Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[LinearPoint]

ok so why is red pyro outed mafia and why is wilgy only ever mafia with tsp?

Well for TSP to be Mafia fishing for Red Pyro, that means Blue Pyro has to be Mafia.
If Blue Pyro is Mafia, then it has to be Wiggly who already claimed Pyro.
TSP wouldn't need to fish for Red Pyro if he already knew it was Wiggly.
So logically, TSP only fishes for Red Pyro knowing Blue Pyro is Mafia and Blue Pyro is already known to him which is Wiggly who has to be Blue Pyro.

ok and is wilgy like green checked or anything? cuz this seems plausible to me.

No he isn't.

[Dolby]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

[MacDougall]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

[MacDougall]

why have game hosts stopped putting iso links up it's rly annoying

[TonyStarkPrime]

why have game hosts stopped putting iso links up it's rly annoying

mindmeld mac town

[Dolby]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

[MacDougall]

yo

NAA is on Guillo with exactly 1 vote after Guillo did a certain thing

tbh I think that's greedy town lmao, and I'd discourage him from being on Guillo at Eod

yo I am dedicating an entire post to this garbage

[MacDougall]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

and you base that on what?

[MacDougall]

why have game hosts stopped putting iso links up it's rly annoying

mindmeld mac town

I sure am

[NotAnAxehole]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

and you base that on what?

I think they're scummy. At least one of you and Dolby is mafia.

[MacDougall]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

and you base that on what?

I think they're scummy. At least one of you and Dolby is mafia.

well it's not me and I can prove it by quoting the towniest post in the game

[MacDougall]

I wouldn’t worry about Sabie long term though

fuck that sabie dies today

this post occurred many hours prior to her being red checked

[Dolby]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

and you base that on what?

"the posts are scummy"
"why"
"they just are"

and no one else who wasn't scumreading me already agreed (I'm including NAA but tbh I don't understand him at all)

[MacDougall]

bonus quote of tsp being outed mafia there too

[NotAnAxehole]

I wouldn’t worry about Sabie long term though

fuck that sabie dies today

this post occurred many hours prior to her being red checked

Oh yeah, Sabie should have died yesterday tbh.

[LinearPoint]

TSP said the were viging Sabie N2 so that isn't sus they are saying Sabie is fine to let live.

[MacDougall]

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

and you base that on what?

"the posts are scummy"
"why"
"they just are"

and no one else who wasn't scumreading me already agreed (I'm including NAA but tbh I don't understand him at all)

nobody thinks those posts are mafia because nobody has agreed with me except the guy that agreed even though I only just made the posts and only like 3 people would have even registered me making this read so far oh and also falcon seems to kind of agree also so...

[Dolby]

TSP said the were viging Sabie N2 so that isn't sus they are saying Sabie is fine to let live.

also them claiming I don't think is a common maf move since it locks them out of their N2 shot

[MacDougall]

TSP said the were viging Sabie N2 so that isn't sus they are saying Sabie is fine to let live.

stop being so rational and aware of the nuance of everything it's useful and annoying

[MacDougall]

TSP said the were viging Sabie N2 so that isn't sus they are saying Sabie is fine to let live.

also them claiming I don't think is a common maf move since it locks them out of their N2 shot

sounds like someone defending their wolfbro

[LinearPoint]

TSP said the were viging Sabie N2 so that isn't sus they are saying Sabie is fine to let live.

also them claiming I don't think is a common maf move since it locks them out of their N2 shot

Honestly I'd only see if happening if Mafia has a pyro to redirect the kill with.
Then maybe they can get away with "confirming" TSP as Town that way.

[MacDougall]

I, too, have been fooled a few times by mafia jack. I feel like I can never read him. I'm not sure I've ever seen mafia falcon or just don't remember so not sure if there is a difference, but I didn't see anything outright scummy with him so far. Gavial I think is also a bit harder to read. I saw that people kind of jumped on voting him pretty quick into the day.

well one of these three is mafia lol

[MacDougall]

I, too, have been fooled a few times by mafia jack. I feel like I can never read him. I'm not sure I've ever seen mafia falcon or just don't remember so not sure if there is a difference, but I didn't see anything outright scummy with him so far. Gavial I think is also a bit harder to read. I saw that people kind of jumped on voting him pretty quick into the day.

