Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Dolby]

NAA, out of the people who got onto the Seanzie wagon in the last 30 minutes (I think this is NAA, TSP, Nanook if we don't count Sabie), whom do you think looks worst?

What did you think about the wagon compositions of Seanzie and Sabie? How much did Mac's presence on Seanzie influence your decision to be on there

I wouldn't characterize Sabie's wagon as rapid growth personally. Stale wagon, up until the CFD started yes, but not that.

Why didn't you talk about the Seanzie/Mac dynamic yesterday?

[Dolby]

NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?

I thought Sabie was mafia, I voted Sabie, and the vote count/voters creeped me out. I also figured there was a very good chance one of Seanzie // Mac was mafia based on their interactions.

ok cool

Can I get reads on people who are not Sabie, Guillo, and Mac

I don't like LinearPoint or Falcon, I would kill either in a heartbeat.

why LinearPoint

she talks about mech to much maybe, but so do I

[Dolby]

falcon I don't really have thoughts on

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA, out of the people who got onto the Seanzie wagon in the last 30 minutes (I think this is NAA, TSP, Nanook if we don't count Sabie), whom do you think looks worst?

What did you think about the wagon compositions of Seanzie and Sabie? How much did Mac's presence on Seanzie influence your decision to be on there

I wouldn't characterize Sabie's wagon as rapid growth personally. Stale wagon, up until the CFD started yes, but not that.

Why didn't you talk about the Seanzie/Mac dynamic yesterday?

Nanook if I had to pick, but I don't think either look especially bad for it.

I don't think much of the wagon composition, I think Mafia were resigned to Sabie dying and already had their votes planted, likely 1 on 3 off of Sabie

I wouldn't really characterize what happened yesterday as a CFD given that I'm the only person who moved from Sabie to Seanzie, no other major wagons changed... Or existed for that matter.

I didn't talk yesterday.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@falcon45ca

When you get on let me know your full thought process on Gavial.

I feel I've outlined my feelings on Gav's slot pretty clearly. Do you have a specific question in mind?


I'd put Gav at 72% scum

This is actually a funny (funny haha) post

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?

I thought Sabie was mafia, I voted Sabie, and the vote count/voters creeped me out. I also figured there was a very good chance one of Seanzie // Mac was mafia based on their interactions.

ok cool

Can I get reads on people who are not Sabie, Guillo, and Mac

I don't like LinearPoint or Falcon, I would kill either in a heartbeat.

why LinearPoint

she talks about mech to much maybe, but so do I

You're not talking about mech here.

[NotAnAxehole]

I seem to remember LinearPoint being present at EoD, and not commenting on the Seanzie wagon at all despite prompts from myself to take action.

[Dolby]

NAA, out of the people who got onto the Seanzie wagon in the last 30 minutes (I think this is NAA, TSP, Nanook if we don't count Sabie), whom do you think looks worst?

What did you think about the wagon compositions of Seanzie and Sabie? How much did Mac's presence on Seanzie influence your decision to be on there

I wouldn't characterize Sabie's wagon as rapid growth personally. Stale wagon, up until the CFD started yes, but not that.

Why didn't you talk about the Seanzie/Mac dynamic yesterday?

Nanook if I had to pick, but I don't think either look especially bad for it.

I don't think much of the wagon composition, I think Mafia were resigned to Sabie dying and already had their votes planted, likely 1 on 3 off of Sabie

I wouldn't really characterize what happened yesterday as a CFD given that I'm the only person who moved from Sabie to Seanzie, no other major wagons changed... Or existed for that matter.

I didn't talk yesterday.

Gav wagon actually completely dissolved, it had all blue names on it (Nanook and Sabie, who switched to Seanzie, and Marmot, who stayed). About an hour before EoD it was ahead Seanzie wagon.

I personally think that there's one mafia in addition to Sabie on Seanzie and it's you or Nanook most likely

if it's Nanook than Gav is probs town but I'm not familiar enough with mid day wagon dynamics tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wagon dissolving on Gav mostly is probably Gav dynamics, would say that Nanook being a wolf would make Gav wolf more likely on wagonomics

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

[Dolby]

Wagon dissolving on Gav mostly is probably Gav dynamics, would say that Nanook being a wolf would make Gav wolf more likely on wagonomics

why?

