[TOWN WIN] Lost in Space Mafia

[Creature]

Leaning Mac because I think their push on Sean seems to have more wolf agenda while my main problem with Wilgy is that they've just been coasting all game.

[NotAnAxehole]

We should prob settle what to do if Mac is town.

For me, if it's not Mac, then it is Wilgy. But that's more because I think this game should be quite simple and I don't expect Alison and Seanzie to heroic bus each other.

I want Wilgy first because I think that's correct and I want a clean voting record.

[Creature]

We're missing votes from me and Mac for hammer to be activated.

I don't think I even voted for it. Only asked how I could activate it.

Hope this can be done in-thread because I'm too lazy to PM.

[NotAnAxehole]

If I don't have 100% voting this game, I'm considering it a loss.

[Creature]

We should prob settle what to do if Mac is town.

For me, if it's not Mac, then it is Wilgy. But that's more because I think this game should be quite simple and I don't expect Alison and Seanzie to heroic bus each other.

I want Wilgy first because I think that's correct and I want a clean voting record.

tbh I trust you the most alignmentwise and accuracywise so I can follow you there.

[Creature]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Creature]

If I don't have 100% voting this game, I'm considering it a loss.

Guess I'm fine with wolves dying already regardless of how well I perform.

[Seanzie]

We should prob settle what to do if Mac is town.

For me, if it's not Mac, then it is Wilgy. But that's more because I think this game should be quite simple and I don't expect Alison and Seanzie to heroic bus each other.

As a group I don't think we should do this, and personally I just refuse to do this.

I've given my legacy in case of Mac flipping town and I die, but I am not committing to one course of action in F3 if flipping Mac doesn't just end it.

[Seanzie]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

[NotAnAxehole]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

[Seanzie]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

[Seanzie]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Or he kills me tonight and he convinces Creature to flip on you.

[NotAnAxehole]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Not my problem. I think DrWilgy is mafia, and I'm staking my 100% accuracy on it.

[Seanzie]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Not my problem. I think DrWilgy is mafia, and I'm staking my 100% accuracy on it.

I kindly ask you to please play to your true wincon, not a wincon you make up.

[DrWilgy]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

[NotAnAxehole]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Not my problem. I think DrWilgy is mafia, and I'm staking my 100% accuracy on it.

I kindly ask you to please play to your true wincon, not a wincon you make up.

Is my wincon not to vote for mafia? I'm not going to have this discussion with you.

[NotAnAxehole]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

[DrWilgy]

And I reckon that I like the interactions between Mac and Seanzie current as well.

[DrWilgy]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

Sure thing partner. I'm turning on the computer now to try to figure this fiasco out.

[Creature]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Or he kills me tonight and he convinces Creature to flip on you.

Uh oh guess I'm the potential screw up factor.

[Seanzie]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Not my problem. I think DrWilgy is mafia, and I'm staking my 100% accuracy on it.

I kindly ask you to please play to your true wincon, not a wincon you make up.

Is my wincon not to vote for mafia? I'm not going to have this discussion with you.

Your wincon is to try to win as town.

If you truly think Wilgy is mafia and we vote Mac today and Mac flips town, Wilgy goes over tomorrow pretty much every time.

if instead you're wrong on Mac, and we vote Wilgy and Mac is mafia, then Mac goes over maybe 60-70% of the time tomorrow... and that's if I'm being generous.

If you are truly confident on me/Creature being town, then Mac is the correct vote here. Like, no offense to Wilgy, but I don't see wolf!Wilgy backed into a corner in F3 as as much of a threat as wolf!Mac backed into a corner in F3.

[Seanzie]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Or he kills me tonight and he convinces Creature to flip on you.

Uh oh guess I'm the potential screw up factor.

Sorry, I don't mean it like that, but like... Mac can be persuasive.

[Creature]

Gonna wait you two reach a common ground. I'm fine voting any of Mac/Wilgy today but hitting the right one is preferable.

[Creature]

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

If we flip anyone other than Mac today, I'mma be super pissed.

Y'all really think it is a good idea to take PoE Mac into F3? No. It is not.

