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Yes and yes.zeek wrote:Okay, I'm definitely open to viewing that as a save. I wasn't happy with what happened in those final few minutes, it was so out of the blue.
Epig, have you been following the game? Still suspicious of Enrique?
Yes.zeek wrote:You gonna comment on anything else?
In the pet cemetery.Long Con wrote:Epig, where were you?
Damned if I do....S~V~S wrote:At the end of the lynch, that there was a save going on. Those three votes, glomming onto the suspicion of someone most people view as civvie. Especially MM with his "gotta save MP" thing , I did not but that at allzeek wrote:What was obvious? That Snow Dog was civ? I have to disagree, it wasn't.S~V~S wrote:That was a horrible result, and the fact that it was so obvious made it even more horrible
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I know I said the Epi lynchlooked like a save, but this one was so overt. I am willing to drop my suspicions to keep the vote tight and vote for Made or one of the last Snowy voters.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I know people have chimed in and said MP has the people wrong in this post (should include him and Daisy) but I don't want to lose his thought that we assess the best arguments and decide who the top 4-5 people are. My problem at this point in time - and I suspect some others may feel this way - is I have lost track of what the arguments are for people like Made and MM becasue there are so many people posting about so many other people. Names are mentioned a lot but for seemingly small things that I suspect roll up into something bigger. But I don't have a good way to collect all that information other than go back through the thread and capture all the allegations (god forbid that I have to do that). What I would love to see is an old fashioned case on different candidates for the lynch.MovingPictures07 wrote:Agreed. We all need to discuss candidates well in advance and have a game plan. We can't be lynching like this anymore.zeek wrote:If we aim for a tie between a civ and a baddie, the civ will be lynched. No tie. I think its necessary to have a clear choice of 2 votes so its free from manipulation in that sense at least.
It's possible we still leave ourselves open to manipulation and a more overwhelming civvie lynch, but we cannot let the vote spread be prevalent in the slightest.
It seems, at least I would predict right now but I really have no idea, that the major candidates for D4 would be Made, Metalmarsh, Hedge, and Elo.
Not sure if it SHOULD be those, or if it will be, but really what we need to do is come up with say, four or five people to focus on after we assess the best arguments, and then vote accordingly, making sure that the person in the lead gets at least 2 more votes than the person in second, even if that person isn't necessarily OUR number one suspect. Thoughts?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Enrique, you popped in right at 8:30 (my time) and started throwing eyeballs around immediately. It seems like you're looking for something to set up for tomorrow.
Enrique wrote:I'm definitely looking at you tomorrow, MM. I've been following the thread for a while, talking when I have something to say, and guess what? I had something to say about you.
Or everyone could just vote for Enrique.MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, it may not be THAT easy. Yes, I agree with you it looks terrible upon reflection, but not every person that voted Snowy had evil intentions; I know I did not. And I'm willing to bet at least one other did not. But that leaves two or three people that I could definitely see as bad and trying to save Made.
I know people said we shouldn't plan blah blah blah and even I agreed with that, BUT really, especially with the +1 and trying to figure out what's going on here, I say we still concentrate the BULK of votes on a few suspects, let's say no more than 3 or 4. I think everyone can find one of those people that they are willing to cast their vote for. I also know it leaves it open to baddie manipulation to keep people from the teams off of it, BUT I just cannot see how letting everyone police themselves this time around will lead to something good, because I obviously helped contribute to a civvie lynch once again even when trying my hardest, and I had good intentions -- not even to mention those that do not.
I know LC volunteered to be a civvie for it, but I don't think he should be included.
Even though I feel strongly about my actions this game and how they've been misinterpreted, I am willing to be one of those few players. I think it's only logical that Made, Enrique, Metalmarsh, Daisy, and maybe Hedgeowl make up possibilities for the remainder, even if I don't agree with all of them being there, but that would make 6 players. Is there any other player that anyone thinks should be prioritized over any of these 6 or thoughts on narrowing the pool down to 3 or 4?
Thoughts? Or is this still a bad idea?
And we don't have to feel confined to vote for these players ONLY, but I still think around 75% or more of the votes should be given to just 3 or 4 players, and the players in charge of voting last MUST ensure that the person ahead is indeed ahead significantly enough to not let manipulation seek through, yes?
