Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Marmot]

Wrong on Nanook that is

[NotAnAxehole]

FTR, I want to highlight that I take no responsibility for Marmot's CFD

[falcon45ca]

Remember when i said Falcon once raised a red flag for me?
It was this exchange with them. It hit me as they wanted to avoid yeeting Sabie.

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I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

I could vote sabie sig or maybe nanook

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Sabie not fighting their chop and going silent is probably scum avoiding spew now.

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Is there any indication they are aware of their wagon?

Yes they commented before and then went poof. ISO them.

Can you show me where they commented on their wagon?


I do see them mentioning trying to be here for EOD, which would indicate they wouldn't be around for awhile.

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

[VOTE: Guillo] aubergine


Feel opportunistic on Sabie

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

Watchers should be enough to deter Mafia from trying to use a Pyro airblast to create a False Mafia confirm.
And if Mafia does try to double roleblock one of their own to manually destroy the building the Waters should pick that up and we heavily push the roleblocker who was not supposed to be there.

It's the very post they voted for Gavial, at that time they already had 6 votes on them, SABIE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE MAIN WAGON

OK, I see what you're talking about.


Still, given they did mention prior to this when they voted Marmot they'd try and make EOD, the sudden push on Sabie makes me pause.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Yes, im making sure to take advantage of the opportunity to lynch scum, if that is what you mean with being opportunistic.

Do you townread Sabie then?

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

I don't see a reason for 7 votes on them currently, which makes me think there's a wolf push on the slot.


My read off their ISO is null, I don't feel strongly either way. It doesn't read scummy enough for 7 votes, so by that virtue I'm town leaning them.

If Sabie is null they are PoE no?

Like in my case. I never lynch my townreads, fight hard to chop my scum reads but if there is no traction for my scum reads, nulls aka PoE is fine too.

I don't put nulls into my POE until later in a game, not D1.

Like, if I'm Maf, and a player says they won't be around til EOD, if even then, I would find a reason to join that wagon

I buy it, I'll add falcon to the scumreads list.

Nanook suspecting Gav for a TMI read related to falcon is probably damning for him too.

Damning for who?

If you're scum, I think it's a worse look for Nanook.

What if I'm town? How does that look for Nook?

[falcon45ca]

FTR, I want to highlight that I take no responsibility for Marmot's CFD

Why is that?



Do you accept any responsibility for the last CFD you joined?



There's something in common between the two, FYI

[falcon45ca]

FTR, I want to highlight that I take no responsibility for Marmot's CFD

Why is that?



Do you accept any responsibility for the last CFD you joined?



There's something in common between the two, FYI

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Why not Mac?

Because my read on Mac is much weaker than my read on Sig.

Why are you curious about "why not Mac", rather than Linearpoint?

I feel you've put more emphasis on Mac scum world than LP

Falcon flipping wolf makes Mac look bad here.

[Guillotine]

So looking back, I think Linearpoint and Mac are >rand!mafia, but that second one might be mildly fueled by OMGUS.

why?

Linearpoint's first post is the sort of first post that I like to make as scum (I always find the first post the hardest, after getting the first post out of the way, it is much easier to continue. Sometimes I even specifically try to "first" specifically to get the first post out of the way), and while this is not scum-indicative necessarily, it is scum-compatible. Then as others have mentioned, sometimes scum likes to mech-talk to hide, and their posts in regards to my team-claim suggestion feel the most likely to be coming from scum trying to look helpful in a mech discussion.

As for Mac, he called me mafia, so he must be mafia.

Okay I'm not sure I see it, buuuuuuut not really being series yet.

Mac i'll be able to tell if he's mafia by like day 2/3. Though if i get NK'd before then he 100% should be lynched since always kills me when he's mafia.

@sig so isMac still mafia or nah?

[Guillotine]

Sean and Falcon, you should start a town core. You’re both town. I’m rooting for you!

The fuck is this? Why do you post like you shouldnt be in the towncore of those you townread?

I’m not planning to be very active at the start of this.

Thread is quiet and I want the game to have a good start though.

Also, think I’ll exchange my Falcon for Guillo right now.

Sean is town. I know him, this be town.
Tony is town cause I can tell.
Guillo is probably town and Sean thinks so too so that’s good. Work together \o/
Lime is town because he’s cute and also real reasons.

^I think this is a nice town core to start with.
(Dis)agreements?

Does sean usually come out so aggressive in setting out reads? Ik i've played with him before but can't recall much.

Can"t agree on Lime, need some pics first or are we saying like the vibe/profile pic is cute? I could see vibe, but not profile pic. i mean don't get me wrong it isn't bad just not cute ya feel me?

Also as i just previously mentioned disagree re town core this soon, but as long as ppl don't blindly sheep and will move players out of town core, it isn't the end of the world to have one.

This could also be a reason why Dyslexicon died. Scum being afraid of a townie forming town cores. So far Dyslexicon had been right on me and Seanzie.

