Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[LinearPoint]

But the problem is if TSP lies about his target N1. He gets outed if Sabie is not lynched D2.

[LinearPoint]

For TSP to be Mafia one of the following has to occur.
Marmot is lying or Mafia has a Demoman or Medic.
While I can see LC as being Mafia, I just don't really see the plan of fake shooting Sabie as a good idea for Mafia.

[MacDougall]

nanook more likely to flip town but game state dictates a chop there

this post is just an attempt to look like they don't have tmi

[MacDougall]

But the problem is if TSP lies about his target N1. He gets outed if Sabie is not lynched D2.

no he doesn't...

"I shot at sabie but it didn't go through... must have been roleblocked or sabie saved".

[MacDougall]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

guillo is just the mafia medic then?

[LinearPoint]

But the problem is if TSP lies about his target N1. He gets outed if Sabie is not lynched D2.

no he doesn't...

"I shot at sabie but it didn't go through... must have been roleblocked or sabie saved".

That still outs whoever roleblocked him as confirmed Mafia, so I mean if TSP's grand plan is to bus his whole team then OK I guess.
But for TSP to be Mafia it still necessitates that TSP is hard bussing his whole team.

[MacDougall]

noting guillo went belly up when I told him to antispew

[MacDougall]

But the problem is if TSP lies about his target N1. He gets outed if Sabie is not lynched D2.

no he doesn't...

"I shot at sabie but it didn't go through... must have been roleblocked or sabie saved".

That still outs whoever roleblocked him as confirmed Mafia, so I mean if TSP's grand plan is to bus his whole team then OK I guess.
But for TSP to be Mafia it still necessitates that TSP is hard bussing his whole team.

tsp didn't hard bus sabie he did the exact opposite

if the mafia have a medic he has plausible deniability for missing on sabie

even if they don't he can just make that claim and get a roleblocker chopped

notwithstanding in role madness with these players nothing is off the table... you don't even need perfect claims you just say shit and people like me get confused and don't care

[MacDougall]

linearpoint what is your role and actions taken?

[MacDougall]

how do you get to "tsp is bussing his whole team if mafia" when he literally made the crit vote on the day 1 mafia counterwagon and spend all of day 3 burying a town?

[MacDougall]

and he's scarcely responsible at all for nanook going over

[Guillotine]

Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

this is tmi

What? It’s true. If Axe was town you’d think i’d push him when he can do dirty work for me and my team?
This is not the first time i say it, why didnt you call me out before?

You know what is weird? You being “spewed” town by sabie and Nanook’s lynches and having claimed your only self save available on night 2 and you are still alive.

Not as weird as Marmot still being alive though.

[Guillotine]

Honestly need some others to get in and get a real discussion going.
I'm bored.

For real though I'm thinking my PoE is between Wiggly, Falcon, LC, NAA, Guillio, and Martin.
In that order.

Bitch, im never PoE i pushed Sabie to their death and while Nanook is not my pelt to claim, i wrote valid point why he coukd ve scum and well, he was.

You see, I'm paranoid and think you are bussing.

So im smart and skilled enough to bus them but too dumb to kill threats? Like … scum me never kills Gavial or Jack who were PoE. No, I’d go after clears or strong voices with clout.

Not for nothing im one of the best scum players to ever live.

But that's what you want me to think.

So i am that good eh? Noice. If you are town im gonna put this in my Signature yo! For bragging rights.

I think you should just go into antispew

Ok sure.

Ladies and gents, this guy is not my partner, i repeat, definitely not my partner.

[MacDougall]

Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

this is tmi

What? It’s true. If Axe was town you’d think i’d push him when he can do dirty work for me and my team?
This is not the first time i say it, why didnt you call me out before?

You know what is weird? You being “spewed” town by sabie and Nanook’s lynches and having claimed your only self save available on night 2 and you are still alive.

Not as weird as Marmot still being alive though.

I didn't call you out before because I didn't call you out before. I'm doing it now because it occurs to me.

