Mac are the only strong town carries and he’s taking all my spotlight.

I’ll tell yeah that this game there is only room for the one of us!
[VOTE: MacDongull] aubergine

Identifying the strongest potential town in the game and then voting them with your first post is not pro town. As someone else said, I self resolve as town when everyone just townreads me. When you are town it makes zero sense to do this unless I am pretty much openwolfing, which I have not been here. This is a bad tactical decision or just openly pro mafia.

Ok but as already stated I am not. So now what?

Now we test to see if that’s true.

what a ridiculous conversation to be having on this the day of my daughter's wedding

Don’t worry, we still got over 24 hours!

Have you carried out your test. What were the results?

The one thing I find noteworthy is that Gav/Mac cross voting each other doesn't give w/w vibes.
Their arguing earlier felt too hostile for those two to both be bad guys.
Yeah it's hardly revolutionary, yet it's there.

Arguing wasn’t that hostile?
It was just me telling Mac their can only be room for the one of us and so I voted him.

Howdy! I'm town 'errybody



CR, Gav giving me wolf vibes

I can understand CRichard due to the above post, what exactly makes me give off wolf vibes?
Also, what’s your opinion on Mac? Do you share no opinion on him? Do you town lean him?

Why are you so concerned about mac?

Because we both are loud and if he’s wolf that’s not good.

But if I am town it is very good. This is again just bad tactics for the aforementioned reasons.

What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.

If Crich is town, is this still a bad thing? If not, then it's only bad because Crich is mafia, so I am Crich's partner? But I am also Falcon's partner? Or are you saying I am TMIing Crich as town? Which is it?

Dropping a push is not alignment indicative. I left the thread and came back and picked up on a live lead. This is the definition of tunneling. You can read my PSA on Tunneling here. https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ling-A-PSA

Wilgy do you actually scum read me?
Do you think me and Mac are W/W?
What’s your reads exactly, you able to explain it in emoji’s? Lol.

At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?

What I don’t like is Mac just entirely dropped their push on CRich.

Fair, though I would imagine that town would probably be more willing to move their vote based on who is scummier from their PoV.
Mafia otoh would probably be more rigid and inflexible with their votes, though I have to be careful that it doesn't bite me in the well ..... behind as this lobby has some experienced players.

This is also Mac we are talking about.

I will say this to you one time, you have a bad idea of how I play. You are projecting your self meta onto me because you think we play the game the same. We do not play the game the same. Your entire playstyle is one mode I choose to operate in sometimes for tactical reasons or when I feel confident that I have a read. I do not just pick up a suspicion day 1 and then do nothing but bury that slot. I actually don't think I have ever done that in a game in my entire life.

I've seen Mac as a wolf, it was indeed the last game I played was against wolf!Mac. He's not acting like how he was acting in that game.

Ok, but what about his other wolf games?

2 problems here. Recent meta > general meta. The other problem is that you are completely ignoring what someone you just townread in the post prior to this is trying to tell you. This is a major symptom of tunneling and if you get it out of your game the world of mafia will thank you for it.

Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

Explain both please.

Falcon constantly bringing up posts and questioning things feels like his game in Batman Mafia.

Mac... kinda just feels like town Mac? He isn't just fluffing out content he's just going after people and outing reads.

Also Lime what’s your read on me?
With those reads I get a gut your leaning me wolf.

Possibly, your obsession over Mac is reminding me of what you did with Alison in Baby Mafia.

I’m pretty sure Falcon’s capable of that as either alignment tbh.
As for Mac, ima just ask Mac himself @MacDougall
Do you as Wolf, go after people and state your reads?

Ima just say this now Lime, they probably do.

Oh yeah Baby Mafia I remember that.
I pushed Alison because it was something I’d do as town and regardless of my alignment I know it’s more dangerous to keep a good player alive if they are wolf.

So I’ll give you that, you make a good point that I’m using the same reasoning as I did that game, this game.
It isn’t AI for me, I think like that regardless of my alignment but I like the fact you brought that up and I can honestly see the comparison here, although this time I’m actually town.

I sometimes do and I sometimes don't. Lime Coke is trying to articulate a town read on me that has a large heaping of gut and instinct which is accurate and being forced to articulate an actual reason for that generally creates a situation where they say something that's subjective and easy to refute.

Gavial, tunneling me out of the gate on day 1 in a game I randed town is not a game winning strategy for whichever alignment you randed and I would suggest if you are town you cease and desist and try to solve alignment indicative things ie "who sounds le town".

I have been solving lol, I’ve stated my reads.

You realize out of everyone here if there was a power wolf and it was the best player to be one, it’d be you.