I will instantly flip Mac in final 3 if he's there. No discussion.

So he kills you tonight and then I have to sit there and thunderdome with him for a whole other day, and who knows what Creature does?

Or he kills me tonight and he convinces Creature to flip on you.

Uh oh guess I'm the potential screw up factor.

Sorry, I don't mean it like that, but like... Mac can be persuasive.

I know. I will probably feel really bad mislynching Mac in F3.

[Syn]

The vote for a hammer needs to be unanimous. I currently only have logged votes from two players.

[Seanzie]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

Sure thing partner. I'm turning on the computer now to try to figure this fiasco out.

And?

[NotAnAxehole]

The vote for a hammer needs to be unanimous. I currently only have logged votes from two players.

Exactly, it's more of a tease... Like oh, you could have this, but actually, it's basically impossible.

[NotAnAxehole]

By the way, is there any forum on this site that has a less appropriate name than "The Hustle"?

Where is the town?

Thanks, Syn.

[NotAnAxehole]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

Sure thing partner. I'm turning on the computer now to try to figure this fiasco out.

And?

What do you think of him now?

[Seanzie]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

Sure thing partner. I'm turning on the computer now to try to figure this fiasco out.

And?

What do you think of him now?

Mostly I'm just annoyed.

Him not posting again after saying that is probably slightly more wolf-indicative than town indicative since wolves might have a harder time thinking of something to say in that situation (but some town do as well), but all this really does is more cement him in my PoE rather than change the order of my PoE. A few hours of silence is not going to somehow beat out a multi-day case.

That being said, @DrWilgy is currently on-elim, and while I don't think it is the best elim, I'm not going to fight it if they're AFK, so the onus is on them to change the game state, and so they need to show back up.

[Creature]

By the way, is there any forum on this site that has a less appropriate name than "The Hustle"?

Where is the town?

Thanks, Syn.

Maybe if I wait long enough wolves will drop dead

[Creature]

Worked out D2 at least

[DrWilgy]

But I ain't mafia dangummit

Sure thing partner. I'm turning on the computer now to try to figure this fiasco out.

And?

What do you think of him now?

Mostly I'm just annoyed.

Him not posting again after saying that is probably slightly more wolf-indicative than town indicative since wolves might have a harder time thinking of something to say in that situation (but some town do as well), but all this really does is more cement him in my PoE rather than change the order of my PoE. A few hours of silence is not going to somehow beat out a multi-day case.

That being said, @DrWilgy is currently on-elim, and while I don't think it is the best elim, I'm not going to fight it if they're AFK, so the onus is on them to change the game state, and so they need to show back up.

Nah I'm just busy. Can't really cowpoke and play today until I get a moment. Wife's been stressed about wedding stuff and I figured helping her destress was more important than ISO jumping when I have alittle under 24 hours.

You'll see me soonish.

[NotAnAxehole]

@DrWilgy is your roleplay supposed to in some way relate to the show, or the original series?

I ask because it makes it seem like you've never watched the show, is that accurate?

[NotAnAxehole]

@Seanzie you realize the way the votes stand you're going to have to self-pres

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy is your roleplay supposed to in some way relate to the show, or the original series?

I ask because it makes it seem like you've never watched the show, is that accurate?

Partner, I watched 2 episodes with the wife and that's about it.

I just felt like this vernacular would be cute to hold as long as possible considering some goons started basing meta reads on me for what they deem as gimmicks.

[NotAnAxehole]

@DrWilgy is your roleplay supposed to in some way relate to the show, or the original series?

I ask because it makes it seem like you've never watched the show, is that accurate?

Partner, I watched 2 episodes with the wife and that's about it.

I just felt like this vernacular would be cute to hold as long as possible considering some goons started basing meta reads on me for what they deem as gimmicks.

Ok, yeah... I started watching to understand your gimmick and I'm like, it's a bit off. I do appreciate the effort though.