Notwithstanding, yes pushing a town on the wrong side of chops and reads is basic mafia tactics. It wouldn't be weird at all. It would be weird if mafia hadn't been pushing him.

So it's weird that I didn't die last night over the town watcher counterwagon to a flipped mafia that was spewed town... is what you're saying actually.

Because I couldn't die n2 (a night there was no kill) and was never dying n1 after being a seanzie voter...

So what you're saying is ridiculous. The entirety of it.

[LinearPoint]

linearpoint what is your role and actions taken?

Eh, sure it's not too easy to hide it anymore anyways.

It's Pyro
N1 - Target redirected Sig (just didn't like him D1)
N2 - Protected Martin (to protect his buildings)
N3 - Target redirected Mac (Since Mac cannot normally visit I thought I could possibly catch out a Mac!Mafia preforming the factional kill)

Haven't use

[MacDougall]

linearpoint what is your role and actions taken?

Eh, sure it's not too easy to hide it anymore anyways.

It's Pyro
N1 - Target redirected Sig (just didn't like him D1)
N2 - Protected Martin (to protect his buildings)
N3 - Target redirected Mac (Since Mac cannot normally visit I thought I could possibly catch out a Mac!Mafia preforming the factional kill)

Haven't use

You're full of shit. You've had me locktown the entire game and I buried Nanook. There's no way you targeted me with pyro redirect n3.

[Guillotine]

noting guillo went belly up when I told him to antispew

Bitch, im getting ready to work. I said i work graveyard tonight

[LinearPoint]

linearpoint what is your role and actions taken?

Eh, sure it's not too easy to hide it anymore anyways.

It's Pyro
N1 - Target redirected Sig (just didn't like him D1)
N2 - Protected Martin (to protect his buildings)
N3 - Target redirected Mac (Since Mac cannot normally visit I thought I could possibly catch out a Mac!Mafia preforming the factional kill)

Haven't use

You're full of shit. You've had me locktown the entire game and I buried Nanook. There's no way you targeted me with pyro redirect n3.

:P

If you don't want to clear I can take it back. As far as I'm concerned I don't see you not preforming the factional kill N3 and Jack doesn't seem like an odd Mafia kill target so I think it nicely clears you.

[MacDougall]

linearpoint what is your role and actions taken?

Eh, sure it's not too easy to hide it anymore anyways.

It's Pyro
N1 - Target redirected Sig (just didn't like him D1)
N2 - Protected Martin (to protect his buildings)
N3 - Target redirected Mac (Since Mac cannot normally visit I thought I could possibly catch out a Mac!Mafia preforming the factional kill)

Haven't use

You're full of shit. You've had me locktown the entire game and I buried Nanook. There's no way you targeted me with pyro redirect n3.

:P

If you don't want to clear I can take it back. As far as I'm concerned I don't see you not preforming the factional kill N3 and Jack doesn't seem like an odd Mafia kill target so I think it nicely clears you.

who did you try to have me kill?

[NotAnAxehole]

Why is Guillo using "I wouldn't push Naa if I was mafia" as a defense?

He hasn't pushed me.

[LinearPoint]

It's random who would have targeted. If there was a really weird Mafia kill I would have called you out.

[MacDougall]

need the rest of the claims to sort through who is bs

@Guillotine @NotAnAxehole please?

[Guillotine]

Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

this is tmi

What? It’s true. If Axe was town you’d think i’d push him when he can do dirty work for me and my team?
This is not the first time i say it, why didnt you call me out before?

You know what is weird? You being “spewed” town by sabie and Nanook’s lynches and having claimed your only self save available on night 2 and you are still alive.

Not as weird as Marmot still being alive though.

I didn't call you out before because I didn't call you out before. I'm doing it now because it occurs to me.

Notwithstanding, yes pushing a town on the wrong side of chops and reads is basic mafia tactics. It wouldn't be weird at all. It would be weird if mafia hadn't been pushing him.