That’s why I stated before that I’m voting you until I see something from you that highly suggests your town.
If I don’t find anything of the such or I find stuff from you that to be wolfy I’m gonna keep pushing for you.

So you suspected me for the entirety of day one because your goal was to get rid of the powerwolf you could lose to, and then in the end you contributed to the chop of a 0 poster? They are two complete extremes.

I have a question, how does your decision making affect a pro town outcome in the world where the mafia are just among the regular posters like in the majority of games?

Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.

Explain both please.

Falcon constantly bringing up posts and questioning things feels like his game in Batman Mafia.

Mac... kinda just feels like town Mac? He isn't just fluffing out content he's just going after people and outing reads.

Also Lime what’s your read on me?
With those reads I get a gut your leaning me wolf.

Possibly, your obsession over Mac is reminding me of what you did with Alison in Baby Mafia.

I’m pretty sure Falcon’s capable of that as either alignment tbh.
As for Mac, ima just ask Mac himself @MacDougall
Do you as Wolf, go after people and state your reads?

Ima just say this now Lime, they probably do.

Oh yeah Baby Mafia I remember that.
I pushed Alison because it was something I’d do as town and regardless of my alignment I know it’s more dangerous to keep a good player alive if they are wolf.

So I’ll give you that, you make a good point that I’m using the same reasoning as I did that game, this game.
It isn’t AI for me, I think like that regardless of my alignment but I like the fact you brought that up and I can honestly see the comparison here, although this time I’m actually town.

Given we've played several games together when you were town and you didn't do this to me in those games, and Lime Coke is pointing out that you have a history of doing this to strong town players as mafia, I am thinking we're probably just going to flip you here.

Probably going to flip me here? Lol.
Yeah no, funny enough you never actually stated you scum read me you just kept complaining about my vote towards you.
Then when you said Bolded it feels really agenda’y lol.

I didn’t do that to you in those games because in those games there were more strong players then just me and you lol.

It is agenda'y. Because you are completely in the way of me solving the game for town and it is +ev for the town wincon for you to die because of it regardless of your alignment. Especially considering that even if I slightly townlean you for this madness, I could still be wrong. So either we chop a powerwolf that's just trying to railroad the game, or we chop a bad town. It's win/win and d2 is the last day we can afford to do it.

But now that I pointed this out nothing Falcon and Mac can do from in on out can make me believe otherwise that CRichard can’t be aligned with them.

While on the surface it could appear that Falcon and I make sense as teammates, if you understand nuance about how wolves play, you would see that in this dynamic that it would be more likely a t/w dynamic in which Falcon, seeing you pushing me and me getting mad, is choosing to pocket me and align with me against you. Because it is far easier to help me kill you than it would be to help you kill me, notwithstanding who we are as players and clout, but simply because your play makes no sense and no mafia could realistically push me in this game in this dynamic without looking ridiculous. Noting that Falcon ended up voting you and not Dr.Wilgy, this is quite a possibility if you are town, but in that universe Wilgy would still probably be mafia and it would be with Falcon.

But now that I pointed this out nothing Falcon and Mac can do from in on out can make me believe otherwise that CRichard can’t be aligned with them.

There would be 2 mafia in this grouping and one town. Who is most likely the town? We can't all be wolves.

what are the firmest reads you have right now CR

Mac and Gav are my most confident town reads as of now.
Paopan is my scum lean and I'm voting them.
Still, the lack of activity is a little concerning where I'm at.
By my site standards, I would expect the thread to be about 2x what it is now in an 11p game.

Mac still giving me paranoia and as soon as I have my vote off him he calls me town.
I’m curious what Mac would do if Sig jumped in here plopping a vote down on him.

I had in fact, called you town prior to this. Notwithstanding that I have a town meta of just townreading people who townread me and scumreading those that scumread me so it is not abnormal at all. The reason being is that I am aware when I am actually being towny and when I am being scummy, so when people are pushing me when I know I have not been scummy it is suspicious to me and is part of the reason I am able to find wolves so readily. People think omgus is bad, but it's only bad if you're a scummy town and do it. Not when you are me.

the reason I know gavial is town is because gavial wouldn't try to chop me d1 he'd just ignore my presence and n1 like the actual mafia are going to inevitably do and are doing

I love how you couldn’t think of this before when I actually had my vote on you.

