The Molly Maguires Mafia (ENDGAME)

[Esooa]

i have also seen kami hard bus as scum before, but it was in a much larger game and 2v7 kind of changes how momentous and game-defining a hellbus position can be

lol

[iaafr]

nothing ender's posted has given you doubt?

i feel like im almost going crazy but im not the type to hard defend even if he's my 2nd top town atp

[Alison]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

Remind me again why you think there can't be two wolves in that trifecta?

I don't see it likely that the only 2 wolves in a 9p mountainous would immediately hard-align.

If there is than one of them is probably Mac but I also was kinda townreading him earlier so

1) Why not?

2) You've suspected both me and Kami way more than you've suspected Mac, and you actually pointed out earlier that Kami initially sussed me and then pivoted to you for vague reasons. Given those thoughts, I'd expect you to find a Kami-Alison wolfteam most likely, not a Mac-X wolfteam. The fact that Kami came in calling my tone wolfy and awkward lines up with your own theory that wolves would be uncomfortable hard aligning instantly, so... why isn't that team higher up in your list of possibilities?

3) Why do you think a wolf is pushing you at all, anyway? Me/Mac/Kami are all hardheaded townies who will tunnel their first suspect, even if that person is town. If you're town, can't the wolves be sitting back and eating popcorn while watching us kill you?

[iaafr]

i dont think kami hellbussing ender from page 1 with v!alison correctly tunneling ender and letting people know it's in w!kami's wheelhouse is like

an actual winning gameplan in the slightest

and maybe these kinds of reads are stupid but

yea blah blah still have individual TRs too

[iaafr]

Absolutely. It's more I find her reactions to people not agreeing with her push to be the kinda rand!w things.

ender can you quote some of these reactions that you found wolfy?

[EnderWiggin]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

Remind me again why you think there can't be two wolves in that trifecta?

I don't see it likely that the only 2 wolves in a 9p mountainous would immediately hard-align.

If there is than one of them is probably Mac but I also was kinda townreading him earlier so

1) Why not?

2) You've suspected both me and Kami way more than you've suspected Mac, and you actually pointed out earlier that Kami initially sussed me and then pivoted to you for vague reasons. Given those thoughts, I'd expect you to find a Kami-Alison wolfteam most likely, not a Mac-X wolfteam. The fact that Kami came in calling my tone wolfy and awkward lines up with your own theory that wolves would be uncomfortable hard aligning instantly, so... why isn't that team higher up in your list of possibilities?

3) Why do you think a wolf is pushing you at all, anyway? Me/Mac/Kami are all hardheaded townies who will tunnel their first suspect, even if that person is town. If you're town, can't the wolves be sitting back and eating popcorn while watching us kill you?

1. Wolves have a standard approach to try and keep each other away. Power Wolfing is more a learned art where I see most wolves avoid buddying up with each other early. I find it less likely that that's changed here. Especially as 2 of the people involved are pretty competent bus-style wolves.

It's quite possible I'm being punked but I don't think I am.

2. Kami-Alison I've seen before and it didn't look like this back then. I don't think this is how it looks right now. I don't care what you think my reads should be, the simple fact is that this look doesn't make me think kami/alison is a thing, therefore IF there are 2 Mac-X makes most sense to me.

That being said I also don't think there's 2 in there so.

3. Because this push has little revision and I have a few townreads outside of the trio. But that being said, I'm open to looking at options where it's v/v/v because that is absolutely not an impossible world.

[EnderWiggin]

Absolutely. It's more I find her reactions to people not agreeing with her push to be the kinda rand!w things.

ender can you quote some of these reactions that you found wolfy?

Coaxing Esooa to sheep her on me.

This reaction with Mac

Those were the two worst.

Also her Kami flip was kinda weird too.

[iaafr]

thanks

i don't take issue with either of those posts individually (the first one is maybe a bit lamist? but like it implies an underlying assumption that creating the wagon would lead to good things for the gamestate so i dont hate it from v perspective) but yea i've already noted having issue with her turn on kami

[iaafr]

you didn't actually but your reasons for scum reading him are not things I agree with in the slightest

Why not just sheep me for a bit and see how things go? There's no need to pick apart a case you don't agree with on page 2, just sit back and watch how they react for a bit.

I don't think you need to call someone a wolf without disagreement in thread for reactions to be AI

shrug I just like watching stuff early on without putting my finger in it unless I feel strongly that they are town.

looking back at that page though, this does kind of hit one of my pet wolftells that "spelling out the pro town value behind ones own playstyle in real time can be wolfy" (kinda related to LAMIST)

not like a lock outing red flag but yea

[Kami]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

Apparently I'm not allowed to sus people who sus me.

Also.

Again.

I have explicitly said that there is one scum (at least) outside the Mac/Kami/Alison trifecta of people who are at least pseudopushing me.

Which implies I am currently working out who isn't pushing me that is scum.

Which implies that my scumlist actually isn't all the people pushing me.

You can sus whoever you want but when your only reason for voting someone is "they sus me" basically
thats sus tbh

[Kami]

If Kami is scum Ender is her most likely partner.

If Kami is town you should definitely dunk on Ender for being her top scumread that's trying to kill her.

Ender's sole sus list is people who sus him.

Vote Ender out.

explain the first thought

because part of my issue with your worldview is I'm not sure it's that realistic to jump to kami hardbussing ender the way enders been acting

Why isn't that bus realistic?

