Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Lime Coke]

Another question. What if Gavial has been mostly wrong but he was right about one thing and that think scared wolves the most and killed him?

Which would be?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Why is NAA voting a vanity wagon all by himself?

[TonyStarkPrime]

like two docs can keep marmot alive indefinitely and that's just too good i think

But then people will wonder why I'm still alive

Only Gav and he’s dead

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Why is NAA voting a vanity wagon all by himself?

You were voting with him previous to changing your vote... are you joking? because if you are not, that shit is scummy dude.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime why did you kill Gavial yesterday and why didnt you kill NAA on night 1 after that fucked CFD that you were also part of on day 1?

Have you read the role that I have

[Guillotine]

Call me crazy that I’m still be thinking TSP/Marmot are mafia but my paranoia grows so big it’s really hard for me to look past that probability and I’m trying to just have it as just a deep probability but I actually think it’s quite likely which scares me.

Hmm

What if TSP is scum and claimed the kill on Gavial to look townie?

[Guillotine]

@TonyStarkPrime why did you kill Gavial yesterday and why didnt you kill NAA on night 1 after that fucked CFD that you were also part of on day 1?

Have you read the role that I have

No. Honestly with the roles being NAI, I have not bothered.

[Guillotine]

What if Gavial intended to kill Marmot but was redirected?

Are there redirections here?

[Guillotine]

And if Gavial was redirected and killed Jack instead, did Dolby lie about their roleblock on Gavial?

[Guillotine]

Can TSP and Dolby be wolves?

[Guillotine]

Hmmmm... I'll be back later, I need to read things.

[MartinGG99]

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

This screams to me like "Oh no! Don't look at Seanzie's wagon, there are a few of my mafia partners of mine here".

I remember this is the post that raised a red flag for me. Disregarding the CFD as stupid rather than scummy is scummy and is probably TMIng some people on Seanzie's wagon town, but who? NAA? TSP? Both? Or could it be that he is calling out his partners stupid for ending up on Seanzie's wagon, outing themselves?

lol you

What you're claiming about me TMI'ing the wagon is about equally reachy as the hypothetical thought that LP TMI'ed the Seanzie voters as town in this quote:

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

And besides, I thought Dizzy made it very clear and brought up good evidence that Seanzie was probably town based on post wording and meta. I even vouched for it since I compared it to a past mafia game of Seanzie's. Additionally, aside from that, there hardly had been any valid discussion about any sort of perceived scumminess of Seanzie.

Anyone who CFD'ed Seanzie, even disregarding the fact that it was a CFD, was acting fundamentally stupid.

[MartinGG99]

If you can bring up good reasons as to why it shouldn't be called stupid then maybe I won't think that it's your hobby to tunnel me every once-in-awhile with ridiculously paranoid reasoning

[MartinGG99]

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

Did you answer this MacDougall?

he did

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

the three of you are just wolfy

[TonyStarkPrime]

Guillo not reading roles ever is essentially towny but like please everyone read the setup

[NotAnAxehole]

Guillo not reading roles ever is essentially towny but like please everyone read the setup

No

[MacDougall]

fist

[Guillotine]

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

Did you answer this MacDougall?

he did

I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

the three of you are just wolfy

That’s not really an answer, is it?

[Guillotine]

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

This screams to me like "Oh no! Don't look at Seanzie's wagon, there are a few of my mafia partners of mine here".

I remember this is the post that raised a red flag for me. Disregarding the CFD as stupid rather than scummy is scummy and is probably TMIng some people on Seanzie's wagon town, but who? NAA? TSP? Both? Or could it be that he is calling out his partners stupid for ending up on Seanzie's wagon, outing themselves?

lol you

What you're claiming about me TMI'ing the wagon is about equally reachy as the hypothetical thought that LP TMI'ed the Seanzie voters as town in this quote:

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

And besides, I thought Dizzy made it very clear and brought up good evidence that Seanzie was probably town based on post wording and meta. I even vouched for it since I compared it to a past mafia game of Seanzie's. Additionally, aside from that, there hardly had been any valid discussion about any sort of perceived scumminess of Seanzie.