That'd mean maf encouraged w/w wagons to form if I'm understanding how day went correctly

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA, out of the people who got onto the Seanzie wagon in the last 30 minutes (I think this is NAA, TSP, Nanook if we don't count Sabie), whom do you think looks worst?

What did you think about the wagon compositions of Seanzie and Sabie? How much did Mac's presence on Seanzie influence your decision to be on there

I wouldn't characterize Sabie's wagon as rapid growth personally. Stale wagon, up until the CFD started yes, but not that.

Why didn't you talk about the Seanzie/Mac dynamic yesterday?

Nanook if I had to pick, but I don't think either look especially bad for it.

I don't think much of the wagon composition, I think Mafia were resigned to Sabie dying and already had their votes planted, likely 1 on 3 off of Sabie

I wouldn't really characterize what happened yesterday as a CFD given that I'm the only person who moved from Sabie to Seanzie, no other major wagons changed... Or existed for that matter.

I didn't talk yesterday.

Gav wagon actually completely dissolved, it had all blue names on it (Nanook and Sabie, who switched to Seanzie, and Marmot, who stayed). About an hour before EoD it was ahead Seanzie wagon.

I personally think that there's one mafia in addition to Sabie on Seanzie and it's you or Nanook most likely

if it's Nanook than Gav is probs town but I'm not familiar enough with mid day wagon dynamics tbh

I think Gav is probably town regardless of Nanook's alignment.

[NotAnAxehole]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

I wasn't, I just quietly voted, Someone did document when I switched my vote though...

[NotAnAxehole]

It's in Martin's ISO.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think wolves didn’t ever push Sabie wagon and would have just had someone lightly on it, Gav would get bussed by Nanook just for the fun of it and Sabie placing a shaky vote on Gav is the sort of thing that would actively be encouraged. Wolf Sabie has a hard time like doing things so votes on teammates is sorta likely

[Dolby]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

I think there being more than one there would be weird because that'd mean 3 mafia switched to Seanzie last minute, with you switching from Sabie like one minute before eod

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mod put iso links in intro please

[Dolby]

tbh I don't want to accept TSP as clear because saying "oh I was targetted on Sabie" is a real easy way to get towncred imo

[Dolby]

I do still think he's likely town

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

I think there being more than one there would be weird because that'd mean 3 mafia switched to Seanzie last minute, with you switching from Sabie like one minute before eod

I think this doesn’t flow and think there might be a typo(?)

[NotAnAxehole]

@Dolby @TonyStarkPrime

Interestingly enough, NAA went from Dyslexicon -> Marmot -> Sabie

If I remember correctly. They aren't posting their votes but I think they've jumped twice now.

Gavial
3 Voters: Marmot, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Sabie12
Guillotine
1 Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005
3 Voters: Gavial, Dyslexicon, Lime Coke
MacDougall
1 Voters: DrWilgy
Marmot
1 Voters: falcon45casabie12
Sabie12
6 Voters: Seanzie, NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, LinearPoint, Guillotine, MartinGG99
Seanzie
1 Voters: MacDougall

[NotAnAxehole]

^ just to show that I don't exclusively lie as villager, I was 2nd on the Sabie wagon.

[Dolby]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

I think there being more than one there would be weird because that'd mean 3 mafia switched to Seanzie last minute, with you switching from Sabie like one minute before eod

I think this doesn’t flow and think there might be a typo(?)

basically

whole bunch of mafia switching to Seanzie requires a town stooge as well just given the vote difference

it probably required 2 town in that

[NotAnAxehole]

idk, I really like JoH and Mac kills based on what I'm seeing there tbh. I also think Falcon is a good kill because he was actively trying to get the kill off a Sabie and seemed to have given up and wasn't present at EoD (which plays into what I was saying... I really think Mafia expected Sabie to die yesterday)

[NotAnAxehole]

I’d also say no more than one of Nanook/NAA but also probably at least one(?) like that’s a weird dynamic

I believe that I voted Sabie first of the three but NAA might have been hammering away on vote Sabie in thread already, I wasn’t really paying attention

I think there being more than one there would be weird because that'd mean 3 mafia switched to Seanzie last minute, with you switching from Sabie like one minute before eod

I think this doesn’t flow and think there might be a typo(?)

basically

whole bunch of mafia switching to Seanzie requires a town stooge as well just given the vote difference

it probably required 2 town in that

TSP switched knowing he could ride the high without any of the backlash because I assumed that position for him... Always in the shadows.