That is simply not true. I voted Snow Dog when he was here and gave my reasons, which he proceeded to ignore. Everybody else voted after he'd gone and couldn't defend himself. You can say I'm not helping but I'm trying my best. Not exactly easy to read a bunch of people I don't know.keys56000000000 wrote:I'm looking at MP, Zeek and Enrique. They may well be civs, but if they're leading last-minute charges against civs like Snow Dog, who wasn't even around to defend him/herself, they're not exactly helping the civvie cause.
Zeek you did not give him the same chance as say hedge or daisy or MP ffs everyone had more time to respond and defend than he did. plus he had the 2 top posters all up in his grill.zeek wrote:Forget this talk of ties, it will most likely end in the death of another civ.
That is simply not true. I voted Snow Dog when he was here and gave my reasons, which he proceeded to ignore. Everybody else voted after he'd gone and couldn't defend himself. You can say I'm not helping but I'm trying my best. Not exactly easy to read a bunch of people I don't know.keys56000000000 wrote:I'm looking at MP, Zeek and Enrique. They may well be civs, but if they're leading last-minute charges against civs like Snow Dog, who wasn't even around to defend him/herself, they're not exactly helping the civvie cause.
Oh, okay, I just assumed you were talking about me since you didn't make any different specific comment to my proposal, but I suppose I could assume you think the same as you did last night.zeek wrote:Was talking in general about the talk about ties, MP, not to you.
I'm happy to be reread, so you can all see Key has completely taken my vote out of context.
Roxy, that's just not true, he's had 3 full day/night cycles to contribute to this game. Time and time again he refused to make a vote of anything he considered to be his own thoughts and he was blatant in expressing this.Roxy wrote:Zeek you did not give him the same chance as say hedge or daisy or MP ffs everyone had more time to respond and defend than he did. plus he had the 2 top posters all up in his grill.zeek wrote:Forget this talk of ties, it will most likely end in the death of another civ.
That is simply not true. I voted Snow Dog when he was here and gave my reasons, which he proceeded to ignore. Everybody else voted after he'd gone and couldn't defend himself. You can say I'm not helping but I'm trying my best. Not exactly easy to read a bunch of people I don't know.keys56000000000 wrote:I'm looking at MP, Zeek and Enrique. They may well be civs, but if they're leading last-minute charges against civs like Snow Dog, who wasn't even around to defend him/herself, they're not exactly helping the civvie cause.
That's your opinion that I "spam" it, thank you. I've played games on other sites, RYM being an example, where it was considered a norm for players to have around 200-300 posts on AVERAGE during D3. It's all relative.keys56000000000 wrote:MP, what have you done to help the civvie cause?
You spam the game thread with multiple posts, drowning the rest of us. You throw suspicion at practically everyone in the game. How many of the civs lynched so far did you vote for and/or make cases on? 2? or all 3? Your record this game is awful. You've essentially hijacked the game with your volume of posting. I'm tired of reading post after post of wild speculation. You throw shit and see what sticks. You've done us no favours whatsoever.
This is also not true. I was the first voter for Snow Dog and nobody else had even questioned him. Is it my fault I logged out ten minutes after my vote and in that time didn't reply to my points? Is it my fault he still didn't respond to my points when he came back to the thread to change his vote? He chose not to take the time to respond to me. The others voted for him without giving him any chance to defend himself, not me.Roxy wrote:Zeek you did not give him the same chance as say hedge or daisy or MP ffs everyone had more time to respond and defend than he did. plus he had the 2 top posters all up in his grill.zeek wrote:Forget this talk of ties, it will most likely end in the death of another civ.
That is simply not true. I voted Snow Dog when he was here and gave my reasons, which he proceeded to ignore. Everybody else voted after he'd gone and couldn't defend himself. You can say I'm not helping but I'm trying my best. Not exactly easy to read a bunch of people I don't know.keys56000000000 wrote:I'm looking at MP, Zeek and Enrique. They may well be civs, but if they're leading last-minute charges against civs like Snow Dog, who wasn't even around to defend him/herself, they're not exactly helping the civvie cause.
