GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Justplayingitcool]

I could be persuaded on radishes

[Belzy]

Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but if mafia actually chose teams, I could see this as a perspective slip, and that would be kind of funny.

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

This has more fur than a wooly mammoth.

Let's just chop marmot lmaoooooo

Marmot chops make the world go round. (I support this idea)

Thought about it and I actually kinda think this more than Pao rn:

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Ender calls out Marmot and eventually votes there, but I don't find that clearing. He was not the first one to call out Marmot. This is kind of the thing though, I don't think mafia pushing on Marmot would be weird at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if Marmot asked people to do it, but that is obviously just speculation. In any case, the wagon didn't run its course, because Dya shot Marmot. I do town read Nut, and I think Mac is probably town now as well. Beyond that, Ender plays in a trolly way, but it just feels kind of uneasy to me still. It's just a vibe, but I don't really like it. Hate his vote on me now too. I just don't like the whole thing.

Qfr

[TonyStarkPrime]

Update: unclear if anyone’s asking to be shot

[Dyslexicon]

One more thing, Creature and Axe had a really awkward interaction. If one of them flips mafia, please look at their interaction.

[Belzy]

Why Ender?

It would be very cool if you could read my posts, even though you're so very good at reading me and sure I'm scum.

I opened the door to have a live conversation about your Ender case, and you immediately closed that door. You could have said you already made your case, but you prefer in a 3k posts game to zing me whenever I as an ADD case don't instance remember every little detail.

[alexa]

#2950 feels very towny for Dizzy, I say without reading any of his other posts but yeah

What is the foundation of the push on him?

[alexa]

why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters

I'm thinking because they were defending marmot who flipped mafia. I don't know if that's a norm for them though to defend a teammate like that.

Oh Sabie answered me before

Is that the only reason

[Belzy]

We are now officially chopping off lhf town heads for no other reason than them being lhf. This has to stop.

ok, what's your better idea then

Decide today's lynch between someone like Sloonei, Dizzy, Axhole... or someone else interesting yet suspicious

I know why I'm voting axehole but why would you?

Because I find Axhole scummy. He is coasting despite having 53 posts, never making a strong push, keeps calling you scum but does not answer or give a real reason for that. While I am used from Axhole to be more pushy, reckless, and very very present in the thread (not per say by post count, but personality or energy).

[hollowkatt]

#2950 feels very towny for Dizzy, I say without reading any of his other posts but yeah

What is the foundation of the push on him?

yeah, it's a +ev position for town to take, -ev position for wolves like always

[hollowkatt]

We are now officially chopping off lhf town heads for no other reason than them being lhf. This has to stop.

ok, what's your better idea then

Decide today's lynch between someone like Sloonei, Dizzy, Axhole... or someone else interesting yet suspicious

I know why I'm voting axehole but why would you?

Because I find Axhole scummy. He is coasting despite having 53 posts, never making a strong push, keeps calling you scum but does not answer or give a real reason for that. While I am used from Axhole to be more pushy, reckless, and very very present in the thread (not per say by post count, but personality or energy).

ok you can be town, you've noticed basically the exact same things I have.

[alexa]

I don't think defending Marmot makes Dizzy a wolf and I don't think he can be read that way. I don't want to give my god read on him yet but GTH he is a villager.

[Belzy]

Why the hell would you chose me for your wolf team.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but if mafia actually chose teams, I could see this as a perspective slip, and that would be kind of funny.

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

This has more fur than a wooly mammoth.

Let's just chop marmot lmaoooooo

Marmot chops make the world go round. (I support this idea)

Thought about it and I actually kinda think this more than Pao rn:

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Ender calls out Marmot and eventually votes there, but I don't find that clearing. He was not the first one to call out Marmot. This is kind of the thing though, I don't think mafia pushing on Marmot would be weird at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if Marmot asked people to do it, but that is obviously just speculation. In any case, the wagon didn't run its course, because Dya shot Marmot. I do town read Nut, and I think Mac is probably town now as well. Beyond that, Ender plays in a trolly way, but it just feels kind of uneasy to me still. It's just a vibe, but I don't really like it. Hate his vote on me now too. I just don't like the whole thing.

Qfr

I find Dizzy his case on Ender weak, and he avoids a live conversation about which would have been more solving. Instead he just multi quote some Ender posts to make a case, and I've seen scummies do that.

[Belzy]

I wanna lynch Dizzy or Axhole today.

[Dyslexicon]

Why Ender?

It would be very cool if you could read my posts, even though you're so very good at reading me and sure I'm scum.