So it's weird that I didn't die last night over the town watcher counterwagon to a flipped mafia that was spewed town... is what you're saying actually.

Because I couldn't die n2 (a night there was no kill) and was never dying n1 after being a seanzie voter...

So what you're saying is ridiculous. The entirety of it.

Dude, unless the mafia team is totally dysfunctional and are a bunch of noobs, you never live long if you are town after vlaimjng self save, in fact the longer you live the more unlikely is that you are town, you are always fear killed as town.

Also, you parked on Seanzie, they flipped town. Tunneled Gavial, town. Now you are going after me, im town sharing the same rile as yours which by the way. I TOOK A GAMBLE AND DIDNT USE MY SELF SAVE LAST NIGHT SO I WILL USE IT TONIGHT, scummy suckers! Lol.

So yah, if anyone bussed… it’s you and if you continue to push me and you are town, what’s going on with you? Get gud.

[NotAnAxehole]

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[NotAnAxehole]

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[NotAnAxehole]

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[NotAnAxehole]

Blue

[Guillotine]

Why is Guillo using "I wouldn't push Naa if I was mafia" as a defense?

He hasn't pushed me.

I did push you. Stopped pushing you because i dont think you’d be too obvious… am i wrong?

[NotAnAxehole]

Why is Guillo using "I wouldn't push Naa if I was mafia" as a defense?

He hasn't pushed me.

I did push you. Stopped pushing you because i dont think you’d be too obvious… am i wrong?

Nah

[LinearPoint]

Honestly NAA willingly not viging anyone seems really out of character and also probably not Mafia.

[MacDougall]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

[MacDougall]

Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

this is tmi

What? It’s true. If Axe was town you’d think i’d push him when he can do dirty work for me and my team?
This is not the first time i say it, why didnt you call me out before?

You know what is weird? You being “spewed” town by sabie and Nanook’s lynches and having claimed your only self save available on night 2 and you are still alive.

Not as weird as Marmot still being alive though.

I didn't call you out before because I didn't call you out before. I'm doing it now because it occurs to me.

Notwithstanding, yes pushing a town on the wrong side of chops and reads is basic mafia tactics. It wouldn't be weird at all. It would be weird if mafia hadn't been pushing him.

So it's weird that I didn't die last night over the town watcher counterwagon to a flipped mafia that was spewed town... is what you're saying actually.

Because I couldn't die n2 (a night there was no kill) and was never dying n1 after being a seanzie voter...

So what you're saying is ridiculous. The entirety of it.

Dude, unless the mafia team is totally dysfunctional and are a bunch of noobs, you never live long if you are town after vlaimjng self save, in fact the longer you live the more unlikely is that you are town, you are always fear killed as town.

Also, you parked on Seanzie, they flipped town. Tunneled Gavial, town. Now you are going after me, im town sharing the same rile as yours which by the way. I TOOK A GAMBLE AND DIDNT USE MY SELF SAVE LAST NIGHT SO I WILL USE IT TONIGHT, scummy suckers! Lol.

So yah, if anyone bussed… it’s you and if you continue to push me and you are town, what’s going on with you? Get gud.

there has been one night since I claimed self save

[Guillotine]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

[MacDougall]

@TonyStarkPrime

[MacDougall]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

okay you're town then cuz I've already determined the other heavy is town

[LinearPoint]

Oh so Falcon was Medic he just said he was faking Medic? I guess that makes sense.

[MacDougall]

Oh so Falcon was Medic he just said he was faking Medic? I guess that makes sense.

all three of them fake claimed their real roles

[LinearPoint]

Although it seems weird Mafia didn't kill either Medic claim.

[Guillotine]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

okay you're town then cuz I've already determined the other heavy is town

No bitch. It will not be that easy, why have you determined that?

[LinearPoint]

There's definitely 1 Mafia in Marmot, Sig, Falcon just mechanically.
They were worried of Jack seeing their kill so just outed him. They considered Jack more threatening than Marmot though which is odd.
They probably still have their crit that bypasses healing and will use it on Marmot, Sig, or Falcon whichever are Town tonight.