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie you realize the way the votes stand you're going to have to self-pres

I have thought about potential EoD situations and I plan to come to the thread closeish to EoD tomorrow to make sure I don't need to do anything, but self-pres would only be necessary if Wilgy votes me well before EoD. Assuming you and Creature don't move votes, my analysis is:

1.) If Wilgy votes Mac, I will stay where I'm at and let it rand between Mac and Wilgy (assuming Mac doesn't self pres, if he does, my vote is meaningless to the elim, so whatever).

2.) If Wilgy votes me, I will self-pres onto Wilgy.

3.) If Wilgy votes someone else, I will stay where I'm at and Wilgy will die, or possibly move to Wilgy, idk, we'll see. Either way it should not affect the outcome unless... 4.) happens.

4.) If Wilgy tries to do something tricky like vote Mac (to keep me on Mac), up until the very last second where they push onto me for a snipe, I would think that everyone in the thread would interpret that as a scum claim and you always just immedately turbo Wilgy in F3 if I die (So @DrWilgy I am trusting that if you're town, you will not do this. If for some crazy reason you think voting me is the right thing to do, do it at least an hour or two before EoD, or it will be interpreted as a scum confession by anyone alive tomorrow).

[Seanzie]

@DrWilgy is your roleplay supposed to in some way relate to the show, or the original series?

I ask because it makes it seem like you've never watched the show, is that accurate?

Partner, I watched 2 episodes with the wife and that's about it.

I just felt like this vernacular would be cute to hold as long as possible considering some goons started basing meta reads on me for what they deem as gimmicks.

In character or out of character, I'd appreciate some thoughts/content about the game. If you're town you need to be found. If you're scum... well... also you need to be found.

[MacDougall]

I am really just not seeing the wolf notes I expect from Wilgy here. Slanky shit talking Wilgy is almost always his town form. I have caught him a lot recently simply because he's awkward as fuck when he actually tries to make pushes when he's mafia. It's not a super strong read but I doubt killing him here ends the game.

But ... nobody is exactly outed so.

[MacDougall]

I re-read Alison's ISO. I'm so conflicted. I'll just kind of highlight what my thoughts were:

Creature - According to Alison, Creature hardly exists. You could read the ISO and forget that he is playing. It's very similar to how Alison handled my slot with the caveat that it deviates on D2... She had to find a D2 push, and I was on her case.

DrWilgy - Alison plays like DrWilgy isn't there, but then occasionally throws a weak town read that always has some sort of limp justification to it. I read this as extremely partner-y which is a big reason why I think DrWilgy is mafia (there's also another reason I have in mind, but flip a coin, I might get mod killed for voicing it - so I will refrain)

MacDougall - If I'm right, then the only positive thing MacDougall has done this game is he brought up DrWilgy as a potential target today... Everyone has bad games, but I almost feel like it's a disrespect to say Mac is town even if I kind of think he is, and I don't know if I could justify not making him one of the two eliminations. D1 consists of Alison going out of her way to be partner-y with Mac & Seanzie. There are other things that Alison does in her ISO that I think make Mac town... I'm not sure how to evaluate this because I think Alison was obvious wolf this game, but I don't know how she views her own game, so it's hard for me to judge how much she was setting up her own death as of D1, I would guess it probably wasn't at the top of the agenda...

Seanzie - Alison's approach to this slot is the same as her approach to Mac with the wrinkle that Alison has to try to convince Seanzie D2... I really have a sense that this interaction would have gone differently if W/W... Even the vote at EoD, I was fully expecting town!Creature to tie it up... So there's a good chance Alison bet on that as well - which would make Seanzie a ML target, not a distancing target.

@MacDougall TBH, it reads like Alison was setting up to 1v1 you in F5, and whether town or mafia, you were just willingly walking the plank.

@MacDougall TBH, it reads like Alison was setting up to 1v1 you in F5, and whether town or mafia, you were just willingly walking the plank.

Can you walk me through this? Personally, I think they have been trying to powerwolf for a sweep. Given the setup and player list, this is exactly what I would expect them to try for, and D1 makes sense for this, and Mac's attitude at SoD2 makes sense with this, as well as their posts about each other townleaning each other stronger than I would expect from either of them (except you know... when I was grilling them for hours about each other to the point where they absolutely had to show some "possible wolf here" thoughts)

There may have been times where they considered pivoting away from this strategy, but if I'm right about Mac here, I think this was their thought and general gameplan.