Sometimes things require having played out before you can analyse them. And by sometimes I mean all the time. Notwithstanding I was pretty much begrudgingly townreading you the entirety of day 1. Third problem with this dumb fucking sentence is that I don't have the time, nor does the universe require me to articulate every single thought I have to you in particular whenever I have it. Especially when you are doing me zero favours and I'm pretty fine with you dying as town. Like get that through you head. I wish you had died d1 over sig. This game would be easier for me if that occurred. By an order of magnitude. This is me, as town, saying this to you.

I’m actually scum leaning Mac RN but clearly no one else thinks the same so it’s an uphill struggle.

When you wake up in the morning and all you see are assholes...

Also @MacDougall
Why exactly do you think the emoji poster is scum?

I said emoji posting is anti town. Hiding your alignment in a mountainous game behind a gimmick account is anti town. There is no benefit in this setup to play in anti town fashion. The easiest way for town to win is to be too towny for the mafia to contend with. Wilgy then proceeded to omgus me, and later he said "mac should know better" which is just some flaccid thing wolves say to me all the time. Wilgy knows he was being anti town so to say that is either just tilt or mafia.

My thoughts. I am enjoying this game as a change of pace. I don't feel like hyperposting is necessarily a good thing and reads pertaining to it are not solvent to me here. As long as people draw lines in the sand with the directions they take its a fine throwback to what some might say is a better time.

I am concerned about crichard. His tone is off and he sounds like his non town self just on tone and the directions he's taking.

aside from townreading me lol

Now you gonna actually state a full scum read CRich or just state that and ignore him?

If this was real life, this would be considered harassment. Why do I need to use the word "full" or go any further than what I have done in that post? You are tormenting me at this point.

@CRichard
I know I can’t convince you on Mac but I wouldn’t mind voting Sig since Sig might get replaced and it could help Alison not have to struggle finding a replacement and if Sig’s slot is wolf it could stop a real good player like Marmot or JJJ from replacing into the slot.

Mmm yes we would be in such a worse position in hindsight had Wilgy died and we got Marmot or JJJ into that slot. Mmm yes quite.

Also Mac's vote on me is weak. He knows better.

Guess I'm not emoji posting anymore since I green posted.

I have afew posts to catch up on.

Yeah bud, it’s for the best.

Give me your thoughts and your reads before the end of today please.
We have like 2 Hours left.

@DrWilgy articulate how my vote on you is weak, and what I should know better?

This is a question a discerning town Gavial should have asked instead of trying to pocket Wilgy for some asinine reason.

tl;dr Your read on me is awful. Your logic for starting to sus me was awful. Your continued tunneling was awful. The choices you made lead town into an awful outcome. If you are town your play is boxing me into antagonising you rather solving which makes me play awful which is awful. Your failure to play my slot properly is probably going to lead to me not self resolving n1 like I otherwise would have which is also awful. Stop being awful or you will be dying day 2.

FUCK YOUR STUPID BROKEN VOTE TAG

[MacDougall]

I am dumb though like I did what I did back in that one game where TSP and Jack were wolves. I voted away from the correct wagon.
I should have just let CRichard’s yeet go through.

you should have let any yeet that wasn't the 0 posting town go through including wilgy

[MacDougall]

Like people suddenly dropped their SR on CRichard when there was absolutely no reason for it and the sad part is 1 of them has to be town.

crichard correctly pushed back against your anti town play and earned themselves me not burying them... which in a roundabout way was also caused by you having played the way you are to begin with

[MacDougall]

If scum did sheep me then let me ask you this, why would they have not just voted DrWilgy?

He is very active and a good enough player to give town tell as town.

They haven’t town told but like still.

ftfy

[MacDougall]

Like Paopan took us vote off Richard why?
Wilgy never voted Richard why?

Wilgy voted to save himself.

Paopan voted to save Wilgy.

This is the obvious answer.

[MacDougall]

Or Paopan voted to ensure Crich or yourself wasn't within distance of being chopped. Also valid but less likely answers.

Why did Paopan do what they did as town Gavial. Answer me that?

[Gavial]

Voting CRichard because I really don’t like their vote on Paopan plus my Paranoia on Mac and somewhat Falcon also has a chance to include CRichard as their partner.

What's wrong with the Paopan vote?

Because he voted Paopan based on his entrance which is NAI but he didn’t like it and thought it warrants a vote. I can also easily see what Paopan OMGUS’s it.

As of now though I can see Paopan Obvious Town based on recent activity.
As for you, you haven’t town told yet so start town telling!

[MacDougall]

I am ready to say that I reckon there is a wolf between DrWilgy and Gavial lol.

Well I’m not a wolf and Wilgy is probably town.
Also, this game is barley 24 hours in so we will see if you still hold true to that read. I won’t say having a read like that barley 24 hours in is bad but as I mentioned before you feel really agenda’y.