I opened the door to have a live conversation about your Ender case, and you immediately closed that door. You could have said you already made your case, but you prefer in a 3k posts game to zing me whenever I as an ADD case don't instance remember every little detail.

Please get some perspective. I am not the one closing the door on you. I will not feel bad for you. I literally need to go now. Good luck with your solving in the meantime. Would love to hear what you think of Ender.

[Dyslexicon]

I find Dizzy his case on Ender weak, and he avoids a live conversation about which would have been more solving. Instead he just multi quote some Ender posts to make a case, and I've seen scummies do that.

You are a marvel to behold. I really fucking hope Ender is scum here.

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, if it's possible Belzy legit derped as scum, it's not impossible she's in fact scum here. She tunnels me as mafia as well. And she's very good as mafia. I do remember thinking the derp was legit when it happened though, so don't run away with this. Just way for further down the line, don't get completely blind.

[Dyslexicon]

Also I didn't defend Marmot lol. And I didn't want to get whiny this game. And I have visitors now being like lol what are you going through

[DrWilgy]

Actually I don't think I've been properly D1'd in awhile?

In Philo I got vigged on D2 or something though. *glares at Wilgy*

You are delicious and I'd do it again.

[hollowkatt]

gonna just call dizzy town and move on. Wolf dizzy is savvy, calculating, and a cold hearted killer. This is not that dizzy.

[DrWilgy]

Dizzy is always savvy.

[Sloonei]

Dizzy is town by default

[hollowkatt]

Dizzy is always savvy.

different flavors

[Creature]

This stage of the game is annoying

[DrWilgy]

Mmmm.... Dizzy flavors.

[Creature]

I suppose we're now gonna kill a lot of unknown LHFs who will all just flip town

[Creature]

Also, am I the only one here unsatisfied with Alison so far?

[hollowkatt]

I suppose we're now gonna kill a lot of unknown LHFs who will all just flip town

that is how mashes are played yes and this is basically a mash with long phases.

[Sloonei]

Killing the so-called low hanging fruits is not a bad option in the absence of more substantial suspects.

[Creature]

I suppose we're now gonna kill a lot of unknown LHFs who will all just flip town

that is how mashes are played yes and this is basically a mash with long phases.

but mashes are at least active and you get a lot of chances to blast wolf. We had like 4-5 shots today and so far we're 1/4 on them.

[Creature]

Killing the so-called low hanging fruits is not a bad option in the absence of more substantial suspects.

It's still demotivating to see them flip town

[Master Radishes]

How many times can Dya call me 'flat' before D1 ends

Over/under is 3.5 more times

[alexa]

Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘Marmot will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

No don't this just gets you vigged instead.

this is kind of iconic in retrospect

[Master Radishes]

I need a new place for my vote and I am out until maybe just before Day ends.

[DrWilgy]

Guillotine is scum until someone tells me otherwise.

[dyachei]

How many times can Dya call me 'flat' before D1 ends

Over/under is 3.5 more times

try being 3d then? i mean i know you can do better and you're not

[Urist]

I'm just waiting for @NotAnAxehole to reveal that red check in about three and a half hours. HYPE!!!!!!!

[DrWilgy]

Just statistically speaking.

It's Guillo, MR and Belzy.

[hollowkatt]

I suppose we're now gonna kill a lot of unknown LHFs who will all just flip town

that is how mashes are played yes and this is basically a mash with long phases.

but mashes are at least active and you get a lot of chances to blast wolf. We had like 4-5 shots today and so far we're 1/4 on them.

yeah, valid point

[DrWilgy]

I'm just waiting for @NotAnAxehole to reveal that red check in about three and a half hours. HYPE!!!!!!!

Hype!

[hollowkatt]

Just statistically speaking.

It's Guillo, MR and Belzy.

talk to me about guillo because I'm reading him townie. I don't think you can really read him on content or play D1 it's really about tone and I think his tone here is more frustrated and less jokey and frustrated guillo is way more often to be town guillo.

[alexa]

#1405

leaning town on Ender

[alexa]

Why is this important to you? The answer is no, I never played with paopan.

because, if me/Scotty were the only people Pao played with, that would be the only way i could realistically see him having the earlier thought of picking me. which i'd thought was a scum slip, but i changed my mind after his big wall post

[nutella]

Catching up

Radishes very obvious believes what he's saying in 2585 and I don't agree but he is clearly town and I believe mac is too

Dizzy on the other hand

No

He's limp and tags on and makes a point of connecting it to marmot and it's all fake

Re: Mac

(I'm probably not going to articulate this as well as I intend to.)