Pls more prescriptive less descriptive statements

Sure I can elaborate. I don't think we can judge Jack's alignment yet as he hasn't been here even if he has been tricky in the past. I was unsure as to why everyone jumped so quickly on the gav train so early on. I guess that stems from me taking a little longer to process things in the beginning of games before figuring things out. From my experience, I feel like there are sometimes players who often get scumread early on whether they are town or scum. I've seen this happen to sig and to gavial for example and it seems to have happened here.

down to just kill gavial and jack next based on this post

[MacDougall]

Trying to sort out the LP Guillo argument. I think meta reads can be open to interpretation like two people can see someone's play in different ways. So I feel like falcon seemed like his usual town self to me far but I don't know him as well as others might. My wilgy meta is telling me his random mumble posting is towny.

I think this post makes Wilgy town and casts doubt on falcon

[MacDougall]

Same question @sabie12

Eh guillo thinks I can't read and dyslexicon didn't like that I hadn't provided much content or reads yet and is trying to get me to participate more.

guillo town sadly

[MacDougall]

Yeah not sure why voting for me to spite gav makes any sense or is helpful. Its odd and seems counterproductive but okay. Might just be like people throwing things around to see what happens. I think dyslexicon seems like town that tried to see what I'd do with a vote on me but then guillo and tsp votes I'm less sure about. Would it make sense that mafia would be like oh hey there's a vote on sabie let's just jump on it to seem involved? Maybe one of them is but I don't think all 3.

I believe this post outs tsp as mafia

[MacDougall]

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

@Marmot you're an inno child you need to eat your spinach and play

[MacDougall]

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

@Marmot

Why are you way more low presence compared to Philo 2?

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

Well I thought maybe he was going to come in and start participating now that he remembered he was playing. Then he just kinda said he didn't care and didn't provide anything else so I found that odd.

That's fair, any thoughts on Gav so far? I see you posted about Jack, but not Gav, so more just curious if you had more of a reason for Marmot over Gav.

I'm not sure about gav I feel like his theories don't make sense and could be deflection of attention from himself. I feel like he is so all over the place it's hard to pinpoint. I could see him as mafia this game. My initial hesitation was because I thought people jumped on his wagon pretty quick early on in the day. I was hoping maybe a vote on marmot would get him to post more but that maybe that was being too hopeful.

God damn it plz tell me gavial and guillo aren't both town

[MacDougall]

I, too, have been fooled a few times by mafia jack. I feel like I can never read him. I'm not sure I've ever seen mafia falcon or just don't remember so not sure if there is a difference, but I didn't see anything outright scummy with him so far. Gavial I think is also a bit harder to read. I saw that people kind of jumped on voting him pretty quick into the day.

Pls more prescriptive less descriptive statements

Sure I can elaborate. I don't think we can judge Jack's alignment yet as he hasn't been here even if he has been tricky in the past. I was unsure as to why everyone jumped so quickly on the gav train so early on. I guess that stems from me taking a little longer to process things in the beginning of games before figuring things out. From my experience, I feel like there are sometimes players who often get scumread early on whether they are town or scum. I've seen this happen to sig and to gavial for example and it seems to have happened here.

Why is Jack not judgeable but Marmot is if both player's presence have been lacking in this game?

This is an old post from before Jack even came into the game so that's not the same thing. I have misread Jack a lot in the past and I didn't want to make a read on someone who didn't say anything yet. He at least has tried to express an interest in playing but no his presence hasn't been great either. I was hoping a vote on marmot would get him to come back or engage in some way but that doesn't seem to be happening now.

Jack mafia

[NotAnAxehole]

Hmm I guess Marmot's disinterest is odd and could be mafia? If he were then he hasn't provided much interaction with anyone so he wouldn't be worried about giving away teammates if he gets voted off. I can never get a good read on Jack. If Jack is mafia he's better to get out earlier rather than later. Does gavial have a different playstyle when town or mafia? He always seems kinda all over the place.
Throwing a vote on marmot for now. Hoping to be able to come back later before EOD.
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don't like this.
You're last post with Marmot was basically saying you felt the same about the game as they did.