I will choose not to, but I agree with you if you're down for Mac + DrWilgy as the two elims.

I don't think Mac kills Falcon, it's not in his best interest. *shrug*

@MacDougall TBH, it reads like Alison was setting up to 1v1 you in F5, and whether town or mafia, you were just willingly walking the plank.

Can you walk me through this? Personally, I think they have been trying to powerwolf for a sweep. Given the setup and player list, this is exactly what I would expect them to try for, and D1 makes sense for this, and Mac's attitude at SoD2 makes sense with this, as well as their posts about each other townleaning each other stronger than I would expect from either of them (except you know... when I was grilling them for hours about each other to the point where they absolutely had to show some "possible wolf here" thoughts)

There may have been times where they considered pivoting away from this strategy, but if I'm right about Mac here, I think this was their thought and general gameplan.

I will choose not to, but I agree with you if you're down for Mac + DrWilgy as the two elims.

In a world where Mac is town, DrWilgy is my next most likely suspect and as a legacy I will leave that they should be most scrutinized tomorrow if I am not alive, but I always re-evaluate everyone in a FX situation, and I recommend everyone in FX do the same if it gets to that. I don't think it will though, and I think Mac just ends this.

I think DrWilgy is mafia, so I'm gonna vote for them today... If I get to final 3, the odds of me voting Mac on policy is very high. Simply put, I think regardless of his alignment, he has put himself in a position to lose, and I can't overlook that if it goes to F3.

@MacDougall thoughts?

Yes I mean in hindsight Alison was clearly just doing the old sheep and shield Mac dealio. The question is whether she was doing that because I was right (Seanzie) and wanted to hedge between the two of them in the event one went over, or whether she was doing it because I was wrong and she thought a town might throw to Seanzie. Do you remember what the order of the Alison voting was? Was there an Alison voter prior to her voting Seanzie?

[NotAnAxehole]

if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps

I gotta say Fext, this post ain't no good look for you.

Creature being so high up is either a teammate interaction or it's revealing too much info.

Alison and I being so low as well. Well now, I just don't know about that.

At first, I did agree with what Ms. Alison had to say about you and that rascal LC, but I also liked both of your initial responses. This, however, well this just ain't right.

Can we at least all agree how bad this post looks with the benefit of hindsight?

[NotAnAxehole]

also I sympathize with Creature's thoughts about the gamestate and therefore it's more likely imo we're on the same team

also it can't both be a teammate interaction AND too much info - he's either exactly scum or exactly town, there is no in-between

Who suggested it was a teammate interaction/TMI?

*tips cowboy hat*

if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps

I gotta say Fext, this post ain't no good look for you.

Creature being so high up is either a teammate interaction or it's revealing too much info.

Alison and I being so low as well. Well now, I just don't know about that.

At first, I did agree with what Ms. Alison had to say about you and that rascal LC, but I also liked both of your initial responses. This, however, well this just ain't right.

Can someone point me to any other instance where Alison couldn't find a quote in the thread - specifically a quote she took notice of?

[NotAnAxehole]

Thanks. Must have missed that post while reading.

I don't think Wilgy's read is that objectionable. He's just saying "there's no real reason to put Creature up high, which means you know something about Creature we don't and have an outside agenda regarding him".

The next two posts

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

here's hoping

[MacDougall]

I reeeeeally don't wanna play f3 so can wilgy just be mafia please. That'd just be aces.

[DrWilgy]

I reeeeeally don't wanna play f3 so can wilgy just be mafia please. That'd just be aces.

Y'know. Good luck there Sheriff. Unless your rascal.

You goons going to f3 without me lol.

[DrWilgy]

Actually. Yeah. Just fucking kill me lol. I don't want to mess up another f3.

[MacDougall]

@NotAnAxehole what is you doinggggg

[Seanzie]

@NotAnAxehole what is you doinggggg

Hopefully he's ending the game today.