Kami is just sitting here repeating "Ender is outed" over and over, he's right about that. Scum are way more likely to do that to a partner than to a random townie.

his reaction feels unaligned and i feel like a kami/ender wolfteam would have them both doing different things right now, but that's just vague conjecture and not backed by anything concrete

i mean im townreading him and i have trouble agreeing with any of the wolfreads on him so that's coloring my view

kami's most recent reaction to your post also reads as "not actually a player who is actually bussing ender"

I don't really see anything super unaligned about that reaction. I'm not really pushing a Kami/Ender scumteam as fact, I'm just saying that Ender seems likely scum to me regardless of Kami's alignment.

The Kami reaction to my bus theory is a shrug. She's treating Ender in a very similar way to the way she treated Transcend in BTAS (where she hard bussed him in), where she just turns on the aggression and shouts that the other person is an evil conniving scum over and over.

yo thats me every game tho

[iaafr]

hey kami do you have a read on alison atp

[Kami]

Ender
Alisonn
Esooa
Iaafr

both scum are in this list i guarantee it

[Kami]

hey kami do you have a read on alison atp

idk what atp means

[iaafr]

hey kami do you have a read on alison atp

idk what atp means

at this point

but ok you putting her in your bottom 4 lets me know shes in your bottom 4

[iaafr]

esooa i miss ur words can u bring light to this game

[Esooa]

esooa i miss ur words can u bring light to this game

112 is outed

[Kami]

esooa i miss ur words can u bring light to this game

112 is outed

ok

[Esooa]

it's true

[Lime Coke]

hey kami do you have a read on alison atp

idk what atp means

at this point

but ok you putting her in your bottom 4 lets me know shes in your bottom 4

I need to write that one down somewhere.

[Kami]

esooa ur just so underwhelming bruh

[iaafr]

one paranoid world ive floated is "esooa is spending her energy coaching LC how to play scum" but whatevz we'll let em have it if thats the world

[Esooa]

esooa ur just so underwhelming bruh

[iaafr]

[Esooa]

I'm here to look cute and be innocent and I'm WINNING

[Kami]

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

no simp for u bud

[Lime Coke]

one paranoid world ive floated is "esooa is spending her energy coaching LC how to play scum" but whatevz we'll let em have it if thats the world

I feel like you've floated his world before in another game, and it hasn't happened yet.

[iaafr]

one paranoid world ive floated is "esooa is spending her energy coaching LC how to play scum" but whatevz we'll let em have it if thats the world

I feel like you've floated his world before in another game, and it hasn't happened yet.

yea i mightve mentioned it offhand in champs but different lmao

i dont actually believe in it because i dont think coached you quite looks like this anyway

[Esooa]

lmao spending my energy, I got no energy to write my own posts I've been writing too many for LC

[Lime Coke]

lmao spending my energy, I got no energy to write my own posts I've been writing too many for LC

You would know how Alison felt during Guillo's JOATed game here trying to get me to do shit.

[Lime Coke]

Or you'd just take the Hally JackTown route and bury me to death and continuing on to power wolf.

The choices are endless.

[Lime Coke]

@EnderWiggin

Next time you're on can you give me who you think is town and reasons behind it?

[MacDougall]

My money is on Kami and Esooa being the mafia

[Alison]

I don't understand how people have a confident read on Esooa when she has done nothing alignment indicative and has clearly indicated she intends to slank through the game.

[iaafr]

who's expressed a confident read?

[Esooa]

I don't understand how people have a confident read on Esooa when she has done nothing alignment indicative and has clearly indicated she intends to slank through the game.

wdym slank through the game

[Alison]

who's expressed a confident read?

Mac just did.

[Alison]

You also had your meta tell think, I guess you kinda walked back the confidence on it but I had you in mind as well.

[Alison]

I don't understand how people have a confident read on Esooa when she has done nothing alignment indicative and has clearly indicated she intends to slank through the game.

wdym slank through the game

Low effort it I guess. Or at least the early part of it. Like you did in G5.

[Esooa]

I don't understand how people have a confident read on Esooa when she has done nothing alignment indicative and has clearly indicated she intends to slank through the game.

wdym slank through the game

Low effort it I guess. Or at least the early part of it. Like you did in G5.

well I'm reading posts

[iaafr]

it was honestly a pretty bad meta tell that esooa herself showed awareness enough of to be able to do as scum so yea

also i walk back even stuff i call lock town or lock scum pretty regularly

macs callout is interesting but does not inspire confidence, neither in it being correct nor it being town indicative for him

[Esooa]

I'm pretty sure we hit a wolf today anyways

[Esooa]

because 112 is outed

[iaafr]

@112 pls

pls

[iaafr]

esooa b real r u just calling 112 outed because u wanna be shane warne calling adam outed

[iaafr]

i know you dont believe in vaporwave but this is such a banger

[Esooa]

esooa b real r u just calling 112 outed because u wanna be shane warne calling adam outed

no it's because I want them to flip wolf and then people scum read me for my posts

[EnderWiggin]

Soon enough we'll have used the word outed enough that it loses all meaning.

[Esooa]

kami 112 = wolf

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin

Next time you're on can you give me who you think is town and reasons behind it?

You for meta reasons.
Iaafr because towny worldbuilding + questioning

Weakish townreads on:
Esooa
Mac

The two above for varying degrees of belligerence (For Mac) and self-awareness (for Esooa) that is rand!v for them.

Questioning:
Kami - Because I actually think this is markedly different from scum games I've played with her.

Which leaves a descending POE of:
112
Luckbox
Alison
Ender