Not really sure where this confidence in me came from. How had what I posted previous been anything but NAI?

It’s based on your actions not your posting of course.

From what I can ascertain you are townreading him because he voted you to start with and then omgussed me.

[Gavial]

You I believe were the first to vote me in the game, I thought your vote looked genuine despite lack of speech/none their of.

[Gavial]

@DrWilgy

[MacDougall]

Just gonna predict here that:
CRich, Falcon, and MightyQ are wolves.

Jumps off Crich to save Wilgy. Has Wilgy town for reasons completely unbeknownst to anyone. Picks three random names that are in the null pile of the game to scumread including someone they could have had in a tie.

[Gavial]

I am ready to say that I reckon there is a wolf between DrWilgy and Gavial lol.

Well I’m not a wolf and Wilgy is probably town.
Also, this game is barley 24 hours in so we will see if you still hold true to that read. I won’t say having a read like that barley 24 hours in is bad but as I mentioned before you feel really agenda’y.

Not really sure where this confidence in me came from. How had what I posted previous been anything but NAI?

It’s based on your actions not your posting of course.

From what I can ascertain you are townreading him because he voted you to start with and then omgussed me.

Yeah and then when you said ME AND WILGY must be voted.
Because we were both voting you after you voted him because of his gimmick.

Idk how you can scum read a gimmick tbh.

[MacDougall]

Paopan is mafia

The other one is probably between Wilgy and Gavial

But it can be Crichard.

This is the solve.

[Gavial]

His actions seemed good though that’s why I put him in towns and the more you kept accusing both me and him the better I felt about it consider the fact I think your wolf.

[MacDougall]

I am ready to say that I reckon there is a wolf between DrWilgy and Gavial lol.

Well I’m not a wolf and Wilgy is probably town.
Also, this game is barley 24 hours in so we will see if you still hold true to that read. I won’t say having a read like that barley 24 hours in is bad but as I mentioned before you feel really agenda’y.

Not really sure where this confidence in me came from. How had what I posted previous been anything but NAI?

It’s based on your actions not your posting of course.

From what I can ascertain you are townreading him because he voted you to start with and then omgussed me.

Yeah and then when you said ME AND WILGY must be voted.
Because we were both voting you after you voted him because of his gimmick.

Idk how you can scum read a gimmick tbh.

Read my wallposts. Every dumb question you've asked me in this game has been answered. I also put it in the form of a wallpost specifically because you said that I haven't made enough. So go ahead and read what you've caused to be created.

[Gavial]

I said though if your somehow town Mac I will re-eval and take a deep dive on Wilgy, mainly his non-Emoji recent posts though.

[MacDougall]

His actions seemed good though that’s why I put him in towns and the more you kept accusing both me and him the better I felt about it consider the fact I think your wolf.

Yeah so your entire worldview is flipped because you are incorrectly confirmation biasing that I am mafia and it needs to stop or town will lose this game. Start by reading and understanding the answers I have given you in my wall.

[Gavial]

Paopan is mafia

The other one is probably between Wilgy and Gavial

But it can be Crichard.

This is the solve.

Paopan is Obvious fucking town.


I’m honestly to the point that I’ll vote an obvious town just so everyone here can see your wolf and vote you out.

[Gavial]

Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?

[MacDougall]

I said though if your somehow town Mac I will re-eval and take a deep dive on Wilgy, mainly his non-Emoji recent posts though.

On the very off chance you flip me in this game, I'd imagine there'd be a 1% chance town would win from there. So if your idea of solving this game is predicated on needing confirmation of my alignment, then you are actively preventing me from winning this game as town and I need to win this game to get to the top of the all time wins list so kindly change your mind or die.

[MacDougall]

Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?

No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.

[Gavial]

I said though if your somehow town Mac I will re-eval and take a deep dive on Wilgy, mainly his non-Emoji recent posts though.

On the very off chance you flip me in this game, I'd imagine there'd be a 1% chance town would win from there. So if your idea of solving this game is predicated on needing confirmation of my alignment, then you are actively preventing me from winning this game as town and I need to win this game to get to the top of the all time wins list so kindly change your mind or die.

You are literally doing the same thing with the Obvious Town Paopan RN.

[Gavial]

Like as I said.
I’ll throw and vote an Obvious Town which is Paopan if at that point people will stop throwing and vote you next.

[Gavial]

Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?

No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.

You think your better then me!?!?!?


Every heard of equality.

[MacDougall]

Paopan is mafia

The other one is probably between Wilgy and Gavial

But it can be Crichard.

This is the solve.