I cracked open some games in the last year I've played with him to double check my feelings (Witcher, Spiderverse, GoC). Mac is known for being abrasive, in yo face, etc as both alignments (where others poke he punches), but I've found there's a slightly different taste to it depending on his alignment. As town he will do his little shtick of quoting a post and being like 'this smells like poop' and then call them scum 20 times for the rest of the round. But he also evolves his reads. Like he gets a light ping by someone, and starts bopping their noses, but then if they get townier he stops and something else pings him and he finds a new punching bag. Along the way he still backreads and analyses and builds cases to confirm or challenge his own reads.

Conversely, scum!Mac mimics that. He remembers to be abrasive and punchy, but he gets caught in a fake worldview for longer and finds it harder to evolve his reads convincingly. He'll take a post that fake-pings him and stick to that read for a long time. He also often forgets to do any actual work to back up his takes. His posts tend to be much shorter and more to the point. If his thread position is secure as the game goes on this can change, and he can start manipulating events to his will, but early on and if people aren't convinced of him he just tries to double down and become more of a bulldozer. (This is exactly what he's doing to me now that I've sussed him.) (FYI he's also not adverse to throwing shade at a partner and even pushing others to vote them, so a one-off suss of Marmot earlier is not clearing in the slightest.)


I am in no way 100% convinced he's scum here (I never am with Mac) but his game so far fits my view of his scum game far more than his town game.

I agree with this account. There's no backbone to Mac's worldview when he's scum. He also never really lands anything. I'm going to reread Mac to see how I feel and also how he treated Marmot. I think his vote was on Marmot when he got shot, but don't remember how he got there.

Bleh

[alexa]

But also there’s a lot of pretty hot and cute people in this game, so that helps.

I have one read and that is Guillo town. I’ll explain if that is controversial, but I don’t expect it to be.

@Dyslexicon please do

I'm very confident he's in his wolf range right now.

[alexa]

But also there’s a lot of pretty hot and cute people in this game, so that helps.

I have one read and that is Guillo town. I’ll explain if that is controversial, but I don’t expect it to be.

I saw exactly one post from guillo last night and my gut was leaning towards town as well. I don't remember what that post was

He said he was gonna destroy wolves and gets things done on his own. And I kind of buy it, seems unnecessary flowery as a mafia lie.

he does this as both alignments, and can be over-performative about it as wolf

[alexa]

Also, as someone who never reads the OP...did no one read the OP?

Like the first lines from Nanook demand and plead with you to read it. It has clearly stated from the beginning the whole 'choose mates or choose roles' thing.

No one is allowed to be derpcleared from this.

I cannot find the picking teammates bit. In which spoiler is it? I do read the soup kill part now. @Dyslexicon omg, there is a soupkill this game!! At least we know what that means

i low-key agree with MR's original sentiment, but Belzy doubling down here feels villagy to me

[NotAnAxehole]

One more thing, Creature and Axe had a really awkward interaction. If one of them flips mafia, please look at their interaction.

I had an interaction with Creature?

[nutella]

Does anyone town read me? lol. It's like someone says a read on me, and then everyone has that read. It pretty much happens every game. If the game has enough of the right people in it, the read will be scum. It's very predictable. Not to be all boss bitch, but I haven't lost a game I was mafia in for years. And now everyone thinks they know how to read me and how I work. Oh yes, must be obvious scum. I mean, it's fine. But if I'm right about my strongest town reads and they scum read me back, maybe remember that for next game this time? Thanks for coming to my self pity ted talk.

Was wondering when this point would come up. Hmm

[alexa]

Does anyone town read me? lol. It's like someone says a read on me, and then everyone has that read. It pretty much happens every game. If the game has enough of the right people in it, the read will be scum. It's very predictable. Not to be all boss bitch, but I haven't lost a game I was mafia in for years. And now everyone thinks they know how to read me and how I work. Oh yes, must be obvious scum. I mean, it's fine. But if I'm right about my strongest town reads and they scum read me back, maybe remember that for next game this time? Thanks for coming to my self pity ted talk.

Was wondering when this point would come up. Hmm

his whole series of posting to me these past 2 pages felt very philo mafia 2 to me

and like, i have a ton of respect for dizzy's scum game and i know he'd be capable of that as mafia but the emotions in practice, i hadn't seen to the same degree in his scum games i'd read

[alexa]

I've caught up to the Dizzy stuff on Marmot now

I get the surface-level "bad look" but I don't think scum usually goes "let's let them live, I think their alignment will be obvious by day 2" about their buddies.