Spoiler: show

I keep forgetting I'm in a mafia game and am feeling lazy this game.

That happens to me when I haven't played in awhile. Any thoughts so far?

But now you are using it as a reason to vote them?
It just feels like this is coming from someone looking for an excuse to get on the wagon than a legitimate read.

Well I thought maybe he was going to come in and start participating now that he remembered he was playing. Then he just kinda said he didn't care and didn't provide anything else so I found that odd.

That's fair, any thoughts on Gav so far? I see you posted about Jack, but not Gav, so more just curious if you had more of a reason for Marmot over Gav.

I'm not sure about gav I feel like his theories don't make sense and could be deflection of attention from himself. I feel like he is so all over the place it's hard to pinpoint. I could see him as mafia this game. My initial hesitation was because I thought people jumped on his wagon pretty quick early on in the day. I was hoping maybe a vote on marmot would get him to post more but that maybe that was being too hopeful.

God damn it plz tell me gavial and guillo aren't both town

Gavial is town

[NotAnAxehole]

I think Sabie spew outs Falcon as mafia tbh.

[NotAnAxehole]

But I also thought that independently, so could just be conf bias

[MacDougall]

I think Sabie spew outs Falcon as mafia tbh.

it's... not great

and if gavial is town then falcon is probs mafia

annoying

[Dolby]

I'm just gonna continue vibing for the rest of day tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

I wouldn’t worry about Sabie long term though

fuck that sabie dies today

this post occurred many hours prior to her being red checked

Note that this post also includes reference to the past that I mentioned that I was shooting Sabie hours before her being red checked

[NotAnAxehole]

I think Sabie spew outs Falcon as mafia tbh.

it's... not great

and if gavial is town then falcon is probs mafia

annoying

I think Jack is town on spew actually, I won't say why, because it's somewhat silly, but it relates to a game where Sabie and I were mafia together... Recently.

[MacDougall]

someone explain why we aren't all just voting sabie again?

[TonyStarkPrime]

bonus quote of tsp being outed mafia there too

That’s literally a claim of “hello I’m shooting Sabie”

[Dolby]

someone explain why we aren't all just voting sabie again?

stopping potential hidden mafia sniper

[MacDougall]

I wouldn’t worry about Sabie long term though

fuck that sabie dies today

this post occurred many hours prior to her being red checked

Note that this post also includes reference to the past that I mentioned that I was shooting Sabie hours before her being red checked

I initially read your post and just saying we will deal with dabie later I didn't read posts leading up to it lol

[NotAnAxehole]

someone explain why we aren't all just voting sabie again?

My vote on Guillo outs him as mafia if he successfully shoots me.

[MacDougall]

bonus quote of tsp being outed mafia there too

That’s literally a claim of “hello I’m shooting Sabie”

yes yes I know

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok sorry for not catching up

[MacDougall]

someone explain why we aren't all just voting sabie again?

stopping potential hidden mafia sniper

read sniper rc and still don't get it

[MacDougall]

ok sorry for not catching up

what's ur jack read

[NotAnAxehole]

someone explain why we aren't all just voting sabie again?

stopping potential hidden mafia sniper

read sniper rc and still don't get it

You can't shoot if getting voted - Mafia sniper requires 2 votes.

[MacDougall]

@NotAnAxehole mafia have to be inside the seanzie vote right? who is it if not you?

[NotAnAxehole]

It's literally the only role I've read... And that includes my own.

[Dolby]

Actually I'm thinking about my decision to place falcon at 2 and it's kinda dumb bc him being at one forces him to holster, claim swap. or be outted at mass

i should probs move it

[NotAnAxehole]

@NotAnAxehole mafia have to be inside the seanzie vote right? who is it if not you?

I already gave my list of 7... On the Seanzie wagon potential candidates were: You, Dolby, Nookie