Paopan is Obvious fucking town.


I’m honestly to the point that I’ll vote an obvious town just so everyone here can see your wolf and vote you out.

Why is Paopan obvious town?

If Paopan is town, and you are town. Then why Wilgy was saved because I am town and one more vote on Wilgy gets them over the 0 poster.

Why was Wilgy saved?

Wilgy is mafia, or?

Wilgy is town and the mafia didn't care about what was happening that EOD at all?

But, I am mafia to you? So what was I doing? What is the agenda behind me trying to get random town Wilgy over? Because I am scared of him? If so, is Crich my partner? Did me and my partner just out ourselves d1 because we were so desperate to get Wilgy out while you and Paopan buried a 0 poster?

Or is it that my partner was off wagon cuz neither of us were under threat? My partner is Falcon?

Okay so Falcon and Crich are the mafia if you, Paopan and Wilgy are town.

[Gavial]

Mac still can’t figure out why they came up with the Falcon - Miss Caro team Lmao.

[MacDougall]

Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?

No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.

You think your better then me!?!?!?


Every heard of equality.

I think I am better than you at mafia yes. I don't think you'd find a single person that disagrees with that statement that has ever played with either of us.

[Gavial]

@MacDougall
What’s your read on MightyQ and Lime Coke?

[MacDougall]

Mac still can’t figure out why they came up with the Falcon - Miss Caro team Lmao.

Antagonism and mocking is no way to learn.

Herp derp this here scienterst thinks the earth is a sphere... what a nincompoop.

[Gavial]

Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?

No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.

You think your better then me!?!?!?


Every heard of equality.

I think I am better than you at mafia yes. I don't think you'd find a single person that disagrees with that statement that has ever played with either of us.

Excuse me I can solve better if you wanna play that game.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall
What’s your read on MightyQ and Lime Coke?

In this gamestate they are both just probably town.

But if I took away all the context MightyQ would be null and Lime Coke strong town.

[Gavial]

I use the Muscles above to determine my solve.

You conjure up something based on Vote OCD and state some random team involving Falcon.

[MacDougall]

Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?

No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.

You think your better then me!?!?!?


Every heard of equality.

I think I am better than you at mafia yes. I don't think you'd find a single person that disagrees with that statement that has ever played with either of us.

Excuse me I can solve better if you wanna play that game.

Yes this game sure is a testament to that.

[MacDougall]

I use the Muscles above to determine my solve.

You conjure up something based on Vote OCD and state some random team involving Falcon.

You say things that only make sense in your head and then get confused that other people don't get it.

Which might be fine in a one player game in which being a mad genius works.

But mafia is a social game.

[MacDougall]

I use the Muscles above to determine my solve.

You conjure up something based on Vote OCD and state some random team involving Falcon.

This is a perspective slip. You are revealing that you in fact believe that I was genuinely solving.

[MacDougall]

I mean no disrespect Gavial. I actually rate your play at times. But your playstyle is destructive to town when you get on a bad tangent. And in this game you made an immediate tactical error and have done nothing but confirmation bias off the back of it the entire game. Of course if I was mafia and you were doing this, it would be redeemable because at least in post you'd be able to say you were right, but I wouldn't give a single fuck tbh because as mafia I kind of revel in wrestling with people who sound crazy as it allows me to be productive without having to solve and I get to push mafia agenda (Gavial is dumb) without having to make anything up.

I have of course seen you get on these tangents and have correct reads before, but because of your insistence in pushing them and inability to articulate them to people without relying on crazy tunneling you rarely get anyone over. So you value yourself by your accuracy in post vs. your ability to help your alignment win, which you really need to learn how to overcome because it's a team game with the goal of winning, not a Gavial's right on his hero reads on the way to a town loss game.

For future reference. There is a correct way to handle dealing with me in a game like this, and it's simply to wait for the mafia to kill me, or to not kill me. But if you are town, the way you have played this day 1 has resulted in taking that off the table.

The only way that your play actually is correct, is if you are mafia. I would applaud your play here if you were because I've actually never seen a wolf try to do this to me before and it's working pretty good.

[Gavial]

I use the Muscles above to determine my solve.

You conjure up something based on Vote OCD and state some random team involving Falcon.

This is a perspective slip. You are revealing that you in fact believe that I was genuinely solving.

You act like I can’t make a solve as mafia.
Lmao.
Unlike You, Paopan actually makes legit Derp clears.

[Gavial]

My Playstyle ain’t destructive to town.
I’m talking and all everyone else has to do is talk back to Gavial.
Share with Gavial.
Open up with Gavial.
Gavial will hard carry.