[Dolby]

@Dolby @TonyStarkPrime

Interestingly enough, NAA went from Dyslexicon -> Marmot -> Sabie

If I remember correctly. They aren't posting their votes but I think they've jumped twice now.

Gavial
3 Voters: Marmot, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Sabie12
Guillotine
1 Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005
3 Voters: Gavial, Dyslexicon, Lime Coke
MacDougall
1 Voters: DrWilgy
Marmot
1 Voters: falcon45casabie12
Sabie12
6 Voters: Seanzie, NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, LinearPoint, Guillotine, MartinGG99
Seanzie
1 Voters: MacDougall

I'm reasonably sure that vote order in polls here aren't dependent on voting order but I should probably check or be informed by someone who actually knows

Mac claimed to have been first voter on seanzie and not moved iirc so there's that

[Dolby]

lol im dumb

time to read the mac iso

[NotAnAxehole]

@Dolby @TonyStarkPrime

Interestingly enough, NAA went from Dyslexicon -> Marmot -> Sabie

If I remember correctly. They aren't posting their votes but I think they've jumped twice now.

Gavial
3 Voters: Marmot, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Sabie12
Guillotine
1 Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005
3 Voters: Gavial, Dyslexicon, Lime Coke
MacDougall
1 Voters: DrWilgy
Marmot
1 Voters: falcon45casabie12
Sabie12
6 Voters: Seanzie, NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, LinearPoint, Guillotine, MartinGG99
Seanzie
1 Voters: MacDougall

I'm reasonably sure that vote order in polls here aren't dependent on voting order but I should probably check or be informed by someone who actually knows

Mac claimed to have been first voter on seanzie and not moved iirc so there's that

I mean, we can literally demonstrate that right now.

[NotAnAxehole]

Regardless of where I move my vote right now, I'm always last

[Dolby]

yeah i just did to myself

[NotAnAxehole]

vote order is conserved in the poll

[Dolby]

if mac really woke up at 4 am his time to do voting shenanigans that's super lol

cause he voted after NAA apparently

[NotAnAxehole]

Legendary

[NotAnAxehole]

And also wolf LOL

[Dolby]

I was legit thinking order wasn't preserved bc of what he said and thinking that he voted Seanzie early in day

[NotAnAxehole]

idk, I thought it was always in order, if it is, Mac is 100% wolf, if it's not, he's only very likely wolf, but yeah... Fuck if I know how the tech here works (or doesn't work).

[NotAnAxehole]

By the way, whoever role blocked me last night can feel free to waste their action on me again tonight. I don't mind.

[Guillotine]

I think I'm coming getting to NAA maf but I'm not understanding the Mac simping tbh

If I'm mafia, I don't start the wagon on my mafia partner Sabie, there's no reason to. If you want to argue that I didn't, you can go back and see people saying that I was voting to "scare people off of the wagon"... Which clearly indicates that I started it.

You didnt start it boy. You were third on it.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think I'm coming getting to NAA maf but I'm not understanding the Mac simping tbh

If I'm mafia, I don't start the wagon on my mafia partner Sabie, there's no reason to. If you want to argue that I didn't, you can go back and see people saying that I was voting to "scare people off of the wagon"... Which clearly indicates that I started it.

You didnt start it boy. You were third on it.

lel

[Gavial]

Its obvious Gav didn't read before posting.
But is notweorthy their first thought is that the kill was to frame Sabie and not Jack or Sig who I also mentioned Sabie was pushing.
Not 100% this is Mafia, but I'm not quite likeing Gav's chances at flipping Town here.

Sabie was also very off and on about voting Gav. They were at first, but ultimately gave Gav a pass for just being annoying.
Frankly I would look into it more, but that interaction was like 3 pages long.

Ah, I mean if Sabie is Mafia I wouldn’t mind getting ML’ed to this.
Even though the reason Sabie didn’t vote me is because my wagon was losing traction so Sabie needed a vote elsewhere because they knew I wouldn’t go through.

If Sabie is Town, it means mafia framed Sabie so they die today and I’m definitely never getting ML’ed in anyone’s right mind.
It also probably does spew players mafia such as Nanook and did you say something about Marmot having to do with Sabie as well?