Sig showing reluctance to people forming towncore looks like scum being afraid of a leader forming towncore.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Why not Mac?

Because my read on Mac is much weaker than my read on Sig.

Why are you curious about "why not Mac", rather than Linearpoint?

I feel you've put more emphasis on Mac scum world than LP

Falcon flipping wolf makes Mac look bad here.

Scratch that thought. It makes LP look bad not Mac

[TonyStarkPrime]

I may just be exhausted but did gav not just tmi that the kill wasn't blocked?

yeah i think so and would be advocating killing him if i didn't think his death was imminent

[TonyStarkPrime]

but we still don't know what happened to guillo's shot either

What shot?

i'm going to lose my mind

[TonyStarkPrime]

I really didn't consider Scout delaying the kill, becuase that's kind of a silly thing to do when you have a Tracker ability.

the tracker is just bad imo, too risky

[Gavial]

I just wanna say, TSP flipping Mafia confirms Wilgy as town.

[Dolby]

Yeah sure

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

no I don't really have a take on falcon, but this is fine

[Marmot]

Dolby has outposted me, what world is this?

[Marmot]

Oh wow, I have the second fewest posts in the game of living players :wowee:

[Dolby]

Dolby has outposted me, what world is this?

Dolby (Marmot total X 4)

Ok but seriously, most games on here I join I sub in just so that a MK doesn't happen, or I'm subbing in on game start so it can start without an afk slot. In either of those cases most of the time I don't really have the time to commit to the game, and that leads to Dolby (4).

Or I'm multitabling irresponsibly, which does happen a lot tbh

(with one exception that it was in signups so long I forgot about it)

[Dolby]

I'd personally say that I'm not ISPing this game but also I don't have a solid read on about 6 slots so maybe I should do more idk, I think we've got a hit today though and it really isn't required

I have non-solid townleans on Guillo, NAA, Mac, most concerned about Mac

[Gavial]

I’m keeping my vote on Nanook.
Brings us in a better position.

[Marmot]

I'd personally say that I'm not ISPing this game but also I don't have a solid read on about 6 slots so maybe I should do more idk, I think we've got a hit today though and it really isn't required

I have non-solid townleans on Guillo, NAA, Mac, most concerned about Mac

I don't have much concern about Mac because he hasn't really scumtold and he's said he's going to sheep me (and even requested that I come into the game to be townie), but it's possible that he's really just trying to pocket me since I red-peeked sabie

[Dolby]

tbh I'm at like

Nanook always being a hit and if he isn't the probability that the Seanzie wagon was pure rises to about 35%

[Dolby]

Also if Nanook is red I think that it softclears Gav and I'd have to look at the progression of the Gav wagon but iirc that means that except Marmot the Gav wagon was entirely scum-constructed

[Dolby]

The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

[Marmot]

The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

I completely forgot about that wagon, I'mma go back and look at it.

Do you remember if sabie was a wagon when the Gav wagon existed?

[Gavial]

Also if Nanook is red I think that it softclears Gav and I'd have to look at the progression of the Gav wagon but iirc that means that except Marmot the Gav wagon was entirely scum-constructed

Well I mean wolves fear me, just not the way they fear other players.
They keep me alive but try and get me ML’ed.

[Gavial]

Yeah as much as I wolf read Falcon, he might be town if Nanook is wolf.

[Dolby]

The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

I completely forgot about that wagon, I'mma go back and look at it.

Do you remember if sabie was a wagon when the Gav wagon existed?

I'm probs not the person to ask about D1 stuff but I feel that Sabie as a force was kinda newer than Gav, and Gav, aside from Guillo at points (?) was only being really pushed by scum in that world

[Gavial]

Call me crazy that I’m still be thinking TSP/Marmot are mafia but my paranoia grows so big it’s really hard for me to look past that probability and I’m trying to just have it as just a deep probability but I actually think it’s quite likely which scares me.

[Gavial]

Dam Gavial, C’mon man if your wrong it could harm our solving technique but if your right though Gavial…. Hmmmmm this is hard.

[Gavial]

@DrWilgy
You don’t have to but I’m afraid TSP may have targeted me or you so if you think it’s the right play vote him, if not then do elsewhere.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok so if gavial is as much as an outed wolf as I think he is than nanook is probably town for a stupid reason

[TonyStarkPrime]

besides for the other stupid reason

[TonyStarkPrime]

but maybe it's just w/w with some last ditch efforts and nanook is just looking for someone to point out the obvious, which I will not do

[Dolby]

but maybe it's just w/w with some last ditch efforts and nanook is just looking for someone to point out the obvious, which I will not do

I don't think they're w/w after Nanook said that Gav TMIed last night

but yeah if Nanook flips v Gav can be a wagon

[Marmot]

Call me crazy that I’m still be thinking TSP/Marmot are mafia but my paranoia grows so big it’s really hard for me to look past that probability and I’m trying to just have it as just a deep probability but I actually think it’s quite likely which scares me.