Anyone who CFD'ed Seanzie, even disregarding the fact that it was a CFD, was acting fundamentally stupid.

Nah. There is no player here that is stupid, every action and every read must be assumed to be have been done considering all the risks and benefits. The CFD was deliberate and judging it as stupid is taking away from its importance.

[Guillotine]

Guillo not reading roles ever is essentially towny but like please everyone read the setup

I always read the set up and rules but i got a new job that demands a lot of my time and energy, i dont have time for reading setups and speculating about it.

Gavial dying after sussing TSP/Marmot and having claimed vig is a bit incriminating for you two. More for you as you were part of that CFD that eliminated Seanzie.

[Dolby]

And if Gavial was redirected and killed Jack instead, did Dolby lie about their roleblock on Gavial?

I never blocked Gav

I blocked Wilgy last night

[Guillotine]

And if Gavial was redirected and killed Jack instead, did Dolby lie about their roleblock on Gavial?

I never blocked Gav

I blocked Wilgy last night

Oh ok. That removes you from my speculation

[Lime Coke]

I blocked Gavial.

[MartinGG99]

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

This screams to me like "Oh no! Don't look at Seanzie's wagon, there are a few of my mafia partners of mine here".

I remember this is the post that raised a red flag for me. Disregarding the CFD as stupid rather than scummy is scummy and is probably TMIng some people on Seanzie's wagon town, but who? NAA? TSP? Both? Or could it be that he is calling out his partners stupid for ending up on Seanzie's wagon, outing themselves?

lol you

What you're claiming about me TMI'ing the wagon is about equally reachy as the hypothetical thought that LP TMI'ed the Seanzie voters as town in this quote:

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

And besides, I thought Dizzy made it very clear and brought up good evidence that Seanzie was probably town based on post wording and meta. I even vouched for it since I compared it to a past mafia game of Seanzie's. Additionally, aside from that, there hardly had been any valid discussion about any sort of perceived scumminess of Seanzie.

Anyone who CFD'ed Seanzie, even disregarding the fact that it was a CFD, was acting fundamentally stupid.

Nah. There is no player here that is stupid, every action and every read must be assumed to be have been done considering all the risks and benefits. The CFD was deliberate and judging it as stupid is taking away from its importance.

Oh I never said anybody was stupid.

People can and will still do the absurdly dumbest of things though; myself will also do something very stupid at some point (if not already in my life).

Thing is, sometimes its really difficult to tell the difference between town stupid and mafia open-wolfing...especially since the # of votes far exceeded the number of mafia.

[MartinGG99]

And, also, like

mafia never intend to appear scummy

and yet they will (for which reason they are caught)

Likewise, town generally never intend to do something stupid or not really solvy

and yet sometimes they eventually will

[Marmot]

What if Gavial intended to kill Marmot but was redirected?

Are there redirections here?

He did intend to kill me and lmao that would be funny.

[Marmot]

Guillo not reading roles ever is essentially towny but like please everyone read the setup

I always read the set up and rules but i got a new job that demands a lot of my time and energy, i dont have time for reading setups and speculating about it.

Gavial dying after sussing TSP/Marmot and having claimed vig is a bit incriminating for you two. More for you as you were part of that CFD that eliminated Seanzie.

I guess, but if someone was going to kill someone you thought was towncleared, you'd try to stop that if you could wouldn't you?

[Guillotine]

Guillo not reading roles ever is essentially towny but like please everyone read the setup

I always read the set up and rules but i got a new job that demands a lot of my time and energy, i dont have time for reading setups and speculating about it.

Gavial dying after sussing TSP/Marmot and having claimed vig is a bit incriminating for you two. More for you as you were part of that CFD that eliminated Seanzie.

I guess, but if someone was going to kill someone you thought was towncleared, you'd try to stop that if you could wouldn't you?

Which according to you TSP wouldnt be able to as the kill is delayed no?
Gavial voiced wanting to kill you yesterday and died the following night.