[MacDougall]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

okay you're town then cuz I've already determined the other heavy is town

No bitch. It will not be that easy, why have you determined that?

lack of vote manipulation shenanigans... you could have saved nanook yesterday with your role and vote for instance

[Guillotine]

Although it seems weird Mafia didn't kill either Medic claim.

Mafia is not killing the obvious kills period

[MacDougall]

Although it seems weird Mafia didn't kill either Medic claim.

Mafia is not killing the obvious kills period

dude you're off chop

they killed a town watcher and missed a kill n2

just shut up

[Guillotine]

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

okay you're town then cuz I've already determined the other heavy is town

No bitch. It will not be that easy, why have you determined that?

lack of vote manipulation shenanigans... you could have saved nanook yesterday with your role and vote for instance

Ok. Yah i used Natasha on you yesterday

[Guillotine]

Although it seems weird Mafia didn't kill either Medic claim.

Mafia is not killing the obvious kills period

dude you're off chop

they killed a town watcher and missed a kill n2

just shut up

No. I dont believe for a minute that scum would not kill Marmot, or you, or me. I expected to die so either scum believed that i was gonna use my self save or i have been pocketed by scum meaning ive been dead wrong

[MacDougall]

Sig - Medic (Doctor)
Dolby - Demoman (Roleblocker) - blocked Nanook N2
TSP - Sniper (Vig)
LC - Demoman (Roleblocker)
Marmot - Soldier (Watcher) - Saw Mafia Kill N1
Wiggly - Pyro (Redirector)
Martin - Engineer (JOAT)
Mac - Heavy (Vote Manipulator)

NNA at one point fake claimed Spy (Vig)
Falcon at one point fake claimed Medic (Doctor)

Non claimers are me, Guillotine, NAA, Falcon.
Of those there are a Pyro, Medic, Heavy, and Spy.

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

okay you're town then cuz I've already determined the other heavy is town

No bitch. It will not be that easy, why have you determined that?

lack of vote manipulation shenanigans... you could have saved nanook yesterday with your role and vote for instance

Ok. Yah i used Natasha on you yesterday

if you were mafia you could have voted Jack and used it on Nanook

likewise I could have done the same

[Guillotine]

Mafia kills on n1 and n3 indicate medic dodging. There is probably one mafia at min in the unclaimed and it's probably not the Spy or Heavy (which is probably NAA). Either Linear is mafia or the unclaimed medic is. Who is probably Guillo.

Guillo/TSP is my solve.

Ok then you are mafia here.

Im Blue Heavy and im willing to thunderdome you and dude, im not Seanzie or Gavial and we have 70 hours with no hammer.

okay you're town then cuz I've already determined the other heavy is town

No bitch. It will not be that easy, why have you determined that?

lack of vote manipulation shenanigans... you could have saved nanook yesterday with your role and vote for instance

Ok. Yah i used Natasha on you yesterday

if you were mafia you could have voted Jack and used it on Nanook

likewise I could have done the same

Ok you are right.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Although it seems weird Mafia didn't kill either Medic claim.

Mafia is not killing the obvious kills period

dude you're off chop

they killed a town watcher and missed a kill n2

just shut up

No. I dont believe for a minute that scum would not kill Marmot, or you, or me. I expected to die so either scum believed that i was gonna use my self save or i have been pocketed by scum meaning ive been dead wrong

Guillo...

scum probably did think you were self saving

but you dying is inconsequential compared to a town watcher that just survived as a c/w to a wolf and was spewed town in the process

Marmot has enough tinfoil on him to choose to kill Jack over him

and Marmot or me are mechanically near confirmed to have been shot at n2

[Guillotine]

I gotta work now.

Let’s kill Sig, he’s been outed scum since day 1.

[MacDougall]

I gotta work now.

Let’s kill Sig, he’s been outed scum since day 1.

I don't entirely disagree