I appreciate your thoughts, but I'm just trying to consider everything, and I find it odd no one is talking about keys. It's so easy to sit back and play the blame game when you've been sticking on only one suspect and hardly discussing absolutely anything else.fingersplints wrote:MP - if keys was a baddie, he would be much more invested. I've said it before I am fairly confident he is a civvie. Chris, despite reassurances from others this is his civvie game, I am unsure of, but am feeling a little better about his posting lately.
How come it's bad for them to focus on certain individuals they think are bad? Roxy has been on hedgie for days, Epi is again pushing Enrique hard. I just don't see how being confident someone is bad automatically makes them bad. And it really feels like you feel that way because it's you they feel confident on.
I honestly only glanced over some of the Made/Dom stuff because it was getting a bit nasty, but I was reading Dom as a civvie and not feeling great about Made, but I'd like to do a better reread of that.
I don't think all the Snow Dog voters were bad, but for the most part that suspicion did seem to pop up out of nowhere suddenly which is why it seems like a save. I'd like to know about Made first before I decide who is his teammate and saving him. Same with daisy
Daisy is not bad though.Roxy wrote:Thats right MP you gave him NO time to respond to the votes coming in.
No chance to defend.
You and zeek all over the place.
Snows first game back.
You know him better than me which is why I was dismayed when you did not give him the same chance as Daisy.
You all set up w/e I am going after baddies. Hedge is my target. Idt anything will change my mind about her.
Another "no u" MP?MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't think enough people are considering that keys and Chris who just sit back and say MP IS BAD could be just laughing it up in their chatrooms as they avoid anyone seriously voting for them, ESPECIALLY if Made was not being saved and he is also a civvie. I'm not even sure that's true, but it's a possibility that bothers me.
Could you have come to this conclusion by giving that suspicion a chance to be vetted?MovingPictures07 wrote:Daisy is not bad though.Roxy wrote:Thats right MP you gave him NO time to respond to the votes coming in.
No chance to defend.
You and zeek all over the place.
Snows first game back.
You know him better than me which is why I was dismayed when you did not give him the same chance as Daisy.
You all set up w/e I am going after baddies. Hedge is my target. Idt anything will change my mind about her.
This post is just incredibly insulting to me, and here I was just coming back into the thread SPECIFICALLY to apologize to you if I came across personally at all that I did not intend so.keys56000000000 wrote:MP, I'm tired of you leading the conversation. Yes, you're "helping", or you're pretending to help. That's the game. Whatever it is you're doing, it's not helping us, because we keep dying, and mostly, ironically, at your hands. You cannot say that I haven't been participating just because my main suspect is yourself. It is obviously inaccurate to characterise my suspicion of you as "MP IS BAD MP IS BAD". You sound like a fucking child. Quieten down some and let the rest of us play the game. Might be we'll catch a baddie without your incessant "helping".
linki: Jesus MP, can you please stop with the multiple consecutive posts so I can get a word in.
I did NOT say that. I said it's a possibility I'm considering. I do not necessarily believe it to be true.Chris wrote:Another "no u" MP?MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't think enough people are considering that keys and Chris who just sit back and say MP IS BAD could be just laughing it up in their chatrooms as they avoid anyone seriously voting for them, ESPECIALLY if Made was not being saved and he is also a civvie. I'm not even sure that's true, but it's a possibility that bothers me.
So what you're saying is, since I think you could be bad, I must be a baddie, sitting in my chatroom laughing it up?
Have I got that right?
I'm confused by your question, sorry, can you reword it?Roxy wrote:Could you have come to this conclusion by giving that suspicion a chance to be vetted?MovingPictures07 wrote:Daisy is not bad though.Roxy wrote:Thats right MP you gave him NO time to respond to the votes coming in.
No chance to defend.
You and zeek all over the place.
Snows first game back.
You know him better than me which is why I was dismayed when you did not give him the same chance as Daisy.
You all set up w/e I am going after baddies. Hedge is my target. Idt anything will change my mind about her.
If you are honest with yourself the answer has to be yes.
All I am asking is that you don't go off half cocked near a lynch end and vote like this again. Ofc unless someones says I am bad vote for me.
Chris wrote:HOSTS: Does anyone have any info on the current poll?
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
bea wrote:Chris wrote:HOSTS: Does anyone have any info on the current poll?
I do.Does that help?
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