[Guillotine]

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

This screams to me like "Oh no! Don't look at Seanzie's wagon, there are a few of my mafia partners of mine here".

I remember this is the post that raised a red flag for me. Disregarding the CFD as stupid rather than scummy is scummy and is probably TMIng some people on Seanzie's wagon town, but who? NAA? TSP? Both? Or could it be that he is calling out his partners stupid for ending up on Seanzie's wagon, outing themselves?

lol you

What you're claiming about me TMI'ing the wagon is about equally reachy as the hypothetical thought that LP TMI'ed the Seanzie voters as town in this quote:

I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

And besides, I thought Dizzy made it very clear and brought up good evidence that Seanzie was probably town based on post wording and meta. I even vouched for it since I compared it to a past mafia game of Seanzie's. Additionally, aside from that, there hardly had been any valid discussion about any sort of perceived scumminess of Seanzie.

Anyone who CFD'ed Seanzie, even disregarding the fact that it was a CFD, was acting fundamentally stupid.

Nah. There is no player here that is stupid, every action and every read must be assumed to be have been done considering all the risks and benefits. The CFD was deliberate and judging it as stupid is taking away from its importance.

Oh I never said anybody was stupid.

People can and will still do the absurdly dumbest of things though; myself will also do something very stupid at some point (if not already in my life).

Thing is, sometimes its really difficult to tell the difference between town stupid and mafia open-wolfing...especially since the # of votes far exceeded the number of mafia.

Far exceeded the number of mafia?

[Marmot]

Guillo not reading roles ever is essentially towny but like please everyone read the setup

I always read the set up and rules but i got a new job that demands a lot of my time and energy, i dont have time for reading setups and speculating about it.

Gavial dying after sussing TSP/Marmot and having claimed vig is a bit incriminating for you two. More for you as you were part of that CFD that eliminated Seanzie.

I guess, but if someone was going to kill someone you thought was towncleared, you'd try to stop that if you could wouldn't you?

Which according to you TSP wouldnt be able to as the kill is delayed no?
Gavial voiced wanting to kill you yesterday and died the following night.

Correct. TSP had to pick Gav as a target N2 if he killed him N3.

[LinearPoint]

If I'm being honest Medic's roleblocking is probably just the optimal play.

WCS we clear 3-4 people from not having preformed the Mafia Factional kill
BCS we roleblock the kill and we know for a fact it was roleblocked and not healed meaning PoE immedaitly is narrowed down to 4 people.

Not to mention Mafia has the ability to bypass healing, but not roleblocking.

[MartinGG99]

Far exceeded the number of mafia?

Well I guess not "far" but still exceeded, and I believed there was no strong reason for mafia to be on that wagon especially since it happened so late into the phase and therefore it could not be presumed that everyone had evaluated that wagon or had the ability to switch.

viewtopic.php?p=881067#p881067

This post by the host shows 6 votes on Seanzie.

[Dolby]

If I'm being honest Medic's roleblocking is probably just the optimal play.

WCS we clear 3-4 people from not having preformed the Mafia Factional kill
BCS we roleblock the kill and we know for a fact it was roleblocked and not healed meaning PoE immedaitly is narrowed down to 4 people.

Not to mention Mafia has the ability to bypass healing, but not roleblocking.

yeah, this

[LinearPoint]

From OP: "The faction also has one crit canteen, which can turn their faction-kill into a critical hit, making it ignore all protections and defenses, for one night. If only one member of the faction is alive, every kill they make will be a critical hit."

It specifically says protection and defense but not roleblocks.

[Dolby]

I think if we vote off Wilgy the only oen who can mess with roleblock stuff is NAA

[MartinGG99]

If I'm being honest Medic's roleblocking is probably just the optimal play.

WCS we clear 3-4 people from not having preformed the Mafia Factional kill
BCS we roleblock the kill and we know for a fact it was roleblocked and not healed meaning PoE immedaitly is narrowed down to 4 people.

Not to mention Mafia has the ability to bypass healing, but not roleblocking.