"If sabie flips town, nanook is mafia"
"If sabie is mafia, nanook is mafia"

Dude just say you have a massive crush on me already and move on

NANOOK YOUR FUCKING SEXY I JUST WANNA SQUEEZE YOUR ARMS!

[Gavial]

Aside from role mechanics, what do you think about the game?

fuck if I know lol

at least one CFDer is a wolf

I like LP

I like Guillo

Marmot is town and Sabie's a wolf

someone else had 3 votes yesterday and the fact that Seanzie went over is whack

I'm going with TSP town for the moment

Gullio why?
Explain.

[Gavial]

Just don't think NAA is ever worth a lynch. He just acts like a Jester always.

He always wolf sides as town in every game i see him play. In the last one i played with him he was a town rolecop, he trolled the game then he outted another town pr in the thread which was what the wolves needed to soup kill almost the rest of the town as wolves figured out the rest of the prs thanks to him. I stopped playing here for a while after that, he lives to troll games, he does not play to towns wincon and the worse is that this board lets him get away with it.

Yeah I honestly felt like this as well when I played with him and watched him play my game, literally voting out confirmed town by not reading my setup that technically confirms them.

In another game though he didn’t play that badly so he isn’t a complete troll but he definitely does scum side most of the time and is mostly anti-town.

[Gavial]

My issue is I tend to tunnel allot but I’m trying to work on it so I don’t do it as much.

I still believe your wolf though Guillotine based on the events of Day 1 and everything you did then.

[Gavial]

I mean legitimately no one town read Dizzy from what I saw.

I might've been one of the select few to have voiced it at one point when they fussed at Gav.

I think read accuracy may have had less to do with Dizzy though as I could imagine the impression of witnessing a strong experienced player (who did like 100x more than Mac) while also potentially being a good doc dodge target.

I don't think its a good idea to nail down a single possibility as the "likeliest" possibility though as in my personal experience NKA is increasingly unreliable the larger a mafia team is. Or, at least, I don't remember NKA working very well for me.

This is a wolf trying to discredit the reads of their biggest threat whom they killed.

I think Martin is town tbh.
I can get your point here though, I’ll consider Martin as wolf if you somehow flip Town.

I’ll say this much, the fact wolves kept me alive (rather your one of them or not.) and killed my scum read, they just made the game easier for me to solve them.

[Gavial]

I think if I had to name my biggest town read of my town reads it’ll be Dolby as he’s the only one that doesn’t give me any bit of scum paranoia.

[Guillotine]

My issue is I tend to tunnel allot but I’m trying to work on it so I don’t do it as much.

I still believe your wolf though Guillotine based on the events of Day 1 and everything you did then.

Like i said before, thanks for spewing me town if you are a wolf and if you are town… well, you are wrong and frankly i dont have time to give credence to your tunnel so have at it. From where i stand im night kill material and you are lynch material, to paint a realistic picture of day 1 events for you.

[Gavial]

NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?

I thought Sabie was mafia, I voted Sabie, and the vote count/voters creeped me out. I also figured there was a very good chance one of Seanzie // Mac was mafia based on their interactions.

I don’t hate this post as I believe Sean/Falcon/Guillo contain at least 1 wolf and Sean is dead and flipped town.

[Gavial]

@Guillotine
Tell me again why you scum read LP before and how now you Town read LP and why?

[Gavial]

My issue is I tend to tunnel allot but I’m trying to work on it so I don’t do it as much.

I still believe your wolf though Guillotine based on the events of Day 1 and everything you did then.

Like i said before, thanks for spewing me town if you are a wolf and if you are town… well, you are wrong and frankly i dont have time to give credence to your tunnel so have at it. From where i stand im night kill material and you are lynch material, to paint a realistic picture of day 1 events for you.

What makes you think your a good night kill target?

[Gavial]

NAA can I get your takes distinct from the situation surrounding Sabie's D1 wagon?

I thought Sabie was mafia, I voted Sabie, and the vote count/voters creeped me out. I also figured there was a very good chance one of Seanzie // Mac was mafia based on their interactions.

ok cool

Can I get reads on people who are not Sabie, Guillo, and Mac

I don't like LinearPoint or Falcon, I would kill either in a heartbeat.

Ok. Are you brave enough to vote Falcon?