Do you have evidence or reasoning for it, or is it specifically paranoia?

Is this related to myself red-peeking sabie and TSP coming in later in the day like "Hey, I was gonna shoot her"?

[Guillotine]

The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

If Gav is town, Sig is definitely the scum Sabie was trying to avoid then. The more I read Sig's ISO the bigger my scumread of him gets.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn m mnmneh, Mfna, mn Mfna.

[Guillotine]

The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

I completely forgot about that wagon, I'mma go back and look at it.

Do you remember if sabie was a wagon when the Gav wagon existed?

She was. And Sig was a mini wagon too

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It's ok last time I was told I was gamethrowing I had a perfect towncore

FTR, I think you'll flip green, but I have to vote with Marmot for... Reasons that you're aware.

Yeh im aware

[Guillotine]

The D1 Gav wagon to be clear

I completely forgot about that wagon, I'mma go back and look at it.

Do you remember if sabie was a wagon when the Gav wagon existed?

I'm probs not the person to ask about D1 stuff but I feel that Sabie as a force was kinda newer than Gav, and Gav, aside from Guillo at points (?) was only being really pushed by scum in that world

Did you just TMIed me town? You said your town lean on me is not solid and yet you put me aside from scum pushing Gavial here. That reads like your lean is very solid imo.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

A counterwagon nobody believes will go over is kinda pointless lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote: nanook

no nonsense

[TonyStarkPrime]

Call me crazy that I’m still be thinking TSP/Marmot are mafia but my paranoia grows so big it’s really hard for me to look past that probability and I’m trying to just have it as just a deep probability but I actually think it’s quite likely which scares me.

Do you have evidence or reasoning for it, or is it specifically paranoia?

Is this related to myself red-peeking sabie and TSP coming in later in the day like "Hey, I was gonna shoot her"?

for the record i said that before you revealed that you even had a check

[TonyStarkPrime]

ftr we have to get two votes on gavial at eod or he will be shooting marmot and attempting to get away with it

[Guillotine]

@DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn m mnmneh, Mfna, mn Mfna.

So you think Gavial, Nanook, Sig and Tony are scum.

[Dolby]

@DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn m mnmneh, Mfna, mn Mfna.

Dolby (v), Wilgy(v), Falcon(v), Gav (null), guillo (v), Jack (v), LC (v), Linear Point (v), Mac (v), Marmot (v), Martin (v), Nanook (null), NAA(wolf), Sig (null), TSP (wolfish)

is what I'd reading this as

[Guillotine]

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn m mnmneh, Mfna, mn Mfna.

Dolby (v), Wilgy(v), Falcon(v), Gav (null), guillo (v), Jack (v), LC (v), Linear Point (v), Mac (v), Marmot (v), Martin (v), Nanook (null), NAA(wolf), Sig (null), TSP (wolfish)

is what I'd reading this as

No, read mine, that is the correct translation scum.

[Dolby]

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn m mnmneh, Mfna, mn Mfna.

Dolby (v), Wilgy(v), Falcon(v), Gav (null), guillo (v), Jack (v), LC (v), Linear Point (v), Mac (v), Marmot (v), Martin (v), Nanook (null), NAA(wolf), Sig (null), TSP (wolfish)

is what I'd reading this as

No, read mine, that is the correct translation scum.

Guillo, I find your continuous insistence on finding reasons to scumread me, particularly above Nanook since D2 incredibly frustrating, and also, my translation is basically the same as yours

[Dolby]

the only difference being that he clearly hard wolfreads NAA which I'm not sure how you aren't getting

[Guillotine]

Mh mphm mhfn. Mhph mph mh mf mph.

Wilgy, maybe you can make a reads list, with less mphhs being more towny, and more mphhs being more scummy

if you can't list a player, then do separate lines, with the 1st line being teh first player on the player list, second line being second, and so on (skipping dead people, or you could include them)

I conquer @DrWilgy

Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mn, Mfna, Mn m mnmneh, Mfna, mn Mfna.

Dolby (v), Wilgy(v), Falcon(v), Gav (null), guillo (v), Jack (v), LC (v), Linear Point (v), Mac (v), Marmot (v), Martin (v), Nanook (null), NAA(wolf), Sig (null), TSP (wolfish)

is what I'd reading this as

No, read mine, that is the correct translation scum.

Guillo, I find your continuous insistence on finding reasons to scumread me, particularly above Nanook since D2 incredibly frustrating, and also, my translation is basically the same as yours

Well, you did tmi me bruh. Like you keep saying that you town lean me and that the read is not solid which is a very fencey read if I may add cause it displays a total lack of willingness to commit to a read, but then you say that Gavial was being pushed by mostly scum (who are they?) and aside from them, me.

I gotta call you out on that because if you flip wolf, it makes me look really bad if I don't.

And the translation is not the same. Gavial is not a "null" for Wilgy, it's scum. This one "Mn m mnmneh" looks like a null.