I wouldn't like to be role-blocked but it is also possible to remove any doubt on my slot (*cough* *cough* guilo *cough* *cough*) by simply role-blocking me once.

If the Engineer is roleblocked or survives a kill attempt due to protection, the oldest building in the base will be destroyed in the crossfire.

[...]

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:


- Engineer: The first time in the game one of his buildings would be destroyed (except by a Spy), it survives.

[Dolby]

Martin, I'll rb you tonight, sure

[Dolby]

oh wait I didn't read fully,

uh I'll ocnsider it later when I look at possiblities again lol

[LinearPoint]

I think if we vote off Wilgy the only oen who can mess with roleblock stuff is NAA

Actually that would be me, not NAA.
I would say I could just go to the engineer base, but unfortunately I can't go to red base since I'm the Blue Pyro and the Blue Engie is dead.
I'll probably either not act tonight or protect one of the roleblockers.

[DrWilgy]

And if Gavial was redirected and killed Jack instead, did Dolby lie about their roleblock on Gavial?

I never blocked Gav

I blocked Wilgy last night

Mphnafe??

Mh mphnefm MhMphMh mph nf.

[Guillotine]

Far exceeded the number of mafia?

Well I guess not "far" but still exceeded, and I believed there was no strong reason for mafia to be on that wagon especially since it happened so late into the phase and therefore it could not be presumed that everyone had evaluated that wagon or had the ability to switch.

viewtopic.php?p=881067#p881067

This post by the host shows 6 votes on Seanzie.

6 votes out of 18 players is considerably less than what would be required for majority IF there was a hammer

[Guillotine]

If DrWilgy is town im not playing with him again. We dont need to chop him if he was town and helped us solve rather than maintaining a gambit

[LinearPoint]

And if Gavial was redirected and killed Jack instead, did Dolby lie about their roleblock on Gavial?

I never blocked Gav

I blocked Wilgy last night

Mphnafe??

Mh mphnefm MhMphMh mph nf.

I assume this translates to something sensible like "And you're voting me?"

[Dolby]

And if Gavial was redirected and killed Jack instead, did Dolby lie about their roleblock on Gavial?

I never blocked Gav

I blocked Wilgy last night

Mphnafe??

Mh mphnefm MhMphMh mph nf.

do one Mmph if you want to say you weren't blocked

two if you were lol

[Dolby]

Honestly I think it'd be really funny if Wilgy is wolf and did the gimmick in scum chat

probably frustrating for wolves if true, but funny to read postgame

[DrWilgy]

If DrWilgy is town im not playing with him again. We dont need to chop him if he was town and helped us solve rather than maintaining a gambit

*Lifts mask*

Damn dude, just having some fun, didn't mean to ruin your enjoyment of the game. Sorry if so.

Don't think me goofing around will impact it that much. My misyeet this game to goof off will be minor at most.

If I'm to say anything it's neat that not even NAA is trying to save me at this point.

Cycle 1 I didn't submit anything.

N2 I used the air blast to protect NAA.

N3 I targeted TSP as gav instructed.

*Puts mask back on*

Mphahahahahaha!!!

[Dolby]

Wilgy can I ask two questions

I'm assuming you think that TSP is deepwolf, that's fine

what's the realistic solve iye?

[NotAnAxehole]

If DrWilgy is town im not playing with him again. We dont need to chop him if he was town and helped us solve rather than maintaining a gambit

*Lifts mask*

Damn dude, just having some fun, didn't mean to ruin your enjoyment of the game. Sorry if so.

Don't think me goofing around will impact it that much. My misyeet this game to goof off will be minor at most.

If I'm to say anything it's neat that not even NAA is trying to save me at this point.

Cycle 1 I didn't submit anything.

N2 I used the air blast to protect NAA.

N3 I targeted TSP as gav instructed.

*Puts mask back on*

Mphahahahahaha!!!

I have not lost my will to defend you, but I'm a bit bored of the game, and I'm obligated to sheep Marmot.

[TonyStarkPrime]

did someone block wilgy last night

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dolby did, good