GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[alexa]

Guillo voting Dizzy for calling him town feels like w!Guillo #1502

v!Guillo usually has a ton of town entitlement/things he's towny and doesn't react that way to townreads, from what I've seen

[alexa]

Guillo voting Dizzy for calling him town feels like w!Guillo #1502

v!Guillo usually has a ton of town entitlement/thinks he's towny and doesn't react that way to townreads, from what I've seen

ebwop

[Urist]

You haven't used your shot yet right alexa?

[alexa]

You haven't used your shot yet right alexa?

No, don't plan to until I'm completely caught up on the game

[Urist]

Please use it within the next hour or so, so that people who can't be around for dl (me) can make an informed vote

[alexa]

ehhh dizzy townreading me so easily does give me some mild paranoia but it's true that he's had a good read on me and i think i've been objectively towny so i wouldn't really read into it

[nutella]

Does anyone town read me? lol. It's like someone says a read on me, and then everyone has that read. It pretty much happens every game. If the game has enough of the right people in it, the read will be scum. It's very predictable. Not to be all boss bitch, but I haven't lost a game I was mafia in for years. And now everyone thinks they know how to read me and how I work. Oh yes, must be obvious scum. I mean, it's fine. But if I'm right about my strongest town reads and they scum read me back, maybe remember that for next game this time? Thanks for coming to my self pity ted talk.

Was wondering when this point would come up. Hmm

his whole series of posting to me these past 2 pages felt very philo mafia 2 to me

and like, i have a ton of respect for dizzy's scum game and i know he'd be capable of that as mafia but the emotions in practice, i hadn't seen to the same degree in his scum games i'd read

Mayyyyybe

I'm considering it

Also jpic's posts about creature are swinging me back to feeling creature may just be a hit

I'm waffling on it all

[nutella]

Btw @ilario is the deepwolf c4 lol

[Creature]

I'm just waiting for @NotAnAxehole to reveal that red check in about three and a half hours. HYPE!!!!!!!

Oh no

[alexa]

Please use it within the next hour or so, so that people who can't be around for dl (me) can make an informed vote

i don't know if i'll be able to fully catch up in an hour and i'd rather use it when i'm as informed as possible, but i assure you it'll be well before EOD (let's say, i'll give myself until 3 PM EST at the latest)

[alexa]

Why is this important to you? The answer is no, I never played with paopan.

because, if me/Scotty were the only people Pao played with, that would be the only way i could realistically see him having the earlier thought of picking me. which i'd thought was a scum slip, but i changed my mind after his big wall post

to clarify because i'm reading through p.34, i still don't townread paopan and even scum lean him for meta reasons, but realistically i don't think he scum slipped and he could be any alignment

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thinking I’m probably just gonna be treating sabie as toen, if anyone was keeping track

[nutella]

Going over ISOs only to get more unclear about people. I love that for me.

Mfw one of my scumreads isos the other and I no longer have scumreads I love that for you

[Urist]

Imagine reading the thread. What a nightmare

[TonyStarkPrime]

Gonna try for redemption on falcon

[TonyStarkPrime]

Falcon is very towny

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Guillotine]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

[alexa]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

[Guillotine]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

[alexa]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

[nutella]

someone tell me why they think MR is village. he's so flat this game

@dyachei read post 2585 and a couple after it, it's real town pov imo

[Guillotine]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

No. But besides this piece of info is important:

Mod confirmed roles in the thread can never be souped! I run games with soup kills and the first thing i tell scum is that roles or flavor that are mod confirmed in the thread cannot be souped and Nanook has seen them and i'd like to think he learnt from me. Maybe

[Guillotine]

Sorry, i truly gotta go. Up to you what you wanna do with me.

[nutella]

Lmao what

[TonyStarkPrime]

Lol

[nutella]

Re: Mac

(I'm probably not going to articulate this as well as I intend to.)

I cracked open some games in the last year I've played with him to double check my feelings (Witcher, Spiderverse, GoC). Mac is known for being abrasive, in yo face, etc as both alignments (where others poke he punches), but I've found there's a slightly different taste to it depending on his alignment. As town he will do his little shtick of quoting a post and being like 'this smells like poop' and then call them scum 20 times for the rest of the round. But he also evolves his reads. Like he gets a light ping by someone, and starts bopping their noses, but then if they get townier he stops and something else pings him and he finds a new punching bag. Along the way he still backreads and analyses and builds cases to confirm or challenge his own reads.

Conversely, scum!Mac mimics that. He remembers to be abrasive and punchy, but he gets caught in a fake worldview for longer and finds it harder to evolve his reads convincingly. He'll take a post that fake-pings him and stick to that read for a long time. He also often forgets to do any actual work to back up his takes. His posts tend to be much shorter and more to the point. If his thread position is secure as the game goes on this can change, and he can start manipulating events to his will, but early on and if people aren't convinced of him he just tries to double down and become more of a bulldozer. (This is exactly what he's doing to me now that I've sussed him.) (FYI he's also not adverse to throwing shade at a partner and even pushing others to vote them, so a one-off suss of Marmot earlier is not clearing in the slightest.)


I am in no way 100% convinced he's scum here (I never am with Mac) but his game so far fits my view of his scum game far more than his town game.

Having made the terrible mistake of writing many words about a D1 read, I now look forward to being wrong and forever doubting my ability to read Mac in future games.

Like, am I taking crazy pills you guys? When I read these I just went okay radish is extremely obvious town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Shoot Guillo and he’ll flip like VT

[nutella]

Anyway back to the guillo show

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m so confused

[alexa]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

No. But besides this piece of info is important:

Mod confirmed roles in the thread can never be souped! I run games with soup kills and the first thing i tell scum is that roles or flavor that are mod confirmed in the thread cannot be souped and Nanook has seen them and i'd like to think he learnt from me. Maybe

okay. it's tempting NGL but no one thinks i'm a wolf anyway and i think that makes you not a wolf

and if i shoot an actual wolf i can clear myself that way anyway. plus mafia is literally going to be forced to kill me due to my role regardless. so idk if the benefits of being cleared today are worth shooting you if i think you are a villager.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like Alexa is close to doubly mech town and if Guillo has a confirmable role as town I’d like to be trading for a wolf and not for more confirmation of what I know

[TonyStarkPrime]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

No. But besides this piece of info is important:

Mod confirmed roles in the thread can never be souped! I run games with soup kills and the first thing i tell scum is that roles or flavor that are mod confirmed in the thread cannot be souped and Nanook has seen them and i'd like to think he learnt from me. Maybe

okay. it's tempting NGL but no one thinks i'm a wolf anyway and i think that makes you not a wolf

and if i shoot an actual wolf i can clear myself that way anyway. plus mafia is literally going to be forced to kill me due to my role regardless. so idk if the benefits of being cleared today are worth shooting you if i think you are a villager.

Have you claimed a role

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca why are you voting Alison of all people?

I don't want her to feel left out.



Also, I think she's Maf

[TonyStarkPrime]

The stupid thing is this is an incredibly wolfy gambit from Guillo except for the part where it might work

[alexa]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

No. But besides this piece of info is important:

Mod confirmed roles in the thread can never be souped! I run games with soup kills and the first thing i tell scum is that roles or flavor that are mod confirmed in the thread cannot be souped and Nanook has seen them and i'd like to think he learnt from me. Maybe

okay. it's tempting NGL but no one thinks i'm a wolf anyway and i think that makes you not a wolf

and if i shoot an actual wolf i can clear myself that way anyway. plus mafia is literally going to be forced to kill me due to my role regardless. so idk if the benefits of being cleared today are worth shooting you if i think you are a villager.

Have you claimed a role

not outright because i don't want to be souped. but i claimed information and my PR is good.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ok

[alexa]

In only 10 posts, Porscha has

hi guys. glad to see this is like 30-something pages in already lol...

I only read on radish there to clarify

How much of the thread have you read?

about a quarter of it

Might not get to all of the day 1 posts. Amazing amount of posts already tbh, more than I expected even with all these people lol. Sorry if I dont quite catch all of them, but I'll do my best to read as much as I can. And a lot of my reads early on are pretty superficial since there is so much going on, I won't be hard reading this early. Not trying to go too crazy day 1 hehe.

An unnatural number of posts about how they're behind
(Middle one was prompted tho so less bad)

I have a red on radishes kill him

I cc

I town read this

yeah that's actual comedy. I don't see a reason to not town read radish atm

I only read on radish there to clarify

A TMIey Radish read

Particularly the wording of "I don't see a reason not to townread _______"
That's literally not how townreads work and it especially makes no sense when your reason is "this post is funny" and even more so when you obviously haven't read the rest of his posts

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup

hey gamer what's poppin

You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?

laugh and a half, and whether I was or wasn't I'd be saying no either way. seems like a silly question

This overly self-aware response, but could be explained by an MS mentality or something similar

Just all seems pretty wolfy

yes i'm looking at this now

definitely think Porsha could be a wolf

[alexa]

nvm i saw a kinda towny Porsha post around when c4 was contemplating shot

[sabie12]

If alexa and guillo are both town. And alexa shoots guillo and guillo dies and confirms alexa town. Then we have one dead town and alexa role outed that could be souped. Then we have 1 to 2 less town. How would that help us? We've already lost townies to vig shots and it's only day 1 so I'm not seeing how that makes sense. If alexa chooses not to shoot guillo that doesn't tell us anything either because I wouldn't trust that if someone said that to me.

[alexa]

If alexa and guillo are both town. And alexa shoots guillo and guillo dies and confirms alexa town. Then we have one dead town and alexa role outed that could be souped. Then we have 1 to 2 less town. How would that help us? We've already lost townies to vig shots and it's only day 1 so I'm not seeing how that makes sense. If alexa chooses not to shoot guillo that doesn't tell us anything either because I wouldn't trust that if someone said that to me.

if he is fake he has to be some sort of bomb type role that takes me out with him tbh.

i think he is real though. i think maf!Guillo, unless that exact role, doesn't try to sacrifice himself like that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Idgi

[alexa]

[VOTE: GUILLOTINE] aubergine

i can 100% see this so not insulting the vote when i ask, but what are your reasons?

hmmm if guillo is V i kinda don't like this, the wording at least feels very awkward to me

FTR, i think guillo's claim is villagery. but i was getting pinged by some of his pushes/comments in early game and felt he was being performative in a way that i've found sticks out more when he is a wolf. but he is also a performative villager at times, it just felt like he was making a bunch of soft pushes all over the place than a push he believed in.

[alexa]

Idgi

don't get what?

[alexa]

@alexa what players have vocalised suspicion towards you in this game and what players have prominently defended or shielded you?

@Phil and Gloria why do you ask this?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I genuinely don’t understand what’s going on with this dynamic and I’m half a second away from commanding you to just shoot guillo

[NotAnAxehole]

I probably won't be able to check in again on the thread. I have a red check on Alison, I suggest we kill her tomorrow.

I'm not going to go into my reasoning on any of this, I can't play today... So I won't be saying anything more on the matter.

See y'all tomorrow (maybe).

[alexa]

@alexa shoot someone

who do you suggest?

[alexa]

I probably won't be able to check in again on the thread. I have a red check on Alison, I suggest we kill her tomorrow.

I'm not going to go into my reasoning on any of this, I can't play today... So I won't be saying anything more on the matter.

See y'all tomorrow (maybe).

@NotAnAxehole do you hardclaim this?
Because I can kill her right now if so

[nutella]

Here's some food for thought